2 new DEC on EK 777
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From: sandbox
Boy did this topic veer to the left in a hurry "Ooh Jeremy I couldnt possibly..." Great one BYMONEK. My minds eye is tainted forever!
But back to the topic. I returned this morning and decided to find out once and for all, so I did the most precise investigation I could think of, I looked at the mail boxes in CBC.
The results are: (drum roll please) THERE ARE NO MAIL BOXES FOR BOEING DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAINS IN CBC FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
The only DEC's are for the 310. Now I am sure that there are f/o's here who would gladly take an upgrade on the 310 but that is for another thread in which I am sure we will learn the sexual orientation of a few others!
As this is a rumor network I can state that IT IS ONLY A RUMOR!
Love to all,
330 Man
But back to the topic. I returned this morning and decided to find out once and for all, so I did the most precise investigation I could think of, I looked at the mail boxes in CBC.
The results are: (drum roll please) THERE ARE NO MAIL BOXES FOR BOEING DIRECT ENTRY CAPTAINS IN CBC FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
The only DEC's are for the 310. Now I am sure that there are f/o's here who would gladly take an upgrade on the 310 but that is for another thread in which I am sure we will learn the sexual orientation of a few others!
As this is a rumor network I can state that IT IS ONLY A RUMOR!
Love to all,
330 Man
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Oh gawd - here we go again.
First, I very much doubt that EK PROMISED anyone a command in 3 yrs, 5 yrs or 7. At interview airlines might cautiously discuss the expected time to command based on current thinking but I've never known any company that wouldn't lay emphasis on the fact that this was not promised.......... but so often guys just don't listen...............
Its also true that every airline I've worked for has had talent for promotion but also some f/o's that thought they should be captains but frankly didn't deserve it based on either ability or attitude or both.
It is important that pilots stick together - that is pilots - not captains and not purely f/o's. Most of you f/o's that are complaining will eventually make it into the LHS maybe with EK, maybe elsewhere.
So once you've made it, do you propose to stay with that company for the next 10, 20 or 30 years or whatever you have until retirement? Most of you will not because we enjoy a profession which allows us mobility and variety.
Once you've been LHS on your EK Boeing or Airbus for a few years and you are ready to move on, I bet you won't be so keen to see other airlines protecting the rights of their f/o's.
First, I very much doubt that EK PROMISED anyone a command in 3 yrs, 5 yrs or 7. At interview airlines might cautiously discuss the expected time to command based on current thinking but I've never known any company that wouldn't lay emphasis on the fact that this was not promised.......... but so often guys just don't listen...............
Its also true that every airline I've worked for has had talent for promotion but also some f/o's that thought they should be captains but frankly didn't deserve it based on either ability or attitude or both.
It is important that pilots stick together - that is pilots - not captains and not purely f/o's. Most of you f/o's that are complaining will eventually make it into the LHS maybe with EK, maybe elsewhere.
So once you've made it, do you propose to stay with that company for the next 10, 20 or 30 years or whatever you have until retirement? Most of you will not because we enjoy a profession which allows us mobility and variety.
Once you've been LHS on your EK Boeing or Airbus for a few years and you are ready to move on, I bet you won't be so keen to see other airlines protecting the rights of their f/o's.
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W**K*r Yes here I am WK. Now you admit to being a "Peeping Tom" as well as your other attributes. In view of your immaturity I think that when ( and if ) EK ever decide you are suitable for Command that you initially prove yourself on the A310 Freighter for say 5/10 years as I don't think you should be let loose with Passengers and Cabin Crew.
Gypsy You are of course correct in what you say but I disagree about Pilot Mobility. I think that is getting less and less and depends wholly on what Aircraft you are not only Rated on but actually Current on in most cases. That lack of Mobility is why huge numbers of Pilots are not leaving EK or SQ or any of the rest ,just a trickle even if slightly more than before.
The problem Airlines have is getting Pilots to join in the first place. Unless it is financially better than what you have at home why drag your family halfway around the world for an uncertain future where you have no Employment rights whatsoever and where all airlines that employ ex-pats can and do change T & C's whenever they feel like it!
Gypsy You are of course correct in what you say but I disagree about Pilot Mobility. I think that is getting less and less and depends wholly on what Aircraft you are not only Rated on but actually Current on in most cases. That lack of Mobility is why huge numbers of Pilots are not leaving EK or SQ or any of the rest ,just a trickle even if slightly more than before.
