UAE FIR RVSM...shall we say... ISSUES!!
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Jors,
I'll do my best, bro!
ANSA
If safety is your prime consideration in this matter, then you'd better start picking on a whole raft of other issues, not the least of which is RT discipline. When a crew doesn't pay attention like they should do, are you going to implement a system of dropping them as well? RT problems, I would suggest, are much more of a problem then missing FPLs but you don't punish in the same way. How about a lack of English? Anyone who doesn't speak it as a first language gets canned? See where you can go with this?
WHY JUST RVSM???????????????
Sigh! I think I'm outta here as well
I'll do my best, bro!
ANSA
If safety is your prime consideration in this matter, then you'd better start picking on a whole raft of other issues, not the least of which is RT discipline. When a crew doesn't pay attention like they should do, are you going to implement a system of dropping them as well? RT problems, I would suggest, are much more of a problem then missing FPLs but you don't punish in the same way. How about a lack of English? Anyone who doesn't speak it as a first language gets canned? See where you can go with this?
WHY JUST RVSM???????????????
Sigh! I think I'm outta here as well
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ATCO1962
Wrong answer. The first fpl is correct unless a correct version or cancellation is sent, that is why we received duff info from MS the other night. We were given an overflight when the tfc was landing DB - well done and thanks.
traffic off course by 160nm is NOT an RNP problem. What action did you take against this incident, my guess nothing. We have in the past grounded aircraft for not being able to follow instruction due to poor english - what are you doing about it? Our supervisors work there butts off filling in forms in an attempt to ensure some level of compliance in the industry and region. Our neighbours fiddle while rome burns. If each fir in this region would follow the uae example it would take no time for levels of compliance and discipline to improve. In fact, if they had been doing this from the onset the uae would not have to go to extreme methods to achieve a goal every one desires.
JT
Where do you draw the line between service provision and safety. You sound like an old school atco, doesn't matter how they get there as long as they get there, right??
The provision of safety is the primary objective in our industry, surely by trying to ensure some level of compliance by operators and other atc providers is a long term benefit?
Imagine going to work and all fpls are filed and are correct, our workload would be drastically reduced and maybe we get get on with working the traffic and not the problems.
Wrong answer. The first fpl is correct unless a correct version or cancellation is sent, that is why we received duff info from MS the other night. We were given an overflight when the tfc was landing DB - well done and thanks.
traffic off course by 160nm is NOT an RNP problem. What action did you take against this incident, my guess nothing. We have in the past grounded aircraft for not being able to follow instruction due to poor english - what are you doing about it? Our supervisors work there butts off filling in forms in an attempt to ensure some level of compliance in the industry and region. Our neighbours fiddle while rome burns. If each fir in this region would follow the uae example it would take no time for levels of compliance and discipline to improve. In fact, if they had been doing this from the onset the uae would not have to go to extreme methods to achieve a goal every one desires.
JT
Where do you draw the line between service provision and safety. You sound like an old school atco, doesn't matter how they get there as long as they get there, right??
The provision of safety is the primary objective in our industry, surely by trying to ensure some level of compliance by operators and other atc providers is a long term benefit?
Imagine going to work and all fpls are filed and are correct, our workload would be drastically reduced and maybe we get get on with working the traffic and not the problems.
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ATCO1962,
i like your attitude. you come accross as highly motivated and professional.
but i think you are waisting your time with the guys from UAE.
i sympathise with them that it is their management that forces them to do what they do. it is surely the controllers duty to approach their management and "educate" them about the problems they are facing.
rather than doing the right thing they dont want to admit they have a problem. how do you expect this problem to go away ?
i like your attitude. you come accross as highly motivated and professional.
but i think you are waisting your time with the guys from UAE.
i sympathise with them that it is their management that forces them to do what they do. it is surely the controllers duty to approach their management and "educate" them about the problems they are facing.
rather than doing the right thing they dont want to admit they have a problem. how do you expect this problem to go away ?
