Standby for the exodus from Gulf Air!!!
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No...the sayings are...F/o...Do you know what they just did to me?
Captain.....If you do not like it leave.... Shut up or ship out.... I just did my CRM course.... How am I doing?
Captain.....If you do not like it leave.... Shut up or ship out.... I just did my CRM course.... How am I doing?
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Training Captains leaving Gulf Air?
With the simulators being re-located to Bahrain from Doha and Training Captains no longer required to spend time away from base nicely collecting the duty pay, we stand to loose around BD300 per month!! GF at the moment have not offered any incentive for Captains to continue in their training role. Consequently many are threatening to quit and even walk away from the job!
As gfboy mentioned earlier, perhaps the exodus from Gulf Air is even worse than was first imagined, F/O's leaving and now Training Captains leaving.
One wonders what the future holds for the golden falcon in the gulf??
As gfboy mentioned earlier, perhaps the exodus from Gulf Air is even worse than was first imagined, F/O's leaving and now Training Captains leaving.
One wonders what the future holds for the golden falcon in the gulf??
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They're looking for a HOFO for very similar reasons they are continually on the look out for new pilots....
They have a chronic problem of maintaining their staff levels the way they should be.... from the newest FO or Cadet to the mid and upper levels of management; GF are continually looking for staff.
"people come and people go.... "
I'm sure that saying must have originated somewhere in the halls of the GF extablishment!
They have a chronic problem of maintaining their staff levels the way they should be.... from the newest FO or Cadet to the mid and upper levels of management; GF are continually looking for staff.
"people come and people go.... "
I'm sure that saying must have originated somewhere in the halls of the GF extablishment!
Do they only have locals? Are the expats they hire happy?
The only airline I have seen advertise is QR and they did walk interviews in SYD but were offering rubbish so no one (i know of) took up the offer as there is more money at MAS without the ME BS...
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resignation after resignation in gf :ugh:
Men it looks like GF PILOTS dont stop giving their resignation letter .
Bad time for the operation office where 3 pilots at least gave up their job last week
GF DOESNT HAVE THE STRUCTURE OF EMIRATES and few more pilots are going to abandon their job soon...
Whats the future for our airline ?How long can the management keep smiling?
Bad time for the operation office where 3 pilots at least gave up their job last week
GF DOESNT HAVE THE STRUCTURE OF EMIRATES and few more pilots are going to abandon their job soon...
Whats the future for our airline ?How long can the management keep smiling?
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I feel bad to see that everyone is looking for job and leaving also, well I am included just waiting for my time to be over before the end of 2007 I will be gone.
What bothers me is I only know gulf air for a few years and during my employment with the company I cared for it and protect it as much as I can. Seeing some locals not caring as much as I do for their national carrier is sad.
I like most of the people working for the company and I enjoyed my time, but the circumstances forced me to resign, I hope things get better, because company is a good place to work for and Bahrain and the people of bahrain are one of the friendliest I know. Good luck for the people who stay.
What bothers me is I only know gulf air for a few years and during my employment with the company I cared for it and protect it as much as I can. Seeing some locals not caring as much as I do for their national carrier is sad.
I like most of the people working for the company and I enjoyed my time, but the circumstances forced me to resign, I hope things get better, because company is a good place to work for and Bahrain and the people of bahrain are one of the friendliest I know. Good luck for the people who stay.
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I have been here for 2 years almost and I feel the same. Bahrain is Bahrain, it is not Sydney, London or Paris but offers an 'OK' environment to live for few years. And I understand why some of my colleagues are leaving:
- the 767 crews have been treated like ****, and their management doesn't give a **** either. So that's why so many of them left GF in the last months...How many of them are now flying in Dubai... I am not surprised.
- about our 'package':
* our package is maybe an industry average, but think about that: GF doesn't have a pension scheme for expats, which is for me a problem. It will stop me to stay on a long-term basis with GF. EK for example does give 12% of your basic salary (12% of 20000AED (joining FO approx salary)=200BD approx) EVERY month into a pension scheme. You can claim it fully after 7 years... after 7 years that's a 2400BD X 7 = 17000BD approx without interest... And this is without your contribution. I am not saying this is the best scheme ever, but at least IT EXISTS! And this is on top of a basic salary already higher than ours and reviewed yearly (steps...) + decent housing.
* All of us know about the Housing Situation... 350BD max housing allowance per month when a decent home in a decent place for your family cost at least the double. Gulf Air if you dont want to increase this allowance then please provide us with YOUR decent accomodation (as per our working contracts), Families should get houses and singles apartment.
* Medical Claims: Since July none of my claims have been reimbursed... Who is to blame ? The easy system I guess, not so EASY ! nobody informed us, trained us or anything, again bad planning... Of course I emailed my 'hierarchy' many times about this and I GOT NO REPLY - management why are you here if it is not to help us with this kind of issues?
