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Old 15th Feb 2005, 11:01
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There you go again- "my" religion. That is what it is all about isn't it? Islam verus Judaism.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is a regime. It openly advocates the destruction of Israel and despite funding and training of terrorists, has failed. It is developing nuclear weapons to force it's influence in the region, defend itself against US aggression, replace block obsolescence in it's conventional military and quite possibly, threaten Israel.

Israel will be twitchy on it's nuclear trigger with open threats from Iran.

Iran can not be allowed to have nuclear weapons as this Islam versus Judaism thing could bring unprecedented suffering to the region.

I must decline your invitation for coffee; your part of the world too risky!

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Dear Gnadenburg just a few comments on your critique.


Incredibly self-righteous and anti- American post.

I assume you are from Finland. Militarily, the Italians of Scandanavia!

I did not note any Americans in the Waffen SS. However Finland had it's own SS battalions. The retreat from Russia was brutal - say no more
First. Post was a direct response to a post by another member on this forum. You think I'd be serving rosy compliments? There's a limit and I have reached the end of my understaniding of Dubyas politics. However it might be justified to say that my first post on this subject was "Bit" sharp. Do not mix anti-Bush and anti US-politics with being anti-American people (Excluded the 51% for Gdubya).

Second. Your assesment of Finland militarily is as bad as your knowledge of history of the region. Just open a history book next time.

Third. Finland did have ONE batallion in the Waffen-SS between spring 1941 and spring 1943. Batallion was on the fromt from December 1941 to January 1943.
Sending a Batallion to Germany was a political desicion for one part to obtain equipment from Germany and have security guarantees for keeping Soviets busy South of Leningrad.
Again open a history book...

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Could we just get back on track on this and talk how attack on Iran and Syria affects US living in Middle-East, please!

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Exclamation Guys, cool down, let's focus...

Guys!!,

Let's focus on the matter, 'cos by the time this american "corrective" action starts, none of us will even think about the Luftwaffe, the SS, or Scandinavian Countries.

The object of this forum is to evaluate the consequencies of this in the region's airline industry and our daily lives.

What it was stated as a crazy subject, and paranoic, by some of you one month ago, now is getting worst and worst ....

I've last week on to Doha, Qatar, and I saw and HEARD the distinctive Falcons around, even the international Apt and over the gulf.

This is what the press is saying nowadays: >>>

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Iran to aid Syria against threats

Syria and Iran said they were facing "numerous challenges"
Iran has vowed to back Syria against "challenges and threats" as both countries face strong US pressure.
"We are ready to help Syria on all grounds to confront threats," Iranian Vice-President Mohammad Reza Aref said after meeting Syrian PM Naji al-Otari.

But Washington said that if Iran and Syria had aimed their remarks at the US they were "misreading the issue".

Both countries should focus on meeting their international obligations, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

"Their problem is not with the United States, it's with the international community. Both Syria and Iran ... need to abide by the commitments they have made," he said.

The US has accused Tehran of seeking nuclear weapons and has withdrawn its envoy to Damascus.

To point to Syria in a terrorist act that aims at destabilising both Syria and Lebanon is truly like blaming the US for 9/11

Buthaina Shaaban
Syrian cabinet minister

US tensions with Syria soared after Monday's killing of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri in a bombing, although Washington has not directly accused Damascus of responsibility.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told a Senate foreign affairs committee hearing the decision to recall the ambassador was a culmination of a "long series of problems" with Syria - notably allegations that Damascus has harboured Iraqi insurgents and allowed them to cross into Iraq to fight against US troops.

Earlier, the Russian Defence Ministry confirmed it was discussing the possibility of selling missiles to Syria.

Talks are said to be focusing on a short-range anti-aircraft missile system, known as Strelets.

'Numerous challenges'

Washington is considering new sanctions against Syria because of its refusal to withdraw its 14,000 troops from Lebanon.



US Assistant Secretary of State William Burns, visiting Beirut for Mr Hariri's funeral on Wednesday, called for a "complete and immediate withdrawal".

But Syrian Expatriate Affairs Minister Buthaina Shaaban said she was "baffled" by the US reaction to the killing.

"To point to Syria in a terrorist act that aims at destabilising both Syria and Lebanon is truly like blaming the US for 9/11," she told the BBC.

The minister said Mr Hariri had been a "great ally" to Syria and his death was "a scandal against Syria and against Lebanon".

'Not US enemies'

BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus says the Syrian authorities are looking increasingly isolated, with only the Iranians speaking up on their behalf.

In Tehran, Syrian Prime Minister Otari said his meeting with the Iranian leadership was taking place at a "very important and delicate time, with Syria and Iran facing numerous challenges".

Iran's vice-president said his country would stand with Syria.

"Our Syrian brothers are facing specific threats and we hope they can benefit from our experience. We are ready to give them any help necessary," Mr Aref said.

However, Syria's ambassador in the US denied that the common front was an alliance against Washington.

