Bush to attack Iran & Syria - Problems for us in the Middle East
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I don't think the 1400+dead or 8000+ wounded US and COALLITION troops or the 100,000 dead Iraqi and murdered western and asian hostages were killed due to the surgical strikes. Do you? Because that is how your post reads.
I don't think the 1400+dead or 8000+ wounded US and COALLITION troops or the 100,000 dead Iraqi and murdered western and asian hostages were killed due to the surgical strikes. Do you? Because that is how your post reads.
It will be interesting to see how far the Israeli Air Force has evolved referrence the likely strike on Iran. The nuclear facilities are at maximum range and their tanker resources are limited.
But unlike the Arabs whose air forces are often just for show, the Israelis maintain a high capability. I imagine they would have been preparing, equiping and training for a strike on Iran for the last 10 years.
It may well suit the Americans to secretly support an Israeli strike aswell. Reprisal strikes against Israel - Su24 and Shehab missile strikes - would lose their potency over the long distance to Israel. The SU24's would be easily shotdown by American fighters ( or Israelis closer to home ) in their long transit and the suface to surface missiles, with their launch failure rate, loss of accuracy at max range and the Israeli missile shield, may be an acceptable risk.
An American strike and consequent Iranian retaliation could be disasterous. Attacks on oil tankers, active support of Iraqi insurgency and missile strikes against the Gulf states would certainly slow the world economy with skyrocketing oil prices.
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I must add, that you rather lightly brush over the contibution of the Commonwealth in manpower, to the Defence of the Realm.
But unlike the Arabs whose air forces are often just for show, the Israelis maintain a high capability. I imagine they would have been preparing, equiping and training for a strike on Iran for the last 10 years.
It may well suit the Americans to secretly support an Israeli strike aswell. Reprisal strikes against Israel - Su24 and Shehab missile strikes - would lose their potency over the long distance to Israel. The SU24's would be easily shotdown by American fighters ( or Israelis closer to home ) in their long transit and the suface to surface missiles, with their launch failure rate, loss of accuracy at max range and the Israeli missile shield, may be an acceptable risk.
An American strike and consequent Iranian retaliation could be disasterous. Attacks on oil tankers, active support of Iraqi insurgency and missile strikes against the Gulf states would certainly slow the world economy with skyrocketing oil prices.
Pontius
I must add, that you rather lightly brush over the contibution of the Commonwealth in manpower, to the Defence of the Realm.
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I wish every one of you (99%) could read your posts and see how prejudice you are against a regime that has done nothing to any of you except what your western propaganda has led you to believe in terms of so called “sponsoring of terrorism”. On the other hand the Iranians and their so called fanatical regime had suffered sponsored wars and sanctions and abuse from the western world especially the Americans. I really wonder who is the terrorist???? I don’t blame the Iranians for trying to have the ability of producing nuclear power; and I don’t blame you lot for your ideology since you only listen/read news that is totally controlled by the very people that are the only lot that have nuclear capability and terrorizing and demolishing houses of poor, power less presents. But there again you wouldn’t see that sort of news, would you? You are all welcomed to my place for a nice freshly brewed coffee, it might wake you up.
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Yip... Tha Americans are at it again. What is it that you screw things for yourselves around the ME and you do your best to screw it for rest of the Westeners as well...
I can't count the times that I have been nastily asked if I was an American. Upon telling that I am not and want nothing to do with Americans, their attitude has changed.
Unilateral US policies affect the whole world and it is time that US is and it's leadership is made accountable for their unilateral actions. US of A is a much bigger threat to world peace than Iran has or will never be.
Sorry about the negative post, but I have just about had it. It is easy to comment from the safety of Arkansas or some other place, but I sit here right next door. It's like this. Y throw a rock in the bath tub, waves will come over the edge. Same will happen with UAE and Persian Gulf
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I can't count the times that I have been nastily asked if I was an American. Upon telling that I am not and want nothing to do with Americans, their attitude has changed.
Unilateral US policies affect the whole world and it is time that US is and it's leadership is made accountable for their unilateral actions. US of A is a much bigger threat to world peace than Iran has or will never be.
