Emirates... or not?
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The thing most people on here are saying is the UAE is different than their home country (in my case OZ). I wouldn't stay here for 10 or 15 years, but with two young kids getting their education paid for, and living in a largely crime free country and the chance to see a culture close up they would never get the chance to back home, I think the kids and I are benefitting from the experience.
As all the guys have said, either on the positive or the negative, the UAE is a personal choice, and will not suit everyone. My advice if you know anyone living out here, make the smart investment of at least a week or two out here, just living the life and see what you think. I personally love it. The beer is cold and the weather is fantastic (even the summer is sort of ok once you get used to it.)
And just finally to the guy who commented about not wanting to fly for ettihad due to the need to live in Abu Dhabi. I agree that if you live in Dubai it's hard to justify a visit to AUH, but most people living here who have sampled both cities, swear by the fact that AUH is a more family friendly city, and a more liveable city in general. Traffic jams are non-existent, the schools are easy to get into, cheaper, and from most reports of a more consistantly higher standard than Dubai's, there is still heaps of great restaurants, the nightlife is ok, and the "Club" is a cheap and well appointed club. So Abu Dhabi , while maybe not as wild or exciting as Dubai, is still not a bad place to live.
As all the guys have said, either on the positive or the negative, the UAE is a personal choice, and will not suit everyone. My advice if you know anyone living out here, make the smart investment of at least a week or two out here, just living the life and see what you think. I personally love it. The beer is cold and the weather is fantastic (even the summer is sort of ok once you get used to it.)
And just finally to the guy who commented about not wanting to fly for ettihad due to the need to live in Abu Dhabi. I agree that if you live in Dubai it's hard to justify a visit to AUH, but most people living here who have sampled both cities, swear by the fact that AUH is a more family friendly city, and a more liveable city in general. Traffic jams are non-existent, the schools are easy to get into, cheaper, and from most reports of a more consistantly higher standard than Dubai's, there is still heaps of great restaurants, the nightlife is ok, and the "Club" is a cheap and well appointed club. So Abu Dhabi , while maybe not as wild or exciting as Dubai, is still not a bad place to live.
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Okay...so maybe a bit detailed but the guy needs to get as much info as poss.And yes,coming out and staying with a mate in his house for a week or so gives small taste of real life outside shiny new hotels.Regarding my post,i'm not saying Dubai is better than UK,just very different.We were very settled but wanted to make move while Family still young and move on to avoid same 'life' for the next 20 years.It's not everyones cup of tea and yes,there are some things that i miss.Strangely,rain being one of them,and pubs and the countryside and ....... but personally,Arabic coffee is tasting nice so far!
Okay...so maybe a bit detailed but the guy needs to get as much info as poss.And yes,coming out and staying with a mate in his house for a week or so gives small taste of real life outside shiny new hotels.Regarding my post,i'm not saying Dubai is better than UK,just very different.We were very settled but wanted to make move while Family still young and move on to avoid same 'life' for the next 20 years.It's not everyones cup of tea and yes,there are some things that i miss.Strangely,rain being one of them,and pubs and the countryside and ....... but personally,Arabic coffee is tasting nice so far!
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BYMONEK - very god post matey. I agree with all you've said, although in the past I've been accused of having the old rose-tinted. It's what you make of it guys!!!!! And seriously, if you don't like working here then get on an aeroplane and GO.....
I'm not saying that everything's perfect at EK, but every airline has issues. And with a 100 odd aircraft to come to the airline in the next eight years you'll have your command in three years.
Yes, lot's of night flying - it's a LONG HAUL airline
My family and I still having a great time in Dubai, all these months after being told I was talking sh1te. Sorry to disappoint you doom mongers.
I've personally seen far worse driving in Brussels than here in Dubai, although there are some real corkers here it has to be said
I'm not saying that everything's perfect at EK, but every airline has issues. And with a 100 odd aircraft to come to the airline in the next eight years you'll have your command in three years.
Yes, lot's of night flying - it's a LONG HAUL airline
My family and I still having a great time in Dubai, all these months after being told I was talking sh1te. Sorry to disappoint you doom mongers.
I've personally seen far worse driving in Brussels than here in Dubai, although there are some real corkers here it has to be said
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Be very careful on how your interpretation the post of BYMONEK.