- Staff Travel / Ground Staff @ BAH Airport: We are treated again like ****, with no respect to our Terms & Conditions. GF you owe us these ID90s and ID50s (as per our working contracts) for my family and myself. It seems that you are aware of the problems with these departments, so I am waiting for serious actions here.
-PCE ? Yes we need one, believe it or not. A plane needs a captain and a company a Boss. Hopefully we will get a good one. And please don't tell me GF is loosing money because of oil prices ! It doesn't hold anymore:
Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil's descent to $50 a barrel (...) for the first time in more than two years, based on historical price moves.
'your employees are your bigger asset so don't waste it!'
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- the 767 crews have been treated like ****, and their management doesn't give a **** either. So that's why so many of them left GF in the last months...How many of them are now flying in Dubai... I am not surprised.
- about our 'package':
* our package is maybe an industry average, but think about that: GF doesn't have a pension scheme for expats, which is for me a problem. It will stop me to stay on a long-term basis with GF. EK for example does give 12% of your basic salary (12% of 20000AED (joining FO approx salary)=200BD approx) EVERY month into a pension scheme. You can claim it fully after 7 years... after 7 years that's a 2400BD X 7 = 17000BD approx without interest... And this is without your contribution. I am not saying this is the best scheme ever, but at least IT EXISTS! And this is on top of a basic salary already higher than ours and reviewed yearly (steps...) + decent housing.
* All of us know about the Housing Situation... 350BD max housing allowance per month when a decent home in a decent place for your family cost at least the double. Gulf Air if you dont want to increase this allowance then please provide us with YOUR decent accomodation (as per our working contracts), Families should get houses and singles apartment.
* Medical Claims: Since July none of my claims have been reimbursed... Who is to blame ? The easy system I guess, not so EASY ! nobody informed us, trained us or anything, again bad planning... Of course I emailed my 'hierarchy' many times about this and I GOT NO REPLY - management why are you here if it is not to help us with this kind of issues?
- Staff Travel / Ground Staff @ BAH Airport: We are treated again like ****, with no respect to our Terms & Conditions. GF you owe us these ID90s and ID50s (as per our working contracts) for my family and myself. It seems that you are aware of the problems with these departments, so I am waiting for serious actions here.
-PCE ? Yes we need one, believe it or not. A plane needs a captain and a company a Boss. Hopefully we will get a good one. And please don't tell me GF is loosing money because of oil prices ! It doesn't hold anymore:
Jan. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil's descent to $50 a barrel (...) for the first time in more than two years, based on historical price moves.
'your employees are your bigger asset so don't waste it!'
BD
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Why leave
A major factor that Pilots are leaving GF are the housing allowance and the management knows the situation and doesnt do anything about it.
An average of 2300 BD a year you have to fork out of your own pocket if you are single & renting a 500 BD flat wich is the cheapest deasent bedroom in town.
There are some new joiners that refused to get out of the hotel when they joined and threatened to resign and guess what...they where asigned to a brand new modern flat with only paying the housing allowanse 311 BD.
What sort of segregation is this.
For F...s ake get down to the problem and do something NOW.
An average of 2300 BD a year you have to fork out of your own pocket if you are single & renting a 500 BD flat wich is the cheapest deasent bedroom in town.
There are some new joiners that refused to get out of the hotel when they joined and threatened to resign and guess what...they where asigned to a brand new modern flat with only paying the housing allowanse 311 BD.
What sort of segregation is this.
For F...s ake get down to the problem and do something NOW.
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What's the problem? Soon you'll get Andre Dose as new CEO. He easily managed to run down the start-up SWISS with 1.4 billionUS as starter, in only 1 1/2 years. Soon your suffering will be over, either BAH will have a lot less traffic, or GF will be sold to another company, merely to get rid of a local competitor and to take over the traffic from BAH. Housing will be the least problem. But i hear EK and EY are desperate for jockeys......
Good luck
Good luck
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But we still can give GF the credit, for giving P1 Type Rating after being there for 2yrs and then you will stand a better chance of getting a better oppturnity some where else. Is there another airline that presents you with this kind of offer?
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WOW Reach, How' s that?
I've been with the company for 3 years now and no way someone with a similar seniority can get command in the following 3 years at least, since 80+ local guys ahead waiting for their turn !!!
How did you do that ???
Guys are leaving because of very limited career prospectives and someone once mentioned an "easy" lifestyle; well, its not an "easy" but an extremely lazy lifestyle over here and that is not to everybody's taste.
Working for GF itself has really no major pitfalls, the salary is on the higher side of the industry average, no airline is giving you 50 days annual leave nowadays, and even if the staff travel department needs a serious overhaul, you can still get as much reduced rate tickets as you want, something you will not necessarily find with other airlines, you only need to be patient, very very patient.
