Etihad...they gotta be kidding
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95kAED for a housing allowance for a captain.........
Its just NOT enough for any sort of decent housing. Ring Mark at Chestertons and see what that will get you. If you need a family house in a reasonable area (close to perhaps The British School) then you'll end up subsidising your house from your own money.
95kAED for a housing allowance for a captain.........
Its just NOT enough for any sort of decent housing. Ring Mark at Chestertons and see what that will get you. If you need a family house in a reasonable area (close to perhaps The British School) then you'll end up subsidising your house from your own money.
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The Etihad package presented above sounds pretty good compared to the EK one. Most of the guys from EK that have looked though have found that there is not much in it. That is probably because no one has looked into how valuable the allowances are relative to the costs of schools, houses etc; so what is really the case?
At EK a DEC starts on about 26500 AED and an F/O on 17000. That equates to $7200 and $4600 / month
The EK housing allowance is 95k for an F/O and 105k for a Captain, similar to Etihad. The EK schooling package sounds more generous and the company puts some cash (12%) into a provident fund. Does Etihad have something similar?
If the Etihad school allowance covers the cost and the housing rents in Abu Dhabi are similar to Dubai it would appear that an Etihad F/O is about 21% better off and a Captain 25% even allowing for the 12% provident fund contribution.
If the Etihad package is really much better, EK might start to struggle even more to get crews. I would guess though that if you tried to move from EK to Etihad you would probably pick up an employment ban.
At EK a DEC starts on about 26500 AED and an F/O on 17000. That equates to $7200 and $4600 / month
The EK housing allowance is 95k for an F/O and 105k for a Captain, similar to Etihad. The EK schooling package sounds more generous and the company puts some cash (12%) into a provident fund. Does Etihad have something similar?
If the Etihad school allowance covers the cost and the housing rents in Abu Dhabi are similar to Dubai it would appear that an Etihad F/O is about 21% better off and a Captain 25% even allowing for the 12% provident fund contribution.
If the Etihad package is really much better, EK might start to struggle even more to get crews. I would guess though that if you tried to move from EK to Etihad you would probably pick up an employment ban.
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unfortunately housing in AUH is not comparable to the rest of the Gulf, more like Manhattan....there USED to be a difference if one accepted the provided house in AUH, or lower if one "takes the money and runs" not sure now
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I'm glad some are increasingly checking things out.
The money they say they pay is not the problem. The problem is the money you end up paying and that they don't tell you about... in any interview and you won't even think about until you are faced with it already in. What do you then if you don't like it, and all this after resigning from your other "crappy" job?
It's very inportant to get the facts and not the wish "dream" list. I'm repeating myself here and basing this posting (as the ones before) on a married status guy with a family in AUH. Many of you are possibly family men, or may be not (???). Things may be different for single (actual single) or geographically single.
Despite someone's criticism of my figures and after all, they are too far out, here we go again with a recap the inportant stuff outside flying business:
- AUH specifically has a strong shortage of quality housing for the allowance applicable; and it'll continue for many yrs to come. What can you get with 90 or 95K realistically?
- Education allowance from a good school is more than 18 or 19K and let alone the UAE DH exchange rate.
- EY health insurance policy... Ask someone working there what the new version is all about and what it covers (or about what it does NOT cover).
These are the basics... Let's leave the other things out (we shouldn't really, but...) for the time being, i.e. Life style cause that's up to each and everyone to do what they wish. I can tell you that the cost of living is not much cheaper than in some European, North American or Australasian countries. Obviously, I am not including car or fuel prices.
If you put altogether the main stuff, the end of the month balance is not going to look very pretty.
Yet again I remind you all that everything depends on where you come from. As many pointed out, it's very good for some, many more will fly in and I've got nothing against it. That's the normal way of life. We all look to inprove our lives (personal and professional) and good luck to those we can achieve that the sooner... Happy flying !!!
The money they say they pay is not the problem. The problem is the money you end up paying and that they don't tell you about... in any interview and you won't even think about until you are faced with it already in. What do you then if you don't like it, and all this after resigning from your other "crappy" job?
It's very inportant to get the facts and not the wish "dream" list. I'm repeating myself here and basing this posting (as the ones before) on a married status guy with a family in AUH. Many of you are possibly family men, or may be not (???). Things may be different for single (actual single) or geographically single.
Despite someone's criticism of my figures and after all, they are too far out, here we go again with a recap the inportant stuff outside flying business:
- AUH specifically has a strong shortage of quality housing for the allowance applicable; and it'll continue for many yrs to come. What can you get with 90 or 95K realistically?
- Education allowance from a good school is more than 18 or 19K and let alone the UAE DH exchange rate.
- EY health insurance policy... Ask someone working there what the new version is all about and what it covers (or about what it does NOT cover).
These are the basics... Let's leave the other things out (we shouldn't really, but...) for the time being, i.e. Life style cause that's up to each and everyone to do what they wish. I can tell you that the cost of living is not much cheaper than in some European, North American or Australasian countries. Obviously, I am not including car or fuel prices.
If you put altogether the main stuff, the end of the month balance is not going to look very pretty.
Yet again I remind you all that everything depends on where you come from. As many pointed out, it's very good for some, many more will fly in and I've got nothing against it. That's the normal way of life. We all look to inprove our lives (personal and professional) and good luck to those we can achieve that the sooner... Happy flying !!!
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"I would guess though that if you tried to move from EK to Etihad you would probably pick up an employment ban"....Cerberus
Interesting that you would mention that. Read an article by a lawyer in the Gulf News this week, and it stated that Pilots are one of nine "categories" excluded from the six month employment ban. Good news for those looking to jump from the frying pan into the fire.
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Interesting that you would mention that. Read an article by a lawyer in the Gulf News this week, and it stated that Pilots are one of nine "categories" excluded from the six month employment ban. Good news for those looking to jump from the frying pan into the fire.
V
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Hate to say it but even with the "Ban" issue clarified, you STILL need a NOC from your own company to go along with the change in employers. So even if the ban is out of the way, you can guess the rest...
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Coaster: I don't believe there is a no poaching agreement (unlike with Qartar) as it doesn't explain how Cabin Crew have moved over very easily... ?
More info required me thinks!
More info required me thinks!
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Make no bones about it.
EK will not issue a "no objection letter" if they see any significant number drifting to EY.
Whether they banned cabin crew or not will make zero difference to pilots or any future cabin crew heading to AUH.
There is a distinct difference between an employment ban and an NOC.
GN
EK will not issue a "no objection letter" if they see any significant number drifting to EY.
Whether they banned cabin crew or not will make zero difference to pilots or any future cabin crew heading to AUH.
There is a distinct difference between an employment ban and an NOC.
GN
and the bean countres are doing a grand JOB
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I-Ford:
Plenty of 777 pilots willing to work 90 hour plus per month at 52+ years to add to a pension that is more than the pay at EK? Get a grip. If they are out there why haven't they come in more numbers? Ans: The work and the package isn't worth it.
If you think that EK and other airlines in the Gulf are just a good crack to liven up your retirement then you and your sort will have a surprise in store.
You get a pension more than most pilots can earn on the job these days...stay retired.
The best source of 777/330/340 drivers is EK itself. It wouldn't take that much to beat the EK package as it stands & to encourage pilots to leave. Experienced Capts are already leaving for the RHS and others back to Europe before the $/Euro-£ bridge is burnt for good.
It's a good time for a start up airline who require young, experienced drivers on the above types...if EK doesn't want them then others will.
Plenty of 777 pilots willing to work 90 hour plus per month at 52+ years to add to a pension that is more than the pay at EK? Get a grip. If they are out there why haven't they come in more numbers? Ans: The work and the package isn't worth it.
If you think that EK and other airlines in the Gulf are just a good crack to liven up your retirement then you and your sort will have a surprise in store.
You get a pension more than most pilots can earn on the job these days...stay retired.
The best source of 777/330/340 drivers is EK itself. It wouldn't take that much to beat the EK package as it stands & to encourage pilots to leave. Experienced Capts are already leaving for the RHS and others back to Europe before the $/Euro-£ bridge is burnt for good.
It's a good time for a start up airline who require young, experienced drivers on the above types...if EK doesn't want them then others will.
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Back to the original subject......No the pay package is not enough. If you are like BBB and have no kids, no responsibilities then it might be ok. But if you don't want to live in a hotel and have to have a villa, you have to subsidize it anywhere from 5-30 thousand Dirhams, plus utilities. The numbers he gives for the package are accurate. He knows because he has something to do with going over the resumes in the office. (Maybe hoping for a faster upgrade?)
And if you have kids, you will have to subsidize their schooling as well.
One of the only groups now that this is attractive too, is the MAS guys. So of the last 30 or so pilots hired most of them came from.... you guessed it MAS.
But, as with most things in this area, hopefully it will get better. Inshalla.
And if you have kids, you will have to subsidize their schooling as well.
One of the only groups now that this is attractive too, is the MAS guys. So of the last 30 or so pilots hired most of them came from.... you guessed it MAS.
But, as with most things in this area, hopefully it will get better. Inshalla.
just a quaetion
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The MAS pilots have a clear advantage over western pilots; The Malaysian currency is pegged to the dollar. They are protected against currency fluctuations as the rate between the Dirham and Ringgit is fixed.
If the Malaysian gvt decides to depeg, and if (as most seem to believe) the Ringgit is undervalued, they could be looking at an instant pay cut of 10-40%.
Pure speculation, but there are strong rumors they may let the Ringgit float sometime this year.
If the Malaysian gvt decides to depeg, and if (as most seem to believe) the Ringgit is undervalued, they could be looking at an instant pay cut of 10-40%.
Pure speculation, but there are strong rumors they may let the Ringgit float sometime this year.
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Airbus34065,
just remind me A. where i have no responsiblities
B. Where I work, you sure?
I do know stuff, and do work for Etihad, but not sure about your comment.
Thanks. my moan is over.
just remind me A. where i have no responsiblities
B. Where I work, you sure?
I do know stuff, and do work for Etihad, but not sure about your comment.
Thanks. my moan is over.
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I would like to know where all you guys earn 10k in dollars per month after tax? Most UK airlines pay 65k as an average per annum which after Mr Brown takes his cut is a lot less than Etihad pay. I have done the sums and would be quids in working in Abu rather than my present UK position, even with a family so long as you rent your present UK home rather than sell up and not cut all ties you could return without being priced out of the property market.
Also where else do you get the possibility for direct entry command with relatively low A330 experience.
Plus if the us dollar strengthens Bingo!
Also where else do you get the possibility for direct entry command with relatively low A330 experience.
Plus if the us dollar strengthens Bingo!