The problem Airlines have is getting Pilots to join in the first place. Unless it is financially better than what you have at home why drag your family halfway around the world for an uncertain future where you have no Employment rights whatsoever and where all airlines that employ ex-pats can and do change T & C's whenever they feel like it!
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From: sandbox
Oh Gawd here we go again, another non Emirates pilot is going to tell us how to think, act and feel.
Gypsy,
If your post was not so insulting it would be funny. Who are you to give advice to EK first officers when you are not a EK pilot? You have no idea the frustration we are feeling at the Direct Entry Program.
Please from a personal standpoint, let me debunk your totally incorrect advice.
Emirates is not so stupid as to make a promise, you are correct. BUT, there are some First Officers here who were told that they would upgrade in 18 months. Period! It is not a promise, but it is,on it's face value a rather firm statement.
Yes it is true that some First Officers think they should be upgraded when in fact they are not ready. But there are many First Officers here with well over 10000 hours in transport jets with over 5000 PIC on jets. Some have well over 15000 hours, with both good ability and attitudes. To hire Direct Entry Captains over these First Officers is a crime!
Sticking together here is not revelant. It is not like we could use some sort of job action. And yes most of us will eventually upgrade. The point is that most of us have already had upgrades at other airlines. As I said, to hire DEC'S over those former captains is a crime.
I will be here until I retire!
I will always be keen on protecting the rights of all pilots including First Officers. I think the DEC' program here is wrong, has been totally unsuccessful and has done much more harm than good. It was ill conceived and has been the one thing that has eroded the goodwill among the First Officers here towards the company.
I hold no grudge against the DEC'S that came here. This is a problem with management. We were told that the DEC program would not be at the expense of one upgrade, and that the program would only be used to cover the extra 340,s. That was a lie, and every qualified First officer here has paid a price for that lie.
We are well justified to complain, and if you were a First Officer here I have no doubt that your voice would be just as loud!
Regards,
330 Man
Gypsy,
If your post was not so insulting it would be funny. Who are you to give advice to EK first officers when you are not a EK pilot? You have no idea the frustration we are feeling at the Direct Entry Program.
Please from a personal standpoint, let me debunk your totally incorrect advice.
Emirates is not so stupid as to make a promise, you are correct. BUT, there are some First Officers here who were told that they would upgrade in 18 months. Period! It is not a promise, but it is,on it's face value a rather firm statement.
Yes it is true that some First Officers think they should be upgraded when in fact they are not ready. But there are many First Officers here with well over 10000 hours in transport jets with over 5000 PIC on jets. Some have well over 15000 hours, with both good ability and attitudes. To hire Direct Entry Captains over these First Officers is a crime!
Sticking together here is not revelant. It is not like we could use some sort of job action. And yes most of us will eventually upgrade. The point is that most of us have already had upgrades at other airlines. As I said, to hire DEC'S over those former captains is a crime.
I will be here until I retire!
I will always be keen on protecting the rights of all pilots including First Officers. I think the DEC' program here is wrong, has been totally unsuccessful and has done much more harm than good. It was ill conceived and has been the one thing that has eroded the goodwill among the First Officers here towards the company.
I hold no grudge against the DEC'S that came here. This is a problem with management. We were told that the DEC program would not be at the expense of one upgrade, and that the program would only be used to cover the extra 340,s. That was a lie, and every qualified First officer here has paid a price for that lie.
We are well justified to complain, and if you were a First Officer here I have no doubt that your voice would be just as loud!
Regards,
330 Man
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330man
Quote 'You have no idea the frustration we are feeling at the Direct Entry Program'.
So this is unique to EK is it - never happened to anyone else has it - not qualified to have a view point if you don't work for EK?
I'm lucky enough to be in the LHS on a shiny electric jet and have been for many years including some spent as an expat. I've been tempted towards jobs that involved voluntarily stepping into the RHS (including EK) but always backed away from it because .............. well, what you're experiencing now isn't new and I always decided to stay in the LHS for job satisfaction and salary reasons and based on what I have observed, I also thought the risks of industry changes/company fortunes interrupting expected moves back to the LHS were too high (especially in the expat world).
I wish all EK F/O's well but you elected to join as an F/O which might have been a mistake - other guys in the industry are also well qualified and professional and deserve to be able to move their careers along as well.
I have enjoyed my time as a commercial pilot and there are so many great things about it but one of the sillier points is the fact that a very experienced captain might be unable to change jobs because it would mean and massive demotion and salary cut.