Soft Altitude, Out.
I've been with the company for 3 years now and no way someone with a similar seniority can get command in the following 3 years at least, since 80+ local guys ahead waiting for their turn !!! How did you do that ???
Guys are leaving because of very limited career prospectives and someone once mentioned an "easy" lifestyle; well, its not an "easy" but an extremely lazy lifestyle over here and that is not to everybody's taste.
Working for GF itself has really no major pitfalls, the salary is on the higher side of the industry average, no airline is giving you 50 days annual leave nowadays, and even if the staff travel department needs a serious overhaul, you can still get as much reduced rate tickets as you want, something you will not necessarily find with other airlines, you only need to be patient, very very patient.
Soft Altitude, Out.
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Going down the drain.
Seems like the exodus barely started. Most of you guys on the B767 will be on the go once the first 2 B767s are returned to the lessors in the coming months (-GS & -GT me thinks), obviously no carreer prospect on this fleet. Feel bad for you guys!
Very true that EK and EY looking for jockeys, for GF Boeing fellas, EK will definitely be waiting for you guys with arms wide open.
Airbus bonded gents will also be leaving as soon as all of them have consulted with the bahraini lawyer who is advising about the 1-year bond limit, according to bahraini law.
Interesting weeks to come. Interesting job for the new PCE, if we ever get one.
Best of luck for all of us.
Very true that EK and EY looking for jockeys, for GF Boeing fellas, EK will definitely be waiting for you guys with arms wide open.
Airbus bonded gents will also be leaving as soon as all of them have consulted with the bahraini lawyer who is advising about the 1-year bond limit, according to bahraini law.
Interesting weeks to come. Interesting job for the new PCE, if we ever get one.
Best of luck for all of us.
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Boeing driverx dont know where you get the idea that the 767 fleet are being treated any differently than any other fleet...most who left did so because of schooling/housing issues..the same issues faced by other fleets...others were established in the UAE following GT and were not willing to start over again in BAH, they found it easier to remain in the UAE...yes it wil be interesting to see what happens if and when the fleet is downsized GF in the pas have always accomodated crews on other fleets..wait and see...
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They are downsizing the 67 fleet?? True or rumour??? If they do they can certainly use the guys on the airbus fleet since I know at least 8 guys who are leaving as soon as someone calls them.
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WOW Reach, How' s that? I've been with the company for 3 years now and no way someone with a similar seniority can get command in the following 3 years at least, since 80+ local guys ahead waiting for their turn !!!
How did you do that ???
Guys are leaving because of very limited career prospectives and someone once mentioned an "easy" lifestyle; well, its not an "easy" but an extremely lazy lifestyle over here and that is not to everybody's taste.
Working for GF itself has really no major pitfalls, the salary is on the higher side of the industry average, no airline is giving you 50 days annual leave nowadays, and even if the staff travel department needs a serious overhaul, you can still get as much reduced rate tickets as you want, something you will not necessarily find with other airlines, you only need to be patient, very very patient.
Soft Altitude, Out.
I've been with the company for 3 years now and no way someone with a similar seniority can get command in the following 3 years at least, since 80+ local guys ahead waiting for their turn !!! How did you do that ???
Guys are leaving because of very limited career prospectives and someone once mentioned an "easy" lifestyle; well, its not an "easy" but an extremely lazy lifestyle over here and that is not to everybody's taste.
Working for GF itself has really no major pitfalls, the salary is on the higher side of the industry average, no airline is giving you 50 days annual leave nowadays, and even if the staff travel department needs a serious overhaul, you can still get as much reduced rate tickets as you want, something you will not necessarily find with other airlines, you only need to be patient, very very patient.
Soft Altitude, Out.
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This has been hashed out before Reach....they were AUH base, and when their seniority number came up they got the command...the other more senior FO's (way more senior!) didnt have the hour requirements so the others went up...as mentioned before, the AUH base was "split" senioritywise from "mainline" at the time, so it was not permitted that senior f.o.'s from the airbus fleets transfer to AUH for their commands...not sure what the thinking behind that was, as many of the DEC's hired to fill those slots have left the company, but that was the policy..water under the bridge.....as the lists remerged Jan 2006, the senior f.o.'s are now in the pipeline, most have completed their initial line check..some have completed the trng if you think the policy is unfair, well all I can say is go to EK, EY, or QR..they have a documented policy of hiring DEC's regardless of the qualifications of the f.o.'s waiting and ready...what to do??? have a nice day
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Well, I am sorry Ib if i offended your pals ,but i still think it's not fair to upgrade someone whom i am sure will be leaving after getting the required hrs and bypassing guys that will serve the company for a longer period.The accuracy of your info was 50% right cause that's what you think.The whole thing was fabricated.....Have a nice day