Dubai: "The City that Cares"
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My Actual Figures are:
1> Rent 75k
2> No Kids School ('cause I've got no kids)
3> Petrol 5k (2 cars >5 litres ea)
4> Car Loan 30k
5> Utilities 9k
6> Medical/Dental 0 (employer provided)
7> Club Membersip 0 (ok, I'm a boring fart - but I get one club membership free)
8> Maid 5k (part time)
9> Sat TV (0)
10> Internet 3k
11> Basic Home Food 25k
12> Other 25k (occasional nights out, MMI, etc etc)
Total 177 = US$48.4k
It looks cheaper than many estimates here, but it has to be.....
1> Rent 75k
2> No Kids School ('cause I've got no kids)
3> Petrol 5k (2 cars >5 litres ea)
4> Car Loan 30k
5> Utilities 9k
6> Medical/Dental 0 (employer provided)
7> Club Membersip 0 (ok, I'm a boring fart - but I get one club membership free)
8> Maid 5k (part time)
9> Sat TV (0)
10> Internet 3k
11> Basic Home Food 25k
12> Other 25k (occasional nights out, MMI, etc etc)
Total 177 = US$48.4k
It looks cheaper than many estimates here, but it has to be.....
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My will
Being still sound of mind and not so of body I hereby legate the followwing:
20 years spent in the UAE for nothing, shawarmas were 1 a piece now converge around 5 see 10.
To Dubai, you look nice and modern but hey where is the city center, where is life? And what are you all about, people running faster by the day after the same coin, knowing only one will get it and ending up borrowing to pretend that they have it.
The legacy of wanting to be a modern day city with an economy akin to the US where on average only 2 1/2 % of citizens have any savings in the banks and everyone is living off a mortgage.
A local community with no character no history and no traditions that can reflect any culture. Sorry but show me a local and ask him who he is? Few if any know where their family originated. Now add to that the pommy comedian like the trutches of this world and you have a circus, and that is what dubai is.
School fees not far off from the marks of IVY league institutions, childrens tuitions fees near 30000 dhs a year....and for what?
Cars, insurance, radar tickets, a wave to a friend costs 200 dhs, shaking someone's hand is 500.
Companies that do not pay wages, bills, salaries, coolies working under the sun at midday without a break for 12 hours, all in the name of modernism.....? Ah all this suffering and no one budges yet we live with it. Jumeirah Jains and Janes where are those bottles of water that you promised? Or has the task gotten too big for you, or was it just another media prank thought off while you were at the shade of your RRover A/C full on at the intersection of wasl and Def R/A eyes darting under your cool shades (gucci or prada)
Dubai everywhere on TV, adverts in major press and media, the bburj everyone on a visit wants to see and take pictures of?
The hookers on sheikh Z road, oh yes Dubai!
So where is the lodge? Where is everyone, Stan and the lot, the smiley faces of the ski club and intercont pub, now that was dubai and then even the cost of a pint didn't matter because we enjoyed it!
I leave to Dubai and everyone there the cold in the heat, the natureless character of the expact, the CID everywhere in your life like sand after a visit to the desert, the heads without faces the lack of personality of the airline crew, the indians running the show, the arabs pissed off, the english who rule, the OZs and their drawl mate! the Africaners who have all of a sudden become civilised and talk like nazis of the holocaust of apppartheid as though it was not theirs. I leave everything and I am happy.
I am home, got a job and still have the t-shirt, all I miss is something Dubai does not offer anymore, comfort and peace and I have that here in good old Manchester!
20 years spent in the UAE for nothing, shawarmas were 1 a piece now converge around 5 see 10.
To Dubai, you look nice and modern but hey where is the city center, where is life? And what are you all about, people running faster by the day after the same coin, knowing only one will get it and ending up borrowing to pretend that they have it.
The legacy of wanting to be a modern day city with an economy akin to the US where on average only 2 1/2 % of citizens have any savings in the banks and everyone is living off a mortgage.