My point is that you will all be that very experienced pilot one day and if you already are and you chose to go RHS ........ well that might have been a big whoopsie
Quote 'You have no idea the frustration we are feeling at the Direct Entry Program'.
So this is unique to EK is it - never happened to anyone else has it - not qualified to have a view point if you don't work for EK?
I'm lucky enough to be in the LHS on a shiny electric jet and have been for many years including some spent as an expat. I've been tempted towards jobs that involved voluntarily stepping into the RHS (including EK) but always backed away from it because .............. well, what you're experiencing now isn't new and I always decided to stay in the LHS for job satisfaction and salary reasons and based on what I have observed, I also thought the risks of industry changes/company fortunes interrupting expected moves back to the LHS were too high (especially in the expat world).
I wish all EK F/O's well but you elected to join as an F/O which might have been a mistake - other guys in the industry are also well qualified and professional and deserve to be able to move their careers along as well.
I have enjoyed my time as a commercial pilot and there are so many great things about it but one of the sillier points is the fact that a very experienced captain might be unable to change jobs because it would mean and massive demotion and salary cut.
My point is that you will all be that very experienced pilot one day and if you already are and you chose to go RHS ........ well that might have been a big whoopsie
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Have to agree with gypsy here, any Capt with 10 or 15,000 hrs who goes to a company as F/O on a verbal agreement for upgrade is CRAZY. No sympathy for these people, you took a chance and got shafted. Not the first time and definitely not the last. Vote with your feet.
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From: Sandy beach
The focus on hours is superfluous. If you are hired at EK, you are hired as a F/O with the function of seniority to move into the left seat. With good sim results and no snags, all F/O's should be upgraded accordingly in turn. Transition upgrades should return and the DEC program should be a last resort to fill high demand expansion. The difference between 15k hrs and 8k hrs means very little as for being ready and capable for command. It's a number of other factors that one needs to competently do the job well. These days a sense of humor would be high on the list, or the ability to sleep on demand .
On the whole I see the DEC program as being a cancer to morale, but to no fault of the individual. I hope the current F/O's are not further by-passed, specifically on the airbus, and the company gives credit to it's active F/O's.
Can't we just all get along........
On the whole I see the DEC program as being a cancer to morale, but to no fault of the individual. I hope the current F/O's are not further by-passed, specifically on the airbus, and the company gives credit to it's active F/O's.
Can't we just all get along........
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Gypsy & Jackbauer,
Both of you raise some valid points and even I have to agree that there is a large risk leaving Left seat to return as F/O with a different Company. Many here have taken that risk and for some it's been worthwhile,yet for others it's caused frustration and bitterness. To give up a command, especially with a good Airline, needs some serious thought and planning. Difficult to do at the best of times, even more difficult to do when rules and requirments can change overnight. The simple answer to vote with one's feet is again easier for some. Even after a few months, people are settled with children at schools, bought/renting villas ( 6 month cheques in advance), car loans etc etc. To simply ship up and move out is very difficult.
Although I myself have been adversely effected, I was not that naive to realise that policies never change here in the Gulf. That was the risk I took when I came here so I either accept it or leave. I choose to stay. I'm not,as some have said on here, prostituting myself to the Company. Far from it.I, along with my Family, enjoy a safe and high standard of living here. We have a lovely villa with no hassle attached, excellent medical care and a stable roster that has had only one change in 2 years. My quality of life has improved markedly and along with varied and ever expanding routes and new well maintained Aircraft, It is still a better place to be than the one we left behind. Yes, the salary could be higher but i'm 'richer' in other parts of my life. There are anyway, many opportunities here in Dubai to amass some serious wealth outside of Emirates but that's another story!
I also agree with many others on this forum that we should not be in this situation of recruiting DEC's. With some minor changes in hours requirment and transition upgrades, we have an abundance of highly qualified and experienced F/O's capable of Commands. It highlights what a woeful state our training department is in. Since being here for the last two years, i'm very aware of the 'knowledge is power' ideology that seems to pervade through the Company. Rather than teaching and training pilots, it can appear at times that there are some,and I emphasise the word some, who would rather check than train and almost delight at trying to catch people out. What kind of training culture is that? I also agree with Saltaire that if you ain't hacked it by 8000 hours, another 7000 will not make you any better! I'm also acutely aware of the status of F/O's in this Company compared to that of Captains. Unlike Many Airlines, particularly those in the West, that treat First Officers as Adults and empower them as such, here it is more the 'man and dog' philosophy.