Dubai is a big theme park and yes they have all the nice stuff he mentions but it's there for the tourists who have a go at it for a couple f weeks.
You kids will be moaning al the time while in fact they have to make their homework. It's very expensive too and in the summer it's useless, the whole place just runs empty.
School standards are very low to a few exceptions.
Do not mess up your life for a few years f sunshine or a quick command that will take you away from your family for days flying 16 hr sectors.
Dubai is a place for bachelors and selfish ego trippers with the exception of a few but they are very rare believe me.
Also medical standards are very low. I had my youngest son poisoned and refused by EK clinic since it was closing time. Other colleagues were nearly operated for no reason whatsoever, after running away from he lace to Europe the doc saw tat here was nothing wrong at all. In the UAE they cut you open just to make a few bucks.
I am about to finish my book on all his with names, reports and facts that cannot be manipulated as is often he case on PPRuNe.
Be very careful on how your interpretation the post of BYMONEK.
Dubai is a big theme park and yes they have all the nice stuff he mentions but it's there for the tourists who have a go at it for a couple f weeks.
You kids will be moaning al the time while in fact they have to make their homework. It's very expensive too and in the summer it's useless, the whole place just runs empty.
School standards are very low to a few exceptions.
Do not mess up your life for a few years f sunshine or a quick command that will take you away from your family for days flying 16 hr sectors.
Dubai is a place for bachelors and selfish ego trippers with the exception of a few but they are very rare believe me.
Also medical standards are very low. I had my youngest son poisoned and refused by EK clinic since it was closing time. Other colleagues were nearly operated for no reason whatsoever, after running away from he lace to Europe the doc saw tat here was nothing wrong at all. In the UAE they cut you open just to make a few bucks.
I am about to finish my book on all his with names, reports and facts that cannot be manipulated as is often he case on PPRuNe.
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White Knight seems to be a typical fatality of EK. I do not know his past but basically one does not leave a healthy European Airline to go to the Middle East, so I leave this issue open.
It is clear and even normal that in such a fast growing environment as the UAE things are bound to get overlooked or mismanaged.
There is plenty of evidence on PPRuNe that this is the case at EK but that is not the real issue.
The real issue is that soon or later because of this, you might have a difference of opinion; could be in any field. The way these differences of opinion are handled is the real problem.
In an Airline with so many different cultures and backgrounds this needs special attention by people with the right qualifications and personality. I am not saying that these individuals are not there but they are not always in power and if they are they have to be very careful not to act against the system.
It’s all about money and power and almost never about a genuine cooperation to make things better. Yes, things do improve from time to time, but only at a moment when the one who initiates the change can take credit for it. Very often the idea comes from someone else who with a lot of patience and tactics managed to convince a superior to change things.
What has happened to the guys involved in the A 340 incident, nobody knows. PPRuNe has gone completely silent.
White knight has been very cooperative on that tread in delivering some data. Data that would never have seen the light if I had not pushed him a bit to do so. But that is how it works at EK, do not expect an open and hones constructive debate on anything.
In the end other PPRuNers opened the can of worms and the conclusion was that the crew did not even land on the longest runway available after mishandling the rotation for whatever reason. It was only because I criticized the crew that other PPRuNers, in their defense, came up with some real and genuine information. Information, that in the end may safe the reputation of the crew.
People are too scared to show their opinion in such an environment, the price you pay for that is simply too high. That’s the real difference with Europe. Although there are many Europeans in Dubai, basically they are there only for the money and that makes them so protective and closed about the decisions they make.
Everybody tries to be friendly to everybody because they do not want to reveal what they really think; therefore you will never really get a complete picture.
On the psychological level, there are quit some managers and trainers that are not very sure about what they are doing, this makes them so defensive, as true sign of their vulnerability.
There are things they do not know and are afraid to ask because of the risk of exposing themselves. I managed to tap into that by getting their confidence and that’s how I got into the inner circle very quickly.
I somehow sacrificed myself by asking the questions they were afraid to ask and as a consequence we made some quick progress on many issues. It’s because of jealousy and greediness of those that were not involved that I got into trouble and that the system showed it’s true face.
If in the end you decide to go to EK then I hope that this information will serve you to navigate around the cliff’s and maybe, just maybe this post will serve to many about to made that decision in a prudent and balanced way.