A local community with no character no history and no traditions that can reflect any culture. Sorry but show me a local and ask him who he is? Few if any know where their family originated. Now add to that the pommy comedian like the trutches of this world and you have a circus, and that is what dubai is.
School fees not far off from the marks of IVY league institutions, childrens tuitions fees near 30000 dhs a year....and for what?
Cars, insurance, radar tickets, a wave to a friend costs 200 dhs, shaking someone's hand is 500.
Companies that do not pay wages, bills, salaries, coolies working under the sun at midday without a break for 12 hours, all in the name of modernism.....? Ah all this suffering and no one budges yet we live with it. Jumeirah Jains and Janes where are those bottles of water that you promised? Or has the task gotten too big for you, or was it just another media prank thought off while you were at the shade of your RRover A/C full on at the intersection of wasl and Def R/A eyes darting under your cool shades (gucci or prada)
Dubai everywhere on TV, adverts in major press and media, the bburj everyone on a visit wants to see and take pictures of?
The hookers on sheikh Z road, oh yes Dubai!
So where is the lodge? Where is everyone, Stan and the lot, the smiley faces of the ski club and intercont pub, now that was dubai and then even the cost of a pint didn't matter because we enjoyed it!
I leave to Dubai and everyone there the cold in the heat, the natureless character of the expact, the CID everywhere in your life like sand after a visit to the desert, the heads without faces the lack of personality of the airline crew, the indians running the show, the arabs pissed off, the english who rule, the OZs and their drawl mate! the Africaners who have all of a sudden become civilised and talk like nazis of the holocaust of apppartheid as though it was not theirs. I leave everything and I am happy.
I am home, got a job and still have the t-shirt, all I miss is something Dubai does not offer anymore, comfort and peace and I have that here in good old Manchester!
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Gee Trashed Aviator, I feel so bad for you now.....nobody likes you! But since you can write I assume you can read, and my contract clearly spelled out the salary details. You could alway leave..it only a phone call away!
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Good luck to you Trashy, hope things work out better in civilisation.
Payscale, you do talk cr*p. My contract has been so abused so often, I am thinking of trying to sue Jacko
If you think managements responsibilities end with what is written on our ephemeral contracts, then you are as deluded as only a very deluded person could be.
Payscale, you do talk cr*p. My contract has been so abused so often, I am thinking of trying to sue Jacko
If you think managements responsibilities end with what is written on our ephemeral contracts, then you are as deluded as only a very deluded person could be.
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Interesting thread. This is Pprune at its best. What better use to it than to compare incomes/expenses/lifestyles from those in our trade around the world?
Generally speaking, the more attractive (for whatever reason) a place is, the more expensive it tends to be. It is no surprise that prices in DXB have skyrocketed (and will probably continue to do so). This is indicative of its powerful allure to many people.
While salaries may not have matched the real inflation (they seldom do), this is only a reflection of Dubai's maturity as a place of residence. It is obvious that the highest income/expense differentials tend to be in the least developed locales, if you're willing to put up with the discomfort. There's no free lunch.
(Most) pilots still enjoy their profession, and that is a (no small)reward in itself. The degree of satisfaction with your campany, aircraft, routes, roster etc should also be brought into the equation.
Just as a comparison: I'm based in PMI, which is nice, but not cheap. My (two people) expenses in 2004 were to the tune of
€ 78000 = U$ 94000 (discounting car and mortgage).
Happy ldgs.
Generally speaking, the more attractive (for whatever reason) a place is, the more expensive it tends to be. It is no surprise that prices in DXB have skyrocketed (and will probably continue to do so). This is indicative of its powerful allure to many people.
While salaries may not have matched the real inflation (they seldom do), this is only a reflection of Dubai's maturity as a place of residence. It is obvious that the highest income/expense differentials tend to be in the least developed locales, if you're willing to put up with the discomfort. There's no free lunch.