Sorry about the negative post, but I have just about had it. It is easy to comment from the safety of Arkansas or some other place, but I sit here right next door. It's like this. Y throw a rock in the bath tub, waves will come over the edge. Same will happen with UAE and Persian Gulf
JJ
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Not my quote Pontius
"Personally I hope there is a diplomatic solution but I don't have a problem with a pre-emptive strike or series of surgical strikes just as long as they neutralise the threat totally and it's by the US OR Israel, not both. "
Thats what you think Pontius. Sorry it came across this way. I just don't think Iran would be such an easy matter like the US thinks. Furthermore Israelis attacking Iran would probably the most disastrous strategy at this moment. The Gulf states and the US carriers are in missile strike range.
Can anyone imagine the panic that would break out in thiese peaceful Gulf states? Wjhat about the world oil supplies?
But as I quoted earlier I think this allready in the agenda of the Bush Regime and the neocons arrogantly lined out their strategy years ago in the books they published.
God bless the World (from America)
Thats what you think Pontius. Sorry it came across this way. I just don't think Iran would be such an easy matter like the US thinks. Furthermore Israelis attacking Iran would probably the most disastrous strategy at this moment. The Gulf states and the US carriers are in missile strike range.
Can anyone imagine the panic that would break out in thiese peaceful Gulf states? Wjhat about the world oil supplies?
But as I quoted earlier I think this allready in the agenda of the Bush Regime and the neocons arrogantly lined out their strategy years ago in the books they published.
God bless the World (from America)
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JJ flyer, I am right here in Jed KSA with my family.
Arkansas?
It is a concern to all of us here.
Last I heard their were close to 30,000 Americans here in KSA.
Arkansas?
It is a concern to all of us here.
Last I heard their were close to 30,000 Americans here in KSA.
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I sure hope that Iran gets nuclear weapons. Iranians are proud and honest people and they deserve to have capability of defending themselves from policy of US and Israel if attacked. At this moment Israel is the biggest threat to world peace and in the Middle East is needed power to counter balance those people in Israel. With Iran as nuclear power they will finally understand that they have to stop with repression of Palestinians and sit and seriously discuss peace with Palestine. There is no other way for peace in the Middle East. I hope that happens as soon as possible.
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"Yip... Tha Americans are at it again. What is it that you screw things for yourselves around the ME and you do your best to screw it for rest of the Westeners as well...
I can't count the times that I have been nastily asked if I was an American. Upon telling that I am not and want nothing to do with Americans, their attitude has changed.
Unilateral US policies affect the whole world and it is time that US is and it's leadership is made accountable for their unilateral actions. US of A is a much bigger threat to world peace than Iran has or will never be.
Sorry about the negative post, but I have just about had it. It is easy to comment from the safety of Arkansas or some other place, but I sit here right next door. It's like this. Y throw a rock in the bath tub, waves will come over the edge. Same will happen with UAE and Persian Gulf"
JJ
Well, I'll comment from the relative un-safety of KSA, right "next-door" as you put it.
When I'm nastily asked if I'm an American, it's always by a European. Arabs are much friendlier by far, and certainly not as condescending. I'd rather spend my time with them any day, and do.
To find the origins of the screwed-upness of the Middle East, all you have to do is remember that they were all once Euro-held colonies and/or protectorates, those "expert at running the world" mother countries drawing lines on maps or far-off lands, inventing countries without regard to anything except how it balanced power in Europe. The U.S. certainly didn't invent the strife that was there. Iraq was Brit...the original border dispute with Kuwait was due to one of these magical lines. The Baathist ideology was/is a direct form and export of Euro Socialism. Iraq was armed mainly by the Soviets, with a little help from the French.
The Brits and Euros were the main proponents for the formation of Israel...the primary de-stablilizing event in the region, desiring to rid themselves of as many Jews as possible. The French even built their weapons grade material-making nuclear reactor, just like they built one for Saddam years later.
