View Poll Results: EK Guys - would you work a day off?
Sure I would
38
19.19%
Who me? I don't even answer the phone
158
79.80%
I'd work if 4HP asked me to
2
1.01%
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Working a day off in EK
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Irrespective of which airline you work for there are invariably 3 types of pilot crewing have to deal with. The guys who are flexible, the guys in the middle who do the odd favour, and the pilots with zero flexibility within the roster. The last group are ultimately the losers.
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Good for you Dune
Do those who work on days off realise that they are indirectly shooting themseles in the foot. Sure the short term 'bucks' are great however you will not receive a decent salary increase, as there is a supply of pilots working the trips, until there is a "real" shortage in the system.
It's simple economics - demand and supply.
Do those who work on days off realise that they are indirectly shooting themseles in the foot. Sure the short term 'bucks' are great however you will not receive a decent salary increase, as there is a supply of pilots working the trips, until there is a "real" shortage in the system.
It's simple economics - demand and supply.
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Any one remember the guy who put his roster on the board. It had some fairly direct wording on the top of the roster with reference to calling him out on a day off. This was written by crewing to alert the other crewing officers. Cant remember the exact phraseology but it certainly alerted the crewing officers to the reply they would get if they did call him. I believe crewing were given a talking to.
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MC,
I know the guy, and he's a star... wish everyone had the guts he has..
The text said: Do not caal on days off, will not cooperate
As far as I know, this was not put there by rostering, but on his request because he was fed up with the calls on his days off..
Same bloke refused recently to go into discretion on the 201 and walked off the bus.
As for pay out calls, a low cost UK operator had some problems crewing their flights a few years ago, and people were offered 1000 GBP per day working on their days off... At least they recognized that cancelling the flight would cost them a lot more, especially on the long term.
Don't think EK will ever go that way...
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I know the guy, and he's a star... wish everyone had the guts he has..
The text said: Do not caal on days off, will not cooperate
As far as I know, this was not put there by rostering, but on his request because he was fed up with the calls on his days off..
Same bloke refused recently to go into discretion on the 201 and walked off the bus.
As for pay out calls, a low cost UK operator had some problems crewing their flights a few years ago, and people were offered 1000 GBP per day working on their days off... At least they recognized that cancelling the flight would cost them a lot more, especially on the long term.
Don't think EK will ever go that way...
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It wasn't quite GBP1000 for working a day off, in fact crewing (their name for that department, ) couldn't offer anything for a day off and weren't allowed to call you on day off. ( I know as my girlfriend(now wife) was in that department)
The 1000 pounds came up when they misallocated the leave bids and ran out of crew at the end of the leave year and offered to buy back leave at that rate.
P*ss poor planning, p*ss poor performance! Reminds me of EK as well!
PS I believe Virgin pay 500 pounds for a day off callout, with 2 days off in lieu as well
The 1000 pounds came up when they misallocated the leave bids and ran out of crew at the end of the leave year and offered to buy back leave at that rate.
P*ss poor planning, p*ss poor performance! Reminds me of EK as well!
PS I believe Virgin pay 500 pounds for a day off callout, with 2 days off in lieu as well
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Now I’ve heard it all. Virgin Pay 500 for working on an off day.
Statistics are a funny thing. You may think you are enforcing an argument or a position on an argument however just the contrary is being done. That statistic proves the slanted nature of people posting on this site, if it were true then EK would have planes parked all over the place. The fact is they don’t, reason being, as untenable to some…. people DO!!!! Flock to help the company out by working on off days. A fair indication of the true state of things would be to reverse those statistics. IMHO
Statistics are a funny thing. You may think you are enforcing an argument or a position on an argument however just the contrary is being done. That statistic proves the slanted nature of people posting on this site, if it were true then EK would have planes parked all over the place. The fact is they don’t, reason being, as untenable to some…. people DO!!!! Flock to help the company out by working on off days. A fair indication of the true state of things would be to reverse those statistics. IMHO
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Emirates acts to retain pilots
Emirates Today, 28th November, Business Section, Page 15.
Some selected quotes..
"between 15000 and 20000 job applications a month for pilot positions"
"Our pilots do well with regards to the total package"
and my favourite one to read on one of my 7 days off this month..
"thus, there is no shortage"
Some selected quotes..
"between 15000 and 20000 job applications a month for pilot positions"
"Our pilots do well with regards to the total package"
and my favourite one to read on one of my 7 days off this month..