(Most) pilots still enjoy their profession, and that is a (no small)reward in itself. The degree of satisfaction with your campany, aircraft, routes, roster etc should also be brought into the equation.
Just as a comparison: I'm based in PMI, which is nice, but not cheap. My (two people) expenses in 2004 were to the tune of
€ 78000 = U$ 94000 (discounting car and mortgage).
Happy ldgs.
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Well ruserious, good luck to you if you are sueing them. Dont expect to stay for long.
When I signed my contract I knew is was not worth the paper it was written on, but hey, I could always leave. So can you. Not much else you can do actually.
Agree or not with management. Doesnt really matter, since there is zero communication. If you have a complaint you will be stopped at the door by a stubbord secretary from the subcontinent, that feels its her airline... So what is it worth? It is what you make of it....
Best thing is not having to live in their building. After work I go home and dont see EK before the next flight. Gives a nice distance, so that I can smile next time I jet off.
So, dude, chill out, dont judge me, fly you roster, collect you money and I am sure you will see it from a brighter side.......if not....you can always leave..
When I signed my contract I knew is was not worth the paper it was written on, but hey, I could always leave. So can you. Not much else you can do actually.
Agree or not with management. Doesnt really matter, since there is zero communication. If you have a complaint you will be stopped at the door by a stubbord secretary from the subcontinent, that feels its her airline... So what is it worth? It is what you make of it....
Best thing is not having to live in their building. After work I go home and dont see EK before the next flight. Gives a nice distance, so that I can smile next time I jet off.
So, dude, chill out, dont judge me, fly you roster, collect you money and I am sure you will see it from a brighter side.......if not....you can always leave..
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KunnDize;
Let s see how you feel after 5 years and start another post, not bitter, just better.
Indians here are different and since they are truly part of the scene they do not behave like the majority do in Dubai.
Ta.
Let s see how you feel after 5 years and start another post, not bitter, just better.
Indians here are different and since they are truly part of the scene they do not behave like the majority do in Dubai.
Ta.
Did I read correctly in todays paper that all cars built before 2000.ie more than 5 years old will not be able to be registered in Dubai ????or other GCC states......seems a bit extreme.....
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Expensive
Having had the pleasure of flying with HH a few years ago, he made it clear in the flight deck on the way back from one of his European journeys that Dubai will make its money from the expacts currently accomoddated there and the ones to join.
So its no surprise to me that all these matters are being discussed now. It's like a trap that has just closed up. For those with families it si not about the sticker price anymore, but rather more about the convenience of having to move again, finding schools etc....
And ...... its not going to get cheaper!!!
So its no surprise to me that all these matters are being discussed now. It's like a trap that has just closed up. For those with families it si not about the sticker price anymore, but rather more about the convenience of having to move again, finding schools etc....
And ...... its not going to get cheaper!!!
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Saw the "older" car deal too, what a place! But what really amused me was the "Stewardess" who lives in Dubai and works for a major airline who became pregnant "out of wedlock" and faces a 6 month jail term unless she can prove she is married to an employee of the same airline...but why does she face jail and not the "father?"
Same story again ladies and gents...try not to dip your pen in the company ink, it usually spills and causes trouble. By the way can anyone tell me which century we live in?
Same story again ladies and gents...try not to dip your pen in the company ink, it usually spills and causes trouble. By the way can anyone tell me which century we live in?
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According to the top right corner of today's Gulf News front page the year, (in local terms anyway), is 1426. That would appear appropriate.
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If what I hear is correct the stewardess concerned collapsted on an outbound flight. Since we know what the attitude of the authorities is towards this, why did the girl come back, and was she advised what might happen?
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Doesn't Dubai beak off about being 'The City that Cares'. So why would she expect to get imprisoned for being pregnant, upon her return. I just hope Amnesty gets ahold of this one.