Personally I give a lot of credit to those that show their real feelings about things. They may not always be right, but most of the time they are genuine and that’s what counts.
Those that are charming and friendly to everybody usually have something to hide. So if you get an interview, just be honest to yourself and ask the questions you really want to ask. If then EK does not take you, you have no reason to regret anything.
Dungfunnel
You are right; the UAE accepts the rating from any ICAO country. EK is desperate for crews and you may be babysitting for a long time. The fact is that things are going too fast at EK and that is not very healthy. Slow and prudent growth is the way to success.
However in the UAE they may get away with it because of the huge amount of money the have to repair the mistakes. But it is not easy to change the foundations of a building that is already there while everybody is saying no problem I will fix it. The tread on the ATC delays is another symptom of this problem.
max AB
THe EK management is from....yes....the UK
It is clear and even normal that in such a fast growing environment as the UAE things are bound to get overlooked or mismanaged.
There is plenty of evidence on PPRuNe that this is the case at EK but that is not the real issue.
The real issue is that soon or later because of this, you might have a difference of opinion; could be in any field. The way these differences of opinion are handled is the real problem.
In an Airline with so many different cultures and backgrounds this needs special attention by people with the right qualifications and personality. I am not saying that these individuals are not there but they are not always in power and if they are they have to be very careful not to act against the system.
It’s all about money and power and almost never about a genuine cooperation to make things better. Yes, things do improve from time to time, but only at a moment when the one who initiates the change can take credit for it. Very often the idea comes from someone else who with a lot of patience and tactics managed to convince a superior to change things.
What has happened to the guys involved in the A 340 incident, nobody knows. PPRuNe has gone completely silent.
White knight has been very cooperative on that tread in delivering some data. Data that would never have seen the light if I had not pushed him a bit to do so. But that is how it works at EK, do not expect an open and hones constructive debate on anything.
In the end other PPRuNers opened the can of worms and the conclusion was that the crew did not even land on the longest runway available after mishandling the rotation for whatever reason. It was only because I criticized the crew that other PPRuNers, in their defense, came up with some real and genuine information. Information, that in the end may safe the reputation of the crew.
People are too scared to show their opinion in such an environment, the price you pay for that is simply too high. That’s the real difference with Europe. Although there are many Europeans in Dubai, basically they are there only for the money and that makes them so protective and closed about the decisions they make.
Everybody tries to be friendly to everybody because they do not want to reveal what they really think; therefore you will never really get a complete picture.
On the psychological level, there are quit some managers and trainers that are not very sure about what they are doing, this makes them so defensive, as true sign of their vulnerability.
There are things they do not know and are afraid to ask because of the risk of exposing themselves. I managed to tap into that by getting their confidence and that’s how I got into the inner circle very quickly.
I somehow sacrificed myself by asking the questions they were afraid to ask and as a consequence we made some quick progress on many issues. It’s because of jealousy and greediness of those that were not involved that I got into trouble and that the system showed it’s true face.
If in the end you decide to go to EK then I hope that this information will serve you to navigate around the cliff’s and maybe, just maybe this post will serve to many about to made that decision in a prudent and balanced way.
Personally I give a lot of credit to those that show their real feelings about things. They may not always be right, but most of the time they are genuine and that’s what counts.
Those that are charming and friendly to everybody usually have something to hide. So if you get an interview, just be honest to yourself and ask the questions you really want to ask. If then EK does not take you, you have no reason to regret anything.
Dungfunnel
You are right; the UAE accepts the rating from any ICAO country. EK is desperate for crews and you may be babysitting for a long time. The fact is that things are going too fast at EK and that is not very healthy. Slow and prudent growth is the way to success.
However in the UAE they may get away with it because of the huge amount of money the have to repair the mistakes. But it is not easy to change the foundations of a building that is already there while everybody is saying no problem I will fix it. The tread on the ATC delays is another symptom of this problem.
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THe EK management is from....yes....the UK
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CAP 56, you say : "Dubai is a place for bachelors and selfish ego trippers"
Since you worked in Dubai a while ago, and you're definiteley not a bachelor, that makes you a selfish ego tripper........
Best post you've sent so far.
Since you worked in Dubai a while ago, and you're definiteley not a bachelor, that makes you a selfish ego tripper........
Best post you've sent so far.
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I believe they are doing their best, but if HH Sheikh bla bla says; “that’s what I want” nobody will say it’s not possible.