"thus, there is no shortage"
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Emirates Today, 28th November, Business Section, Page 15.
Some selected quotes..
"between 15000 and 20000 job applications a month for pilot positions"
"Our pilots do well with regards to the total package"
and my favourite one to read on one of my 7 days off this month..
"thus, there is no shortage"
Some selected quotes..
"between 15000 and 20000 job applications a month for pilot positions"
"Our pilots do well with regards to the total package"
and my favourite one to read on one of my 7 days off this month..
"thus, there is no shortage"
"...the rescue forces were on the scene within 5 minutes..." and as a bystander you were counting 1 hour before they even found the site.
So, let's translate in Arabic!
"...between 15000 and 20000 applications..." means in: take away two zeroes for realistic ones.
"...our pilots do well with regards to the total package..." means: they know it's falling short but couldn't care less as long as all airplanes fly.
"...thus, there is no shortage..." means: they're ******* short, but as long as idiots fly on days off, they're getting away with it.
But I like the mere fact that it pops up in ET. It sort of prepares the local blindsight for a eventual staying on ground of aircraft: means we, the lazy pilots, are set up for being the scapegoats. However the second scapegoat is also in the pipeline. Brace TCAS and Ed, your wallets will not suffer, but your ego's................
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Extraordinary!, if what TCAS says is true then given that the number of active Airline pilots in the US is around 102,000, in just five weeks the equivalent of the entire Airline pilot population of the US has applied to join Emirates!! I never knew it was such a desirable company!
True, a 10% pay rise was given last year BUT given that underlying inflation in the UAE is conservatively 15-20% then this doesn't look so attractive anymore. Plus we are all working alot harder with the "cost neutral" ( ) changes to the credit system and having to the recurrent groundschool etc in our own time.
A very informative article that doesn't really explain why flights are being grounded due to no flightdeck available to fly them, surely one of the 20,000 would be available?
True, a 10% pay rise was given last year BUT given that underlying inflation in the UAE is conservatively 15-20% then this doesn't look so attractive anymore. Plus we are all working alot harder with the "cost neutral" (
) changes to the credit system and having to the recurrent groundschool etc in our own time.A very informative article that doesn't really explain why flights are being grounded due to no flightdeck available to fly them, surely one of the 20,000 would be available?
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20 000 Applications ???????
Either TCAS was misquoted in yet another outstanding piece of journalism or he is telling porkies. Can't give the direct link to the page but here is the website.
http://www.emiratestodayonline.com/
go to pg 15.
This is just the beginning of a huge media campaign launched to try and bolster the flagging recruitment numbers but I think that by giving a press release to a second rate government mouthpiece TCAS and friends have scored an own goal. If there are 20 000 applications a month why should anyone bother applying? With that many potential candidates terms and conditions can only be eroded further because of all those thousands begging to join.
Word has it that Ed has managed to con a few more of his USA DEC buddies into giving exclusive interviews to US publications to try and regenerate interest. The old "Home boy done good" thing. Look what a pillar of society the last one turned out to be.
http://www.emiratestodayonline.com/
go to pg 15.
This is just the beginning of a huge media campaign launched to try and bolster the flagging recruitment numbers but I think that by giving a press release to a second rate government mouthpiece TCAS and friends have scored an own goal. If there are 20 000 applications a month why should anyone bother applying? With that many potential candidates terms and conditions can only be eroded further because of all those thousands begging to join.
Word has it that Ed has managed to con a few more of his USA DEC buddies into giving exclusive interviews to US publications to try and regenerate interest. The old "Home boy done good" thing. Look what a pillar of society the last one turned out to be.
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The most I ever saw in a week was 200 after Ansett went down the tubes. There was a rumour about Etihad increasing their package to attract personnel but that is a rumour that I have heard every few months since I arrived. Here are the wise man's words:
Emirates has increased the remuneration packages for its pilots by 10 per cent in the past year, according to a senior executive at the airline.
Industry experts say the shortage of talent overall, but especially pilots, in the Middle East is responsible for pushing up wages.
“Generally speaking, there will be a requirement for quite a few pilots over the next few years,” said Captain Alan Stealey, divisional senior vice president of flight operations at Emirates. “The market is becoming tougher for pilots. That is around the fact that there is tremendous expansion, for instance, in the lowcost carriers within Europe, within India and China.
“In the Gulf, there is a massive demand for passenger carriers and thus, the demand for talent is significant.” Commenting on the raise in pilots’ packages, Captain Stealey said: “Rental and education costs in Dubai have gone up. We do provide our captains, for instance, with villas. We look every year at the total package of the airline for the pilot workforce, and then we look at across the industry. Our pilots do well with regards to the total package.” He added that Emirates has an average of 16 to 25 pilots coming through each week and thus, there is “no shortage”.
With the current network of about 1,559 pilots [to fly 94 passenger aircraft], Emirates is looking to recruit about 900 pilots between now and the end of the decade, according to Captain Stealey.
In the fiscal year the airline is in now, Emirates is recruiting 380 pilots.
“It is the biggest ever for the airline because of the size of the delivery. Every aircraft that comes through, on an average, requires between 15 and 20 pilots. This fiscal year we will have recruited and trained 380 pilot,” he said.
Next year, however, Emirates does not have such a large delivery programme for pilots. “It is mainly because of the delay in deliveries of the Airbus A380 aircraft. We are looking at 250 pilots to be recruited next year. That is the rough plan,” explained Captain Stealey.
Furthermore, Emirates claims to receive between 15,000 and 20,000 job applications a month for pilot positions. And with almost “10 per cent” of Emirates’ pilot workforce consisting of UAE nationals, the airline has pilots from more than 76 nationalities, Captain Stealey
Emirates has increased the remuneration packages for its pilots by 10 per cent in the past year, according to a senior executive at the airline.
Industry experts say the shortage of talent overall, but especially pilots, in the Middle East is responsible for pushing up wages.
“Generally speaking, there will be a requirement for quite a few pilots over the next few years,” said Captain Alan Stealey, divisional senior vice president of flight operations at Emirates. “The market is becoming tougher for pilots. That is around the fact that there is tremendous expansion, for instance, in the lowcost carriers within Europe, within India and China.
“In the Gulf, there is a massive demand for passenger carriers and thus, the demand for talent is significant.” Commenting on the raise in pilots’ packages, Captain Stealey said: “Rental and education costs in Dubai have gone up. We do provide our captains, for instance, with villas. We look every year at the total package of the airline for the pilot workforce, and then we look at across the industry. Our pilots do well with regards to the total package.” He added that Emirates has an average of 16 to 25 pilots coming through each week and thus, there is “no shortage”.
With the current network of about 1,559 pilots [to fly 94 passenger aircraft], Emirates is looking to recruit about 900 pilots between now and the end of the decade, according to Captain Stealey.
In the fiscal year the airline is in now, Emirates is recruiting 380 pilots.
“It is the biggest ever for the airline because of the size of the delivery. Every aircraft that comes through, on an average, requires between 15 and 20 pilots. This fiscal year we will have recruited and trained 380 pilot,” he said.
Next year, however, Emirates does not have such a large delivery programme for pilots. “It is mainly because of the delay in deliveries of the Airbus A380 aircraft. We are looking at 250 pilots to be recruited next year. That is the rough plan,” explained Captain Stealey.
Furthermore, Emirates claims to receive between 15,000 and 20,000 job applications a month for pilot positions. And with almost “10 per cent” of Emirates’ pilot workforce consisting of UAE nationals, the airline has pilots from more than 76 nationalities, Captain Stealey
Ignoranus: A person who is both stupid and an @sshole.
I am sorry but whenever I hear mention of TCAS or Long Range Ed (Keep that extra fuel for NBO guys!), this word keeps coming into my head.
Don
I am sorry but whenever I hear mention of TCAS or Long Range Ed (Keep that extra fuel for NBO guys!), this word keeps coming into my head.
Don
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Think I know where the number of applicants might be coming from. Probably guys like me with no jet time. Plenty of guys out of school with their heads in the clouds hoping to get in on a ab-initio. Guys with Turbine time hoping to get in with lower requirments. With all the stories going round that Emmirates is desperate for crew and everyone is leaving you can't help but think that some guys are sending in cv's hoping to get on file before the rush starts when the requirments drop.
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Somebody could inform 7days about the real situation for EK pilots. Maybe nobody knows how hardly we are working........................
Could be interesting to see the reactions.....................................
Could be interesting to see the reactions.....................................
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Good idea FlareFlyer, and after 7 Days have done their bit perhaps Flight International might like to redress the balance with a half page article. That way the truth might be heard a little further afield..........
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But what kind of pilots. I know someone who went there after failing numerous upgrades to captain and on new aircraft and having several incidents. One of the guys who did sim with him said he couldn't fly out of a wet paper bag. Are they checking peoples backgrounds or do they not care?