Emirates T and C changes
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In my view, as long as we have the current EVP, E&O, there will be no change for the better. And the likelihood of him moving sideways is next to zero. Emirates is pursuing the national policy of 'Emiratisation', or 'jobs for the boys' if you like. That means a 'Gulf Air' scenario. It will never go back to the good 'ol days. So we will continue to see irrational decisions being made at EVP level to the detriment of the company. It is a lost cause.
So if you are happy to put up with it then good luck to you. Personally I can't wait to be shot of the place. One thing is for sure. Ultimately Emirates will get the standard of pilots they so richly deserve.
So if you are happy to put up with it then good luck to you. Personally I can't wait to be shot of the place. One thing is for sure. Ultimately Emirates will get the standard of pilots they so richly deserve.
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Not only was the DECs bad for EK but it was bad long term and short term. The applications slowed way down from pilots that they really wanted and long term they are seeing the resignations starting to gather steam. I know probably not as much in numbers as everyone is saying or hoping but they are happening none the less.
What is the reason for this? Is it the T&C changes or is it the DECs or both. Hard to say but every decision has had an impact of late and it is starting to rear its ugly head. Deep in a lot of pilots hearts at EK they were hoping that the DEC program would fail and that is debateable if it indeed has failed. Long term I would suggest that it has failed because of what I metioned above and that spells trouble for all of us months and years down the road.
No question with what has been writen earlier EK is not going to get the pilots they want. Someone said they will get the pilots they deserve and that is very true. So good luck to all of us and especially the ones that stick around. CVs all over the web, now if I can get my lucky ticket punched
What is the reason for this? Is it the T&C changes or is it the DECs or both. Hard to say but every decision has had an impact of late and it is starting to rear its ugly head. Deep in a lot of pilots hearts at EK they were hoping that the DEC program would fail and that is debateable if it indeed has failed. Long term I would suggest that it has failed because of what I metioned above and that spells trouble for all of us months and years down the road.
No question with what has been writen earlier EK is not going to get the pilots they want. Someone said they will get the pilots they deserve and that is very true. So good luck to all of us and especially the ones that stick around. CVs all over the web, now if I can get my lucky ticket punched
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Mensa mate,spot on post.
The DEC programme was flawed from day 1, so long as there were qualified FOs here already from other carriers.
I have no personal problem with the individuals,they took the chance but i agree the standards are at best variable on selection and training.This programme once entered,had to succeed.Some are excellent,some are not.
It was a political move I think,and has done great damage.IMHO of course.I can never remember so many pilots resigning in such a short period of time in my time at EK.Not hat DECs are to blame,the treatment of us all,in Ts and Cs has not helped.
I hope they have a plan to resolve it.QB
The DEC programme was flawed from day 1, so long as there were qualified FOs here already from other carriers.
I have no personal problem with the individuals,they took the chance but i agree the standards are at best variable on selection and training.This programme once entered,had to succeed.Some are excellent,some are not.
It was a political move I think,and has done great damage.IMHO of course.I can never remember so many pilots resigning in such a short period of time in my time at EK.Not hat DECs are to blame,the treatment of us all,in Ts and Cs has not helped.
I hope they have a plan to resolve it.QB
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20 just last week. XXXX XXXXX confirmed it while in MEL. Ask him I am sure that he will tell you but on second thought he is probably so busy now trying to hire the third world pilots that he can't take your call. The ball is starting to roll and gather steam. Look out below!
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You don't trust or respect your Management. ( I wonder why? ) Understandably any F/O with the requesite time, and being suitable,being passed over for a Command, for a DEC, is unacceptable, and therefore delays the F/O's progression, and gets the people concerned de-motivated. GF has finally learned that lesson. No new hire DEC's, at least for now. Maybe EK is growing too fast, too soon!!!! . Is the bubble going to burst, I wonder?. Like the building boom, it's got to, sometime. Costs are major, and surely it is cheaper for your airline to hire, and train, DEC's, than to train F/O's within the company, bearing in mind the extra aircraft you are constantly getting. We all know the ' goal-post's' change all the time, not to suit you, but to suit the company. In my view, and it's a huge pity, the nitty gritty of our field get shafted,often. Without us however, the planes would be idle, gathering dust, and there's lots of that here.
Lastly, don't run-down GF/QR etc, all the time. They are just as good as you think you are, better, I think, but that's my opinion. Certainly, you've had the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, apart from Etihad, being the baby in the Gulf.Your marketing is second to none, you should be proud of that. Keep Discovering!!!
tic
Lastly, don't run-down GF/QR etc, all the time. They are just as good as you think you are, better, I think, but that's my opinion. Certainly, you've had the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, apart from Etihad, being the baby in the Gulf.Your marketing is second to none, you should be proud of that. Keep Discovering!!!
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"Its sad Emirates has come to this, just another contract job"
- well. i guess that's unfortuneately and sadly become true by now - those hillarious housing costs for a place in the middle of the desert went up some 50 (fifty !) percent just last year,
whereas that ridicolous payrise of 8% was just peanuts, and - too shorten it:
If they bring in (once again) DEC on the B 777 fleet, they won't have just my resignment letter on their desk next morning!
Sorry, but repeated exhausting "bullits" to Europe with Min-Rest - or MRU- to sleep again Min-Rest during the day whilst the a/c is doozing and boiling on the ramp, furthermore more and more 6 days shuttle trips like: DXB-CMB-SIN or DXB-SIN-MEL-Auckland and retour in one (!) week, you just had it!
Ahh - well, of course just 9 days OFF - spread somewhere in between - Great !@
And not few of those hard working Skippers had been kicked out of their posh villas in return - that definitively boosts the (deteriorating) morale ...
To sum it up: That's NO life anymore! We just had it - you're totally nackered thereafter, and some Captain handed in an ASR thereafter:
"Unfit / Unsafe to fly due to Excessive fatigue!" That's what i call courage! Well done - Thumbs Up - we need more of that backbone-guys!
There will be a big wake-up pretty soon! You bet! There are better jobs coming up soon !
- well. i guess that's unfortuneately and sadly become true by now - those hillarious housing costs for a place in the middle of the desert went up some 50 (fifty !) percent just last year,
whereas that ridicolous payrise of 8% was just peanuts, and - too shorten it:
If they bring in (once again) DEC on the B 777 fleet, they won't have just my resignment letter on their desk next morning!
Sorry, but repeated exhausting "bullits" to Europe with Min-Rest - or MRU- to sleep again Min-Rest during the day whilst the a/c is doozing and boiling on the ramp, furthermore more and more 6 days shuttle trips like: DXB-CMB-SIN or DXB-SIN-MEL-Auckland and retour in one (!) week, you just had it!
Ahh - well, of course just 9 days OFF - spread somewhere in between - Great !@
And not few of those hard working Skippers had been kicked out of their posh villas in return - that definitively boosts the (deteriorating) morale ...
To sum it up: That's NO life anymore! We just had it - you're totally nackered thereafter, and some Captain handed in an ASR thereafter:
"Unfit / Unsafe to fly due to Excessive fatigue!" That's what i call courage! Well done - Thumbs Up - we need more of that backbone-guys!
There will be a big wake-up pretty soon! You bet! There are better jobs coming up soon !