Although he has his critics,'AS' has taken on a difficult job and has implemented some good decisions so far.( IMHO). If he is to retain and build support from the pilots then these issues, and issues such as J'burg need to be addressed now before the will and support of the pilots is lost for good.
BYMONEK
p.s Isn't it about time we were all given laptops to 'read' our manuals. It was NOT a condition of my employment that I had to have a computer so if you want us to be studious pilots, please provide us with the tools to do our job. Far more use than the oven gloves!
Both of you raise some valid points and even I have to agree that there is a large risk leaving Left seat to return as F/O with a different Company. Many here have taken that risk and for some it's been worthwhile,yet for others it's caused frustration and bitterness. To give up a command, especially with a good Airline, needs some serious thought and planning. Difficult to do at the best of times, even more difficult to do when rules and requirments can change overnight. The simple answer to vote with one's feet is again easier for some. Even after a few months, people are settled with children at schools, bought/renting villas ( 6 month cheques in advance), car loans etc etc. To simply ship up and move out is very difficult.
Although I myself have been adversely effected, I was not that naive to realise that policies never change here in the Gulf. That was the risk I took when I came here so I either accept it or leave. I choose to stay. I'm not,as some have said on here, prostituting myself to the Company. Far from it.I, along with my Family, enjoy a safe and high standard of living here. We have a lovely villa with no hassle attached, excellent medical care and a stable roster that has had only one change in 2 years. My quality of life has improved markedly and along with varied and ever expanding routes and new well maintained Aircraft, It is still a better place to be than the one we left behind. Yes, the salary could be higher but i'm 'richer' in other parts of my life. There are anyway, many opportunities here in Dubai to amass some serious wealth outside of Emirates but that's another story!
I also agree with many others on this forum that we should not be in this situation of recruiting DEC's. With some minor changes in hours requirment and transition upgrades, we have an abundance of highly qualified and experienced F/O's capable of Commands. It highlights what a woeful state our training department is in. Since being here for the last two years, i'm very aware of the 'knowledge is power' ideology that seems to pervade through the Company. Rather than teaching and training pilots, it can appear at times that there are some,and I emphasise the word some, who would rather check than train and almost delight at trying to catch people out. What kind of training culture is that? I also agree with Saltaire that if you ain't hacked it by 8000 hours, another 7000 will not make you any better! I'm also acutely aware of the status of F/O's in this Company compared to that of Captains. Unlike Many Airlines, particularly those in the West, that treat First Officers as Adults and empower them as such, here it is more the 'man and dog' philosophy.
Although he has his critics,'AS' has taken on a difficult job and has implemented some good decisions so far.( IMHO). If he is to retain and build support from the pilots then these issues, and issues such as J'burg need to be addressed now before the will and support of the pilots is lost for good.
BYMONEK
p.s Isn't it about time we were all given laptops to 'read' our manuals. It was NOT a condition of my employment that I had to have a computer so if you want us to be studious pilots, please provide us with the tools to do our job. Far more use than the oven gloves!
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Oh, I don't know about that. Have just whipped outa the oven a tasty looking fishy pie......with those very gloves. What would I have done without them?
Top post bye the way. Very well balanced and argued!
Now, must leave, suppers calling...... harry......harry.......
Harry
Top post bye the way. Very well balanced and argued!
Now, must leave, suppers calling...... harry......harry.......
Harry
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From: sandbox
SS: Good post!
Gypsy: Of course you are entitled to have a view point. My point is that you have a different view from the outside. Those of us who are here and living through the moving goal post of upgrade have a different view point The DEC program is possible through the expense of the First Officer's at EK. It is reasonable to expect us to have a differing opinion on the matter. It effects our lives and careers, not yours! Would you have us believe that if you were in our situation you would just accept it and not get angry. In a nutshell you are telling us to get over it and move on, and that is just we are doing, We are after all professionals and we go to work and do our jobs to the very best of our ability. That does not mean we have to like it, and neither would you.
quote" other guys in the industry are also well qualified and professional and deserve to be able to move their careers along as well." What do you mean by that. Are you refering to the DEC's who came here at the expense of the qualified First Officers? If so I would love to hear logic behind that statement.
And finally, I did not leave a LHS job to come here. I have said before on pprune, DO NOT LEAVE A LEFT SEAT JOB TO COME TO EK! IT WILL BE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF YOUR CAREER.
