2 new DEC on EK 777
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Can anyone else confirm if this is fact?
There again even if it is the EK pilot community will, as ever, do absolutely nothing about it. Sorry to be cynical, but after 8 years you learn to know the score.
Nice of the management to keep us updated though!!
There again even if it is the EK pilot community will, as ever, do absolutely nothing about it. Sorry to be cynical, but after 8 years you learn to know the score.
Nice of the management to keep us updated though!!
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EK said 4 years ago that they will hire DEC's and it was all over the internet.
Don't tell me you didn't do a little market research before you joined.
By the way it was also on pprune that time to command will increase to 5-7 or even longer unless EK buys 300 aircraft.
It sounds like buying cheap land next to an airport and then complaining about the noise.
Don't tell me you didn't do a little market research before you joined.
By the way it was also on pprune that time to command will increase to 5-7 or even longer unless EK buys 300 aircraft.
It sounds like buying cheap land next to an airport and then complaining about the noise.
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Zomp don't try to sugar coat the situation. Fugazi is here 8 yrs and the new DECs will probably be paid more than him and have less experience than the FOs currently flying the 777. Just because it was over pprune 4 yrs ago that EK would stoop to that level does not make it right or even true but negates the fact about Fugazi and many many others who came to EK before the airline started going downhill and fast. When I interviewed EK said nothing about hiring DECs and told us it would be 3 yrs to command. I guess you and the mangers will "blame" the hard working FOs for not seeing this coming or that we should have known this was coming but the fact remains that it is beyond wrong and you know it. Just because someone verbalizes it does not make it right. BOHICA! Keep Discovering!
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Rain,
how long are you here than?
We warned all the wannabes but you didn't listen.
For the last 3 years there are only negative posts on the net and everybody knew that EK is going down the drain very fast.
Don't tell me you belive what an EK recruiter told you, because then you should hand in your medical right now.
how long are you here than?
We warned all the wannabes but you didn't listen.
For the last 3 years there are only negative posts on the net and everybody knew that EK is going down the drain very fast.
Don't tell me you belive what an EK recruiter told you, because then you should hand in your medical right now.
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Sad fact is they are gonna take whoever they can get to fly the aircraft at the moment. Scheduling admit that they are big time short of crews and once the rostering system has crunched the numbers cover open flights using the reserve guys. Some days reserve cover is zip.
Added to that they then fill the rosters of the guys that have exceeded their block hours by manually inserting ground duties. That will explain why our rosters are getting screwed about so much. When the manual insertions are done they look for a nice block of days off and stick it in the middle to even it out in a nice eye pleasing fashion. The 'manual inserters' do not have any idea of our bid preferences and probably wouldn't care anyway.
Cerberus
Added to that they then fill the rosters of the guys that have exceeded their block hours by manually inserting ground duties. That will explain why our rosters are getting screwed about so much. When the manual insertions are done they look for a nice block of days off and stick it in the middle to even it out in a nice eye pleasing fashion. The 'manual inserters' do not have any idea of our bid preferences and probably wouldn't care anyway.
Cerberus
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Hey Trashed.
Don't think Ey or Qr the go mate.
Reasons......
1. Qr will sack you if you don't wear your hat.
2. Ey CCQ 330/340 AED 74,000. CCQ 330/380.......wait for it...AED 294,000
3. Upgrade AED 220,000...
Hmmmm !!!!! Me zinc zey have you by mine shvuntz over there.
Don't know???? Pay out EK bond and enter into another sandpit?
Stay tuned bud. Things will happen soon.
Have a good break
Don't think Ey or Qr the go mate.
Reasons......
1. Qr will sack you if you don't wear your hat.
2. Ey CCQ 330/340 AED 74,000. CCQ 330/380.......wait for it...AED 294,000
3. Upgrade AED 220,000...
Hmmmm !!!!! Me zinc zey have you by mine shvuntz over there.
Don't know???? Pay out EK bond and enter into another sandpit?
Stay tuned bud. Things will happen soon.
Have a good break
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Yup, that is. They'll bond you for everything there. And BTW same DEC problem there with the difference that they offered SWR FO's with the rating positions as Captain, overtaking every FO serving there already.
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Hi guys, sorry to hear of your being s*** on and from a great height it seems. I was in the same position years ago with another company.
The only thing you can do is to leave as quickly as possible and take as many as possible with you. Vote with your feet, otherwise you will continue to be treated like rubbish. Unfortunaly pilots being pilots, will never stick together.
I know it is easier said than done in most cases as you probably have family there and loans to pay back etc., back home. However believe me when I say this, to keep your dignity intact, go. That is the only language these people will ever understand.
Things are beginning to move in the job market now, so make a command decision and get the hell out.
The only thing you can do is to leave as quickly as possible and take as many as possible with you. Vote with your feet, otherwise you will continue to be treated like rubbish. Unfortunaly pilots being pilots, will never stick together.
I know it is easier said than done in most cases as you probably have family there and loans to pay back etc., back home. However believe me when I say this, to keep your dignity intact, go. That is the only language these people will ever understand.
Things are beginning to move in the job market now, so make a command decision and get the hell out.
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Well said by everybody on this board! Now if we can only work together to achieve our goals. Either no more DECs or for the qualified FOs to move on to better companies. If we achive both EK might be a modearately decent place to work but that is a long way off. Lets stick together as a group and that includes everybody.
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Zomp,
What the he11 do you know about me! Your views are most disturbing to this airline. Are you defending the DEC decision? If so that is a pretty good reason why this airline is going downhill. So you want more DECs to come so one FO can't get an upgrade? If that is the logic you don't belong at any airline. And by the way what 3rd world airliine did you come from? Lets stick together and win!
What the he11 do you know about me! Your views are most disturbing to this airline. Are you defending the DEC decision? If so that is a pretty good reason why this airline is going downhill. So you want more DECs to come so one FO can't get an upgrade? If that is the logic you don't belong at any airline. And by the way what 3rd world airliine did you come from? Lets stick together and win!
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Zomp,
"So we can all feel save"????? What the heck does that mean?
Yes, i realize what you intended, but in your venomous and ridiculous attack on LHR, you should try to appear at least moderately intelligent.
I have read a few of your posts, and your POV is difficult for me to understand. You are either one of the minority azz-kissing pilots, a management doughboy or someone who simply can't comprehend the issues. Hopefully you are the latter, since at least that would offer you opportunity to become enlightened in the future.
I am astounded that you would suggest it unsafe for people to fly with LHR based on his viewpoints expressed on this forum. It is one of the most absurd things i have ever read here and you should reconsider posting such comments in the future.
Yes, I have suggested you are one of 3 types of individuals, none of which I find decent but I have no idea of your skills, or lack thereof, in relation to your profession. It's possible you are a good pilot with sound judgement and above average skills. Although if i am correct in my assessment of you, then based on my experience with individuals like yourself, that is highly unlikely. Then again, perhaps you made that post in a moment of insanity and we should give you the benefit of the doubt.
You have crossed the line and need a little beeyatch slapping. (that's intended in humour)
"So we can all feel save"????? What the heck does that mean?
Yes, i realize what you intended, but in your venomous and ridiculous attack on LHR, you should try to appear at least moderately intelligent.
I have read a few of your posts, and your POV is difficult for me to understand. You are either one of the minority azz-kissing pilots, a management doughboy or someone who simply can't comprehend the issues. Hopefully you are the latter, since at least that would offer you opportunity to become enlightened in the future.
I am astounded that you would suggest it unsafe for people to fly with LHR based on his viewpoints expressed on this forum. It is one of the most absurd things i have ever read here and you should reconsider posting such comments in the future.
Yes, I have suggested you are one of 3 types of individuals, none of which I find decent but I have no idea of your skills, or lack thereof, in relation to your profession. It's possible you are a good pilot with sound judgement and above average skills. Although if i am correct in my assessment of you, then based on my experience with individuals like yourself, that is highly unlikely. Then again, perhaps you made that post in a moment of insanity and we should give you the benefit of the doubt.
You have crossed the line and need a little beeyatch slapping. (that's intended in humour)
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EK always hired DEC, 15 years ago the hired them, even the AB chiefpilot is a DEC, they hired DEC 2000 on the 777 (Rademann and another guy).
2001 EK announced again that they will hire DEC.
So it was no secret and EK made it quiet clear.
2001 EK announced again that they will hire DEC.
So it was no secret and EK made it quiet clear.