Of course, now we see all of Europe putting blinders on with regards to the consequences of their own nation-building actions, washing their hands of it, and spend their time prating on and endlessly on about "how the U.S. has messed things up". Yes, you had a perfectly-run little sandox to play in, didn't you?
Maybe we should hold you accountable for YOUR actions. In the meantime, I'm glad you won't have anything to do with me if we ever cross paths, because the feeling is certainly mutual.
I can't count the times that I have been nastily asked if I was an American. Upon telling that I am not and want nothing to do with Americans, their attitude has changed.
Unilateral US policies affect the whole world and it is time that US is and it's leadership is made accountable for their unilateral actions. US of A is a much bigger threat to world peace than Iran has or will never be.
Sorry about the negative post, but I have just about had it. It is easy to comment from the safety of Arkansas or some other place, but I sit here right next door. It's like this. Y throw a rock in the bath tub, waves will come over the edge. Same will happen with UAE and Persian Gulf"
JJ
Well, I'll comment from the relative un-safety of KSA, right "next-door" as you put it.
When I'm nastily asked if I'm an American, it's always by a European. Arabs are much friendlier by far, and certainly not as condescending. I'd rather spend my time with them any day, and do.
To find the origins of the screwed-upness of the Middle East, all you have to do is remember that they were all once Euro-held colonies and/or protectorates, those "expert at running the world" mother countries drawing lines on maps or far-off lands, inventing countries without regard to anything except how it balanced power in Europe. The U.S. certainly didn't invent the strife that was there. Iraq was Brit...the original border dispute with Kuwait was due to one of these magical lines. The Baathist ideology was/is a direct form and export of Euro Socialism. Iraq was armed mainly by the Soviets, with a little help from the French.
The Brits and Euros were the main proponents for the formation of Israel...the primary de-stablilizing event in the region, desiring to rid themselves of as many Jews as possible. The French even built their weapons grade material-making nuclear reactor, just like they built one for Saddam years later.
Of course, now we see all of Europe putting blinders on with regards to the consequences of their own nation-building actions, washing their hands of it, and spend their time prating on and endlessly on about "how the U.S. has messed things up". Yes, you had a perfectly-run little sandox to play in, didn't you?
Maybe we should hold you accountable for YOUR actions. In the meantime, I'm glad you won't have anything to do with me if we ever cross paths, because the feeling is certainly mutual.
The prospect of Mullahs having access to an Islamic nuclear bomb unnerving for infidels.
Realistically, the residents of the MidEast ( Arabs and Persians ) should be the most concerned with the possibility of nuclear proliferation. The instability and sometimes madness of the region, makes apocalyptic nuclear scenarios fathomable!
Israel, backed against a wall by Mullahs threatening it's destruction with crude nuclear weapons, won't wait for for reason and diplomacy. If neccessary and conventional weapons not capable, it would use nuclear weapons against Iran.
Now Iran has the bomb, the Saudi's will want it too. Proud Egyptians wont want to be left out either. Who would not want nuclear deterrence in the mad house of the MidEast?
The Doomsday clock is ticking again- though it could be contained within the region until long range delivery platforms available.
Tristar
I would be honoured to join you for coffee. Could we talk about free press and human rights in Bahrain? And what were all those former Iranian residents, now residing in Bahrain, escaping a few years ago? The Mullahs who now want nuclear weapons!
AMF
Fair post. The mess of French and British colonialism conveniently forgotten here.
Realistically, the residents of the MidEast ( Arabs and Persians ) should be the most concerned with the possibility of nuclear proliferation. The instability and sometimes madness of the region, makes apocalyptic nuclear scenarios fathomable!
Israel, backed against a wall by Mullahs threatening it's destruction with crude nuclear weapons, won't wait for for reason and diplomacy. If neccessary and conventional weapons not capable, it would use nuclear weapons against Iran.
Now Iran has the bomb, the Saudi's will want it too. Proud Egyptians wont want to be left out either. Who would not want nuclear deterrence in the mad house of the MidEast?
The Doomsday clock is ticking again- though it could be contained within the region until long range delivery platforms available.
Tristar
I would be honoured to join you for coffee. Could we talk about free press and human rights in Bahrain? And what were all those former Iranian residents, now residing in Bahrain, escaping a few years ago? The Mullahs who now want nuclear weapons!
AMF
Fair post. The mess of French and British colonialism conveniently forgotten here.
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Dear AMF
1. Country I come from has never held colonies but rather has been part of several others as a colony or autonomous region. We never had anything to do with drawing borders anywhere in the world.
2. We fought communism and Socialism both in a civil war and 2 wars against Soviet Union, Mind you we are the only country that defeated them not just twice militarily but also politically during the 45 some years that followed until the collapse of Soviet Union.
3. We have been involved in the Middle-East peace process before you could even spell the word. We recognice the right for both Israel and Palestinians right for self-rule. We never encouraged our Jewish people to leave or move out neither did we deport them to Germany during the 40's.
4. It is not Americans as people I am critical about (Well the 50 some % that re-elected Bush proved to be dumber than I thought) Rather your government. Never asked if one was an American or not. I've got many American friends, all of them well travelled and educated and share my views about politics. Actually I picked some of this stuff from them. Mind you they did not vote for Bush either. In your books they would probably be "liberal trash"
5. I agree that nations responsible for colonialism and random border drawing that causes mosnt of the problems these days in Africa and other parts of the world should be held accoubtable. Perhaps US should threaten them with military action.
AMF said:
Saddams Baath party had nothing to do with the Social-democratic societys of Europe. It was based on a Soviet style totalitarian style fear culture with Mukhabarat rounding up people randomly.
Other than the French, I remember old Don Rumsfeld visiting Iraq in the 80's being buddy buddy with Saddam, not much talked about these das now is it?
During the 80's US was competing to be the largest supplier of weapons and other aid to Iraq and came close with the French. Facts and figures available.
Perhaps yby that you mean when we have sent UN peace keepers to places like Lebanon, Cyprus, and yest Iraq after last war as playing in the sandBOX (I spent my time in the Mil).
Regardless of the sources of the problems in the Middle-East. US sabre rattling is not making it any easier to be a westener here. Still I rather come to places like KSA, Iran, Algeria, Syria and Lebanon than travel to USA.
Like some one wise said once 'Ignorance is Blizz"
JJ
1. Country I come from has never held colonies but rather has been part of several others as a colony or autonomous region. We never had anything to do with drawing borders anywhere in the world.
2. We fought communism and Socialism both in a civil war and 2 wars against Soviet Union, Mind you we are the only country that defeated them not just twice militarily but also politically during the 45 some years that followed until the collapse of Soviet Union.
3. We have been involved in the Middle-East peace process before you could even spell the word. We recognice the right for both Israel and Palestinians right for self-rule. We never encouraged our Jewish people to leave or move out neither did we deport them to Germany during the 40's.
4. It is not Americans as people I am critical about (Well the 50 some % that re-elected Bush proved to be dumber than I thought) Rather your government. Never asked if one was an American or not. I've got many American friends, all of them well travelled and educated and share my views about politics. Actually I picked some of this stuff from them. Mind you they did not vote for Bush either. In your books they would probably be "liberal trash"
5. I agree that nations responsible for colonialism and random border drawing that causes mosnt of the problems these days in Africa and other parts of the world should be held accoubtable. Perhaps US should threaten them with military action.
AMF said:
The Baathist ideology was/is a direct form and export of Euro Socialism. Iraq was armed mainly by the Soviets, with a little help from the French
Other than the French, I remember old Don Rumsfeld visiting Iraq in the 80's being buddy buddy with Saddam, not much talked about these das now is it?
During the 80's US was competing to be the largest supplier of weapons and other aid to Iraq and came close with the French. Facts and figures available.
Yes, you had a perfectly-run little sandox to play in, didn't you
Regardless of the sources of the problems in the Middle-East. US sabre rattling is not making it any easier to be a westener here. Still I rather come to places like KSA, Iran, Algeria, Syria and Lebanon than travel to USA.
Like some one wise said once 'Ignorance is Blizz"
JJ
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I am in Bahrain today, it will be my pleasure to meet up with you, and yes we could talk about any subject that is allowed under the current régime which your lot, have imposed upon us!
Your name suggests that you are Jewish; you need not fear me, I have Bahraini Jewish friends that I hold very dear.
“And what were all those former Iranian residents, now residing in Bahrain, escaping a few years ago? The Mullahs who now want nuclear weapons”
The above part is not clear. If you will be so kind to elaborate on; then it would be a pleasure for me to put the records right for you, either in this forum or privately over a cup of coffee.
I am in Bahrain today, it will be my pleasure to meet up with you, and yes we could talk about any subject that is allowed under the current régime which your lot, have imposed upon us!
Your name suggests that you are Jewish; you need not fear me, I have Bahraini Jewish friends that I hold very dear.
“And what were all those former Iranian residents, now residing in Bahrain, escaping a few years ago? The Mullahs who now want nuclear weapons”
The above part is not clear. If you will be so kind to elaborate on; then it would be a pleasure for me to put the records right for you, either in this forum or privately over a cup of coffee.
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US foreign policy towards Iran (like NK and Iraq) is shrouded in misdirection and misinformation and in many cases, lies. The Bush Administration is fighting a battle against an age old enemy, enunciated by Dr. Joseph Goebbels over 60 years ago. The true enemy of the state is the truth.
Would an acquiescent media, compliant congress and largely ignorant population have supported the neocon agenda in Iraq had they been privy to the truth – namely, no WMD, no yellowcake from Niger, alloy tubes not used for nuclear weapons and no Iraqi links to Sep11?
Goebbels would have been awfully proud of Bush.
There is no doubt that we are approaching Hubbard’s Peak more rapidly than most world leaders would have us believe. The USA, China, India, Russia, the Caucuses, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Israel, Venezuela, Cuba and Western Europe are all jockeying for position in a bi-polar world of alliances that will look very different from the cold war.
No war is ever fought for one or two simple reasons. There is always a raft of issues that will be dealt with through conflict. The war in Iraq will have many positive results for US oil companies, US dollar hegemony, the US economy and the ability for the US to project military power into oil and gas fields in the Caspian Sea. Most importantly, invading Iraq has successfully demonstrated to terror supporting countries such as Pakistan and KSA that the US is deadly serious in its resolve to re-shape events in the oil rich Gulf region.
Clearly the US has detailed plans to attack Iran. Probably Syria also. But this should not be earth shattering news. The US (and Russia during the cold war) would have plans to invade any number of strategically or geopolitically important countries. Such is life in the shadow of a cold war.
Iran is like Iraq, a small chess piece in a broader game being played between “old” Europe and its allies and America and its allies. The game has little to do with nuke/bio/chem weapons or long range missiles that threaten “our way of life”.
Would an acquiescent media, compliant congress and largely ignorant population have supported the neocon agenda in Iraq had they been privy to the truth – namely, no WMD, no yellowcake from Niger, alloy tubes not used for nuclear weapons and no Iraqi links to Sep11?
Goebbels would have been awfully proud of Bush.
There is no doubt that we are approaching Hubbard’s Peak more rapidly than most world leaders would have us believe. The USA, China, India, Russia, the Caucuses, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Israel, Venezuela, Cuba and Western Europe are all jockeying for position in a bi-polar world of alliances that will look very different from the cold war.
No war is ever fought for one or two simple reasons. There is always a raft of issues that will be dealt with through conflict. The war in Iraq will have many positive results for US oil companies, US dollar hegemony, the US economy and the ability for the US to project military power into oil and gas fields in the Caspian Sea. Most importantly, invading Iraq has successfully demonstrated to terror supporting countries such as Pakistan and KSA that the US is deadly serious in its resolve to re-shape events in the oil rich Gulf region.
Clearly the US has detailed plans to attack Iran. Probably Syria also. But this should not be earth shattering news. The US (and Russia during the cold war) would have plans to invade any number of strategically or geopolitically important countries. Such is life in the shadow of a cold war.
Iran is like Iraq, a small chess piece in a broader game being played between “old” Europe and its allies and America and its allies. The game has little to do with nuke/bio/chem weapons or long range missiles that threaten “our way of life”.