I came here because I had the misfortune of flying for 20 years for an airline in the states that is in a downward spiral. After 3 mergers, 2 bankruptcies, 55%pay cut, loosing 80 % of my pension, parking 150 jets, and laying off 2000 pilots, I found myself back in the right seat after many years in the left. I am sure that you are not so silly as to think I did all of this by my own choice. It is called starting over and many First Officers at EK are in the same boat as me. Most of the F/O's here from my former company were captains, have over 15000 hours and are First Officers again. We were all told that we qualified for accelerated command and would upgrade in 18 months. I must be honest though and tell you that even if it 3 years I will still get to the left seat faster than my mates still at the old company.
Jackbauer: I can not stress the point enough. We did not leave our old company as captians to come here to be first officers. We were all trying to find the opportunity that would get us into the left seat as soon as possible. I do not want or need your sympathy, but your statement was based on an assumption that was incorrect. Voting with our feet is not so simple. I am one of those who still think this is a great job. Even with all of the crap, I love going to work every day. I know that I am probably in the minority, but I like working here. It is not that simple to find a captains job when you have been in the right seat again for a few years.
Saltaire, I agree with you to a point. You are correct that a 8k hour pilot is just as ready for command as a 15k hour pilot. And a 15k pilot probably has no better skills than a 8k hour pilot. The only advantage to having those extra 7k hours is the experience.
You will see more problems in those 7k hours and you find that you are surprised less often. They both will make great captains, it is just that one will have less hair, it will all be gray, and he will have to sit on a doughnut because of the hemmoroids. But then thats just me!
Regards,
330 Man
Gypsy: Of course you are entitled to have a view point. My point is that you have a different view from the outside. Those of us who are here and living through the moving goal post of upgrade have a different view point The DEC program is possible through the expense of the First Officer's at EK. It is reasonable to expect us to have a differing opinion on the matter. It effects our lives and careers, not yours! Would you have us believe that if you were in our situation you would just accept it and not get angry. In a nutshell you are telling us to get over it and move on, and that is just we are doing, We are after all professionals and we go to work and do our jobs to the very best of our ability. That does not mean we have to like it, and neither would you.
quote" other guys in the industry are also well qualified and professional and deserve to be able to move their careers along as well." What do you mean by that. Are you refering to the DEC's who came here at the expense of the qualified First Officers? If so I would love to hear logic behind that statement.
And finally, I did not leave a LHS job to come here. I have said before on pprune, DO NOT LEAVE A LEFT SEAT JOB TO COME TO EK! IT WILL BE THE BIGGEST MISTAKE OF YOUR CAREER.
I came here because I had the misfortune of flying for 20 years for an airline in the states that is in a downward spiral. After 3 mergers, 2 bankruptcies, 55%pay cut, loosing 80 % of my pension, parking 150 jets, and laying off 2000 pilots, I found myself back in the right seat after many years in the left. I am sure that you are not so silly as to think I did all of this by my own choice. It is called starting over and many First Officers at EK are in the same boat as me. Most of the F/O's here from my former company were captains, have over 15000 hours and are First Officers again. We were all told that we qualified for accelerated command and would upgrade in 18 months. I must be honest though and tell you that even if it 3 years I will still get to the left seat faster than my mates still at the old company.
Jackbauer: I can not stress the point enough. We did not leave our old company as captians to come here to be first officers. We were all trying to find the opportunity that would get us into the left seat as soon as possible. I do not want or need your sympathy, but your statement was based on an assumption that was incorrect. Voting with our feet is not so simple. I am one of those who still think this is a great job. Even with all of the crap, I love going to work every day. I know that I am probably in the minority, but I like working here. It is not that simple to find a captains job when you have been in the right seat again for a few years.
Saltaire, I agree with you to a point. You are correct that a 8k hour pilot is just as ready for command as a 15k hour pilot. And a 15k pilot probably has no better skills than a 8k hour pilot. The only advantage to having those extra 7k hours is the experience.
You will see more problems in those 7k hours and you find that you are surprised less often. They both will make great captains, it is just that one will have less hair, it will all be gray, and he will have to sit on a doughnut because of the hemmoroids. But then thats just me!
Regards,
330 Man
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Adel not so Able
Well as was expected, at a previous pilots meeting I quote his competence with the memorable statement.
"No F/O will be disadvantaged by DEC's"
So WHY are there 777 F/O's still jumping the airbus guys on commands and you LOCK us on the bus. If you have any credible management skills or decency in you then either get this sorted or offer BYPASS pay as I can never expect another word of truth from you ever. Please reply below with your name for a major boost in your credibility, as for now you command less respect than you could possibly imagine.