"We are not the enemies of the United States, and we do not want to be drawn into such an enmity," Imad Moustapha told CNN.

Washington has hinted it may take military action against Iran over its nuclear programme, which the US says is aimed at producing a bomb.
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Gnadenburg

Surely your post should read

"...that state of countries AFTER British and French colonialism..."
...or Dutch... or Spanish...or Portuguese... or Italian...

Meanwhile back to the thread....


I hope the US or Israelis attack Iran soon because the EU negoitiators are Political Eunuchs.

I hope the Lebbo's ask the UN/EU/NATO to remove the useless and impotent 14,000 Syrian "peacekeepers" (p1sstakers morelike).

That a renegade terrorist group takes responsibility for the Beirut Bomb otherwise it will smell of a "State Sanctioned Act" with fingers pointing at either Syria (to wield their big stick of influence at the domestic calls for their withdrawl) or Iran (to deflect Outside World attentionfrom its intentions. Or a joint effort... and then we are in trouble.

Oh and Gnadenberg the battle to come is Islam vs. Everybody else.


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Old 18th Feb 2005, 08:10
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Danger State sanctioned terrorism

That a renegade terrorist group takes responsibility for the Beirut Bomb otherwise it will smell of a "State Sanctioned Act" with fingers pointing at either Syria (to wield their big stick of influence at the domestic calls for their withdrawl) or Iran (to deflect Outside World attentionfrom its intentions.
Or a joint effort of ISRAEL and the USA .... and then we are in trouble.

Boy are we in trouble then, you bet!
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US policy towards Syria has less to do with “the war on terror” and more to do with the Mosul – Haifa oil pipeline. Re-opening this link will not only allow US tankers to access Iraqi sweet crude in the Med instead of the more dangerous Gulf, but would also give Israel access to Iraqi oil freeing them from depending on Russian oil.

Only days before the war in Iraq, Israeli Infrastructure Minister Joseph Paritzky referred to the war in Iraq as being critical to “providing Israel with alternative energy sources.”

Both the US and Israel clearly have a stake in demonizing Syria. But not for the reasons being reported.

Standby to see Israeli bombers dropping newly acquired JDAM’s on “terrorist training camps” in Syria.
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If it were to transpire not too much we can do.
Pointing fingers wont do us much good.
I do continue to see the US government advising us to urgently leave.
In the mean time I do not see them telling us that we will help you find a job once returning home.
Our safety on one hand they put out the warnings, If we did follow their advice we would be in the unemployment lines.
Only then to tell us we dont qauilify because we worked abroad.
Better off to be a Mexican, swim across the river, be a illegal imagrant, then we would get a drivers license, quailify for welfare and be assisted with government housing.
So much for being a honest working American.
Some how I feel that if every American could experiance what we go through as an expat then things would change.
Most of our money goes back home to fuel the economyand we are not blocking jobs for other Americans.
Yet I do understand that these fanatics cannot be allowed to threaten the world with these weapons.
This I have to agree with.
I dont know how 911 effected you, but it really took a big hit over the most of us.
We had good flying jobs with good contracts, even as an expat.
Now most of these companies took advantage in the downturn of the industry and use this to their advantage.
We are coming back but its a long uphill battle.
Lets not go back down that road again by not doing anything.

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Old 20th Feb 2005, 04:48
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Question Bush admitted a possible attack ...

Ladies and Gentlemen,

Unluckily Mr Bush admitted the real possibility and intentions of attacking Iran, mostly sure followed by Syria...

I Wonder if the people that hasn't been in the Middle East, understand what does it mean.

Specially, when we talk about still quite nuked Iran. ALMOST ALL THE COASTAL COUNTRIES IN THE GULF ARE IN RANGE.

UAE, QATAR, BAHRAIN, KUWAIT...

I don't know haw the things are gonna be, but i suppose is not funny at all..., and we'll definitly have to flee...

I did also lost my job for 9-11, so I understand what you guys are talking about.

The worst thing is that Iran has missiles, and the intention of attacking back, and my fear is attack ON CIVILIANS on the Arab US supporter countries.

Just think that Iranian maritime boundary line is not much far than 80 NM from UAE and Qatari territorial water.

LEt's hope eve'thing is solved the diplomatic way.

INSHA'LLAH!....


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I know we entered the war late but alot of our people gave there lives and if I listened to you guys we did nothing to help in WW2. This is an anti American web-site , you hate our airplanes and our people. You would like to see us sent packing in Iraq and it is nice to sit and play monday morning quaterback from your home PC. But we! Not you were attacked on Sept 11 and the war on terror is what this is all about.. Several countries said Iraq had WMD before the war not just the USA. Several troops form Iraq were cought in the first few days of the war with chem-gear!! Why is that when we do not use Chem-weapons?

You guys love to hate Americans us Americans only want not to live through another 9-11. I am sorry if you do not agree but that is the way I feel. We give alot to the world in the way of aid what do you do to help?? Nothing all you do is complain about what we do.. If you have a better way of dealing with things than step up and deal with it.. The view is always better from the cheap seats!!

Before you all tell me that you live in the middle east and I don't know what you are going through!! I have been ther and done that and loved it.

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The facts are that the Iranians will develop nuclear weapons unless the US or Israel stop them, which I don't think will happen. Even if they bomb them they won't destroy them: they are too well hidden in various underground bunkers. Once Iran has them they will start to threaten there neighbours and it will precipitate a nuclear arms race in the ME. I also don't think the mullah's regime will fall; it is too well established in most facets of life in Iran and still has a far amount of popular support.

The other source of instability is the unsustainable rate of population growth in KSA, Egypt, Oman etc. Over the next 50 years these countries are projected to record some of the highest rates in the world. Poverty will grow. It is already there in KSA. The UNDEP have been working there for several years in poverty alleviation programmes. Large numbers of unemployed young men living in poverty. A breeding ground for the next generation of terrorists.

In the short term take a job and the money that goes with it - but I certainly wouldn't buy a house there (apart from the dodgy construction standards).
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Talking Anti American website

Bovine excrement SIDMAN
Go and educate yourself first, and hopefully not from those mediawhores ABCNBCFOXCNN etc which sell the bovine excrement wholesale 24 hours daily!
Prevent another 911 then G.W. Bush should not have voted in again
I hope you feel good in your comfy chair with thousands of our boys dying in utter stupid, useless war in Iraq. THERE WERE NEVER ANY WMD's, even the US government admits it now! Maybe they find it in IRAN
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FC, you don't get it do you - revolution in KSA = no oil =world shortage = world slump 1930's style .
That was the logic behind going into Iraq. However,as Thomas Friedman nealty put in a recent article, the USA's appetite for oil is creating its trade deficit and funding some of the people who would like to destroy it. Why can't you all drive compact turbo diesels like most of Europe, then you wouldn't need Middle Eastern oil. Then I might be out of a job - not such a good idea after all.......
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Don't get it?

Yeah sure, a revolution in KSA! Who? Al Qaida or even Osama Bin Laden (have to dig him out, haven't seen him since Bush's vote fraud 2004). What a load of bovine excrement. Does nobody see what these gang in Washington is planning for our future? 911-Afganistan-Iraq-....Iran?
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Danger U.S. gives Israel “go-ahead” to strike

What a surprise! First Syria.

U.S. gives Israel “go-ahead” to strike Syria
3/2/2005 4:45:00 PM GMT


"We will be prepared to talk with others ... with the Israelis", Rice said

Bush’s administration gave Israel the go-ahead to attack Syria in retaliation to Tel Aviv bombing that took place last weekend, killing 5 Israelis, the Hebrew daily ‘Yediot Ahronot’ reported.

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/new...ervice_id=7210
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You appear to be implying that the US planned 9/11. There is little point in reasoned debate with you then.

Interesting you have to keep on mentioning excrement. Freudian slip?

I agree with you, sound analysis, the regime in KSA is extremely stable, that's why they have been targeting and killing Westerners, as in fact Al Jazeera encourages it listeners to do in the Arabic broadcasts.
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You did not read the article

It is not Aljazeera that is claiming this new but the Israeli newspaper: Hebrew daily ‘Yediot Ahronot’
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shame on you

shame on you mr. bush!

how long you want to fool the world. amerika, please open your eyes.

UN troops are in the middle east region since 30 years.
but now, imidiately Syria is gonna be a enemy??????

oh, i forgot the way to the mediteran sea. i´m sure you gonna do a good busines when the oil goes direct through pipes.

what will be your next target? the world?

regard

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Old 13th Mar 2005, 00:06
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Anyone's Country ..!!...

Any country with enough crude will be next!.....
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Unhappy Conequences of discussed before

Hello guys,

Apparently what we talked before, about Terrorism, US, Petroleum, and Misc, is taking its first real Effect on the emerging aviation market in the ME.

Sadly, a car bomb hit Doha, killing 1 injuring others.

So... this is the concequence of all discussed before.

I think we are starting to see an expansion in the Insurgents movements, with the same violence that they have in Irak, in the Middle Eastern US allies.

And as I thought it could happen, the aviation market is directly affected by this matter.

DOH is the HUB of Qatar Airways. I hope we don't have to hear more of this on this Area...

Bye.
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Yes, it's ALL the fault of the US and no one else is responsible for their own actions. What a get out.
I wonder if Al Jazeera is calling that suicide bomber a martyr like the ones in Palestine and Iraq. I wonder if the Saudi Ambassador is writing a poem about him as he did about the Palestinian girl suicide bomber.
Funny isn't it, when it's on your own doorstep it isn't so glamorous. I wonder which Gulf State is next....
BTW, the US only sources about 20% of its oil from the
Middle East, unlike Europe.
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