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"By way of deception, thou shalt do war"
Quote from Pontious: "We are all too familiar with the U.S.'s policy t'wards threats, whether direct or perceived. The Israeli's however are a different species altogether. They flattened Osirak without warning the Iraqis, they reduced the PLO HQ in Tunis to rubble without consulting anybody, they snatched dozens of their own from the hands of murderous terrorists and a dictator in Entebbe. All these events had one thing in common- they all constitued a threat to Israeli citizens, whether European or Arab, whether Jew, Muslim or Christian,whether at home or abroad. Israel won't tolerate those kinds of threats. She, unlike the U.S., won't issue threats. She'll just strike. The U.S. is accountable to everyone. Israel is accountable to no-one. "
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war" the motto of the Mossad.
That explains a lot and makes me feel a lot safer! Just like the arrested israelis on September 11 as they cheered the WTC-Attacks
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war" the motto of the Mossad.
That explains a lot and makes me feel a lot safer! Just like the arrested israelis on September 11 as they cheered the WTC-Attacks
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Why now and not before????
Hey Guys,
I wonder some things and I do wonder...
1) Why now, and not before?? (did they become a threat in the last 6 months????)
2) Why the US should take the lead on striking, rather than a UN, and diplomatic instance prevail...???
3) IS NORTH KOREA COMING AFTER????????????????
I'm sorry guys, but i'm sick of the US to be the police of the globe... I want a very strong UN, and diplomatic resolutions....
HOW FAR ARE WE GONNA GO WITH THIS FREEDOM POLICY??
Be careful, tomorrow, i can tell you who will be the threats... PAKISTAN, CUBA, COLOMBIA, MOROCCO... who knows...
It can be your country guys...
Though, I don't support terrorism. But as I stated before, hope this situation is resolved, in a different way.
See ya ,
I wonder some things and I do wonder...
1) Why now, and not before?? (did they become a threat in the last 6 months????)
2) Why the US should take the lead on striking, rather than a UN, and diplomatic instance prevail...???
3) IS NORTH KOREA COMING AFTER????????????????
I'm sorry guys, but i'm sick of the US to be the police of the globe... I want a very strong UN, and diplomatic resolutions....
HOW FAR ARE WE GONNA GO WITH THIS FREEDOM POLICY??
Be careful, tomorrow, i can tell you who will be the threats... PAKISTAN, CUBA, COLOMBIA, MOROCCO... who knows...
It can be your country guys...
Though, I don't support terrorism. But as I stated before, hope this situation is resolved, in a different way.
See ya ,
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state sponsered terrorism
Made in the USA
This time it is not Cuba, Pakistan etc...
It is Iran (maybe Syria), all on the agenda of the neocons in Washington.
It is not if but when!
This time it is not Cuba, Pakistan etc...
It is Iran (maybe Syria), all on the agenda of the neocons in Washington.
It is not if but when!
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Lies, Damned Lies And Rice
The American press, compliant to the end, will dutifully spread the Bushies' propaganda. The liberals in the media, fearful of being called unpatriotic, or worse, liberal, will give the Bushies the slant they crave. The conservatives in the media will cheerfully continue on their flag-waving, apple-polishing way. They'll parade their red, white and blue "patriotism" much like a hooker with a cross around her neck parades her virtue.
To prove to the world how virtuous they are, the Bushies will soon go to the United Nations and ask for its cooperation in letting us throttle Iran. Their request will be couched in terms making it impossible for the U.N. to comply. When the U.N. rejects the insincere entreaty, the Bushies will badmouth it, and then declare that circumstances have become so dire that America must once again go it alone.
And then the bombs will burst in air, and the rockets will red glare.
I dearly hope I am wrong in my predictions, but it seems that history, and the pathological predilections of the Bush administration, make an attack on Iran inevitable.
Harley Sorensen, Special to SF Gate.com
Monday, February 14, 2005
To prove to the world how virtuous they are, the Bushies will soon go to the United Nations and ask for its cooperation in letting us throttle Iran. Their request will be couched in terms making it impossible for the U.N. to comply. When the U.N. rejects the insincere entreaty, the Bushies will badmouth it, and then declare that circumstances have become so dire that America must once again go it alone.
And then the bombs will burst in air, and the rockets will red glare.
I dearly hope I am wrong in my predictions, but it seems that history, and the pathological predilections of the Bush administration, make an attack on Iran inevitable.
Harley Sorensen, Special to SF Gate.com
Monday, February 14, 2005
Are you all comfortable with a nuclear armed Iran?
Or is this just Yank bashing? ( good fun I might add ).
A likely scenario is Iranian intermediate range ballistic missiles, entrusted not into air force, but with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. The same unit that quells rebellion and protest in Iran with miltary force and whose foreign arm is aligned and provides training for Hiballah, Islamic Jihad and the murder in the Sudan.
So, when Iran becomes wealthy courtesy of China buying up it's huge gas/oil reserves ( whilst earlier vetoing UN action against Iran's weapons program )and the Revolution disintegrates, those entrusted and set up to PROTECT the revolution are left with the prospect of hanging from lamp posts or unleashing their terror.
A final hurrah by the mad Mullahs of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard ( whose units cleared Iraqi minefields with thousands of young boys in the name of Jihad ) would be to strike Israel or US supporting Gulf states with nuclear weapons. All in the name of religion.
JJflyer
Incredibly self-righteous and anti- American post.
I assume you are from Finland. Militarily, the Italians of Scandanavia!
I did not note any Americans in the Waffen SS. However Finland had it's own SS battalions. The retreat from Russia was brutal - say no more .
Tristar
Why do you feel the need to bring Judaism into the debate? Would my religion matter?
Or is this just Yank bashing? ( good fun I might add ).
A likely scenario is Iranian intermediate range ballistic missiles, entrusted not into air force, but with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. The same unit that quells rebellion and protest in Iran with miltary force and whose foreign arm is aligned and provides training for Hiballah, Islamic Jihad and the murder in the Sudan.
So, when Iran becomes wealthy courtesy of China buying up it's huge gas/oil reserves ( whilst earlier vetoing UN action against Iran's weapons program )and the Revolution disintegrates, those entrusted and set up to PROTECT the revolution are left with the prospect of hanging from lamp posts or unleashing their terror.
A final hurrah by the mad Mullahs of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard ( whose units cleared Iraqi minefields with thousands of young boys in the name of Jihad ) would be to strike Israel or US supporting Gulf states with nuclear weapons. All in the name of religion.
JJflyer
Incredibly self-righteous and anti- American post.
I assume you are from Finland. Militarily, the Italians of Scandanavia!
I did not note any Americans in the Waffen SS. However Finland had it's own SS battalions. The retreat from Russia was brutal - say no more .
Tristar
Why do you feel the need to bring Judaism into the debate? Would my religion matter?
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I would be very comfortable with nuclear armed Iran as long as Israel has the same right. Why would they be allowed to have nukes and whole world is playing dumb like they don't exist? Why not the same international pressures on Jewish state to came forward with their nuclear program and get rid of it? In that case we could have nuclear free Middle East and pressure on Iran would be justified. I don't see a reason why one side would be allowed to have nukes and others denied the same right.
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Why do you feel the need to bring Judaism into the debate? Would my religion matter?
The whole point of mentioning your religion is to confirm that I have nothing against it, and unlike you I am not bashing other peoples religion or any particular religious sect within that religion.
Please stop going off in a tangent, go back and read all my previous posts and reply to them.
By the way the invitation for the coffee is still open, maybe I can knock some sense into you without the use of any nuclear weapons.
Why do you feel the need to bring Judaism into the debate? Would my religion matter?
The whole point of mentioning your religion is to confirm that I have nothing against it, and unlike you I am not bashing other peoples religion or any particular religious sect within that religion.
Please stop going off in a tangent, go back and read all my previous posts and reply to them.
By the way the invitation for the coffee is still open, maybe I can knock some sense into you without the use of any nuclear weapons.