I am not being disrespectful, just honest.
Rgds a SAFE and dedicated employee ( I do my bit!)
"No F/O will be disadvantaged by DEC's"
So WHY are there 777 F/O's still jumping the airbus guys on commands and you LOCK us on the bus. If you have any credible management skills or decency in you then either get this sorted or offer BYPASS pay as I can never expect another word of truth from you ever. Please reply below with your name for a major boost in your credibility, as for now you command less respect than you could possibly imagine.
I am not being disrespectful, just honest.
Rgds a SAFE and dedicated employee ( I do my bit!)
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From: HERE AND THERE
Gentleman!
For God sake, is there a more irrelevant, useless and tiresome discussion that this moaning about badguysdecsbypassingnaivefosduetopoormanagement?
EK, QR, SK, you name it, will do it at their own convenience and discretion unless we have a strong UNION, no matter what you, me or them think about it!
Or the market forces be so at our side that decent seniority lists would be sine qua non condition to consider a job offer.
EK, QR, SK, you name it, will do it at their own convenience and discretion unless we have a strong UNION, no matter what you, me or them think about it!
Or the market forces be so at our side that decent seniority lists would be sine qua non condition to consider a job offer.
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Critical Whinge
You were obviously not here about 3 years ago. If you were you would remember that the roles were reversed with the Airbus guys being upgraded ahead of the Boeing guys. No bypass pay then and there won't be any now. Just hang in there buddy, it will happen soon.
That said, still doesn't make it right does it?
With the current state of affairs I have no doubt in my mind that cross fleet upgrades will be happening again before long.
Safe flying guys and when angry and irritated by all this , go to the lazy river with the new flight international or go have a cold one at the golf club. Let the company do the worrying! Methinks they're doing a lot of that right about now with all the resignations, no shows, cancelled transition courses, engineers leaving etc etc etc etc
Keep discovering..............................
You were obviously not here about 3 years ago. If you were you would remember that the roles were reversed with the Airbus guys being upgraded ahead of the Boeing guys. No bypass pay then and there won't be any now. Just hang in there buddy, it will happen soon.
That said, still doesn't make it right does it?
With the current state of affairs I have no doubt in my mind that cross fleet upgrades will be happening again before long.
Safe flying guys and when angry and irritated by all this , go to the lazy river with the new flight international or go have a cold one at the golf club. Let the company do the worrying! Methinks they're doing a lot of that right about now with all the resignations, no shows, cancelled transition courses, engineers leaving etc etc etc etc
Keep discovering..............................
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From: east
This is the calm before the storm!
True there is no more DECs this year , but by march the 777 will run out of qualified F/os to upgrade .
A meeting about transition upgrades came up with we will never do them , apart from the first year of A380 program.
If the 345s and 6s do not continue here and as 2 A380s arrive 1 a330 leaves (remember A350s not avail till 2010 or 2011) thats if they dont get 777-200lrs , Airbus commands will diminish to a dribble for the next 5 years , while because of no transition upgrades to 777 Decs will come in and your friends who started after you will have there commands on 777 .
Also the captains will run into a brick wall as well, as the A380 is a transition upgrade even from A340 it will be dissallowed and Direct entry crews will come off the street probably based in other countries as a way to attract the huge numbers of pilots required.
It affect everybody i hope the chairman is aware of all this as things will get very nasty in the next few years if they stick to this plan, especially after allowing some 777 crews to go on 380 and no A330 crews allowed to go onto 777 in return .
look out !
True there is no more DECs this year , but by march the 777 will run out of qualified F/os to upgrade .
A meeting about transition upgrades came up with we will never do them , apart from the first year of A380 program.
If the 345s and 6s do not continue here and as 2 A380s arrive 1 a330 leaves (remember A350s not avail till 2010 or 2011) thats if they dont get 777-200lrs , Airbus commands will diminish to a dribble for the next 5 years , while because of no transition upgrades to 777 Decs will come in and your friends who started after you will have there commands on 777 .
Also the captains will run into a brick wall as well, as the A380 is a transition upgrade even from A340 it will be dissallowed and Direct entry crews will come off the street probably based in other countries as a way to attract the huge numbers of pilots required.
It affect everybody i hope the chairman is aware of all this as things will get very nasty in the next few years if they stick to this plan, especially after allowing some 777 crews to go on 380 and no A330 crews allowed to go onto 777 in return .
look out !