All those that are out there for a quick command will jump in the air crying “here is my command” because for him that’s all that counts. Just watch them when they get it.
Picu
If you want to quote me then do it correctly, if not you will only duscredit yourself
The intelligent reader will understand that I am talking about those that plan to leave a healthy Airline/Country in exchange for EK.
Shake; You quote
You must be very unhappy, anyway good luch with your perception of your move
All those that are out there for a quick command will jump in the air crying “here is my command” because for him that’s all that counts. Just watch them when they get it.
Picu
If you want to quote me then do it correctly, if not you will only duscredit yourself
Dubai is a place for bachelors and selfish ego trippers with the exception of a few but they are very rare believe me.
Shake; You quote
With any luck the delay will be long enough for those who were qualified once to requalify for command within the company therfore reducing the total number of DEC required.
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White Knight
Surely you have not been accused of wearing the "rose tinted" have you
Whatever next I wonder.
I was wondering whether Bymonek was you in another disguise!!
Still it is horses for courses. There will always be those who either love it or loathe it. Most once there have little chance of going anywhere else as probably Mick Jagger who is a B777 Captain at EK has probably now discovered having looked at both SQ and Dragonair. Most of us are prisoners whether willing or unwilling once we become ex-pats.
Surely you have not been accused of wearing the "rose tinted" have you
Whatever next I wonder.I was wondering whether Bymonek was you in another disguise!!
Still it is horses for courses. There will always be those who either love it or loathe it. Most once there have little chance of going anywhere else as probably Mick Jagger who is a B777 Captain at EK has probably now discovered having looked at both SQ and Dragonair. Most of us are prisoners whether willing or unwilling once we become ex-pats.
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Lies, damn lies and 'statistics"
Has to be said again:
1000 pilots at Emirates, 4 malcontents posting here. Draw your own conclusions.
I have to go clean my pool now (both maids are on holidays). That is the greatest downside I can report to my life at EK, but then I'm not Australian.
Cap 56: Your pills are in the amber bottle next to the suppositories. Take them.
1000 pilots at Emirates, 4 malcontents posting here. Draw your own conclusions.
I have to go clean my pool now (both maids are on holidays). That is the greatest downside I can report to my life at EK, but then I'm not Australian.
Cap 56: Your pills are in the amber bottle next to the suppositories. Take them.
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Freespeed
As you can see there is varied opinion on the merits of joining EK. It does depend largely on where you are now and how you see your future.
One thing is for sure, the opinions you read here are often at either end of the spectrum. I would caution you on BYMONEK's post. I freely accept that it is his opinion and he is entitled to it.
I can assure you it is an opinion that is at one end of the spectrum.
I don't have the time to debate each point he raises. Some are fair enough some are biased and exagerated. I will quote you one example
Fact: As an F/O you can only access business class on an upgrade basis if space is available. If you are travelling with children under 16 you are not entitled to business fullstop. The same goes for business/first for captains.
That is one "fact" that BYMONEK has misrepresented. There are others in his post and many other points that can be argued at length.
BYMONEK is definitely a glass is half full guy, which i admire him for. Unless you are the same type of person, then don't rely too heavily on his opinion.
As a general rule, I dont think you will see many posts from people who have been here more than a few years that share BYMONEK's optimisim.
From where i sit i see that the aviation industry worldwide is in a downward spiral as far as conditions for pilots go. I think that EK is probably one of the best expat jobs around at present.
If you desperately want to be an expat, then EK is probably a good choice. On the other hand, if you are just desperate to leave your current job, are you prepared to become an expat in the Middle East and accept the burdens that come with it?
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The Rev
As you can see there is varied opinion on the merits of joining EK. It does depend largely on where you are now and how you see your future.
One thing is for sure, the opinions you read here are often at either end of the spectrum. I would caution you on BYMONEK's post. I freely accept that it is his opinion and he is entitled to it.
I can assure you it is an opinion that is at one end of the spectrum.
I don't have the time to debate each point he raises. Some are fair enough some are biased and exagerated. I will quote you one example
Can book buisness class for you/family and first class if you're Captain
That is one "fact" that BYMONEK has misrepresented. There are others in his post and many other points that can be argued at length.
BYMONEK is definitely a glass is half full guy, which i admire him for. Unless you are the same type of person, then don't rely too heavily on his opinion.
As a general rule, I dont think you will see many posts from people who have been here more than a few years that share BYMONEK's optimisim.
From where i sit i see that the aviation industry worldwide is in a downward spiral as far as conditions for pilots go. I think that EK is probably one of the best expat jobs around at present.
If you desperately want to be an expat, then EK is probably a good choice. On the other hand, if you are just desperate to leave your current job, are you prepared to become an expat in the Middle East and accept the burdens that come with it?
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Rev,
Everyone has a bias, that is life. Perhaps, you are showing your bias as a glass half empty guy in your example. You question Bymonek's facts but what about yours:
I will agree that with kids you travel a class down and duty tickets are upgradable Y/J as an F/O, J/F as a Captain. However, if you buy a First ID 50, you travel First and I have not yet been downgraded on either an annual leave ticket or ID90 when leaving the blighters at home.
But lets rise above the p*ssing competition, none of us can make Freespeed's decision for him, we don't know his circumstances. I suspect the advice might be different for a guy that was working for Alitalia or furloughed from United compared to a guy working for South West or Lufthansa.
As to the rest of the comments on this thread, they generally come from both ends of the spectrum cos guys in the middle really can't be asked to raise a finger. Cap 56 asserts that 'school standards are very low', but I actually think they are great compared to a lot of places particularly because most of the parents are achievers and little johnny from the council estate doesn't get an entry pass. That view might well change when the kids are older and need a bigger pond to operate in. Remember though, whilst some are glass half full guys and some half empty; Cap 56 is a font of all knowledge who's glass is not only empty, it was broken by EK when he was asked to leave.
Freespeed, everything that is written here is an opinion and opinions are like ar**holes we all have one and they usually stink. My opinion, for what its worth. Whilst most of the DECs may be in their early 50's; I have met some that are not. We are getting a lot of aircraft but we now have a lot of pilots and competition in the market is hotting up with Etihad and who knows who else joining. Simple numerics say that commands cannot happen for everyone at 3 years, I don't know when the time to command will start to grow but it will. As an ex-pat you must also realise that you do it for yourself and you are on your own, there is no one out there looking after you.
Even though I'm a half full kinda guy and happy with my lot I would caution you to make sure you know a) why you want to come and b) whether EK and Dubai will fill those needs. The only way to give yourself a better stab at making the right decision is to use an ID 90 and come to DXB and investigate further. Right now is a great time to come because the weather sucks and that should burn some of the rose tinting off the outside of the glasses. Failing that talk to guys you know personally who work for EK so that you can filter their comments as appropriate.
The Rev is right that sadly aviation isn't what it once was and that T&Cs have been on a downward spiral. His burdens would be my frustrations and even I have to bolt away every now and then to retain my sanity. I then look at where I came from and realise that Dubai and EK might not be perfect but it isn't that bad either. (P.S. This message will self destruct in another 5 years or so, so that the Rev can't give me a hard time for my youthful exuberance.)
Cerberus
Everyone has a bias, that is life. Perhaps, you are showing your bias as a glass half empty guy in your example. You question Bymonek's facts but what about yours:
Fact: As an F/O you can only access business class on an upgrade basis if space is available. If you are travelling with children under 16 you are not entitled to business fullstop. The same goes for business/first for captains.
But lets rise above the p*ssing competition, none of us can make Freespeed's decision for him, we don't know his circumstances. I suspect the advice might be different for a guy that was working for Alitalia or furloughed from United compared to a guy working for South West or Lufthansa.
As to the rest of the comments on this thread, they generally come from both ends of the spectrum cos guys in the middle really can't be asked to raise a finger. Cap 56 asserts that 'school standards are very low', but I actually think they are great compared to a lot of places particularly because most of the parents are achievers and little johnny from the council estate doesn't get an entry pass. That view might well change when the kids are older and need a bigger pond to operate in. Remember though, whilst some are glass half full guys and some half empty; Cap 56 is a font of all knowledge who's glass is not only empty, it was broken by EK when he was asked to leave.
Freespeed, everything that is written here is an opinion and opinions are like ar**holes we all have one and they usually stink. My opinion, for what its worth. Whilst most of the DECs may be in their early 50's; I have met some that are not. We are getting a lot of aircraft but we now have a lot of pilots and competition in the market is hotting up with Etihad and who knows who else joining. Simple numerics say that commands cannot happen for everyone at 3 years, I don't know when the time to command will start to grow but it will. As an ex-pat you must also realise that you do it for yourself and you are on your own, there is no one out there looking after you.
Even though I'm a half full kinda guy and happy with my lot I would caution you to make sure you know a) why you want to come and b) whether EK and Dubai will fill those needs. The only way to give yourself a better stab at making the right decision is to use an ID 90 and come to DXB and investigate further. Right now is a great time to come because the weather sucks and that should burn some of the rose tinting off the outside of the glasses. Failing that talk to guys you know personally who work for EK so that you can filter their comments as appropriate.
The Rev is right that sadly aviation isn't what it once was and that T&Cs have been on a downward spiral. His burdens would be my frustrations and even I have to bolt away every now and then to retain my sanity. I then look at where I came from and realise that Dubai and EK might not be perfect but it isn't that bad either. (P.S. This message will self destruct in another 5 years or so, so that the Rev can't give me a hard time for my youthful exuberance.)
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Regarding my earlier post i stand by the facts re.staff travel. On our ALT ( Annual leave ticket),you are correct in that children under 16 can't travel in econ but book an ID 90 and you can .I've just returned from Uk and wife and both young children were most def in Buisness......i should know cause my little girl thru up over me ! Anyway,Staff travel isn't the only reason for coming and i did say that life in Dubai isn't perfect.It's just that life for us ,after the first year,is good and we are happy.With regards to Crap56 postings,as you will have read,His decision to live in "Disneyland" was removed several years ago so his views will most definately be biased.The Education my young children receive here IS better than in UK AND THAT'S A FACT! Finally,Dungfunnel,For someone who was 'offered' employment but 'declined'....cough....cough...,i find it baffling that you slate Emirates and Dubai with so much venim.Why did you bother appyling in the first place?Imagine how angry you'd be if you HADN'T got in! Prisoner no.29 signing off,the beach is calling
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Absolutely BYMONEK, education (at least at the school my kids are at) is of a far higher standard than the good old village primary and local comprehensive!!! I'm very pleased with the education they're getting.
Millerscourt, you're still stalking me
I'm sure there's a law against that. And no, I'm definately not BYMONEK
Cap 56, you're a bitter man.
Millerscourt, you're still stalking me
I'm sure there's a law against that. And no, I'm definately not BYMONEK Cap 56, you're a bitter man.
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BYMONEK
You may well have been upgraded to J class, but you weren't entitled to it. Go back and read your staff manual. You will soon learn to keep your mouth shut when luck like that smiles apon you. If management finds out when and where, someone will get their butt kicked.
You may well have been upgraded to J class, but you weren't entitled to it. Go back and read your staff manual. You will soon learn to keep your mouth shut when luck like that smiles apon you. If management finds out when and where, someone will get their butt kicked.
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Rev....or should i say 6100
It wasn't an Upgrade.It was an ID90 Buisness purchased at Staff travel.Staff travel guide is slightly misleading but as far as aware,only on ALT must 1 adult accompany children in lower class of cabin. Anyway,even EK economy is better than charter 29"so i could live with that for a year or three!
Dungfunnel
I really don't want to turn this into an ongoing yes/no battle and re.your decision to turn down EK,you feel that your decision not to come was correct and i hope that it was the right one, for you.You wouldn't be the first to say no and certainly will not be the last.I'm not that naive to assume everyone takes a job if offered.i'm just very surprised at your middle East/Emirates bashing on this and previous forums.Is it not time to accept your decision and move on,or are you going to spend the rest of your life trying to justify YOUR decision on pPrune? My BA interview many years ago also contained lots of fake smiles and it's not only as an Expat that you'll find yourself expendable.Whichever Airline you work for,it's becoming more and more difficult to preserve our T & C's.I'm just disappointed that you feel qualified to offer a fellow professional advice on actual everyday life in Dubai and Emirates when you neither live or indeed work here.You appear to slate people for wanting the best for their families.Why not send their children to the best schools?Do you send yours to the worst? Keep the ( by the way it's spelt Jumeriah) Jane wife in luxury.Do you keep yours out of it? As for the threesomes,i'll ring and let you know all the juicy details when it happens....phone calls are free out here
It wasn't an Upgrade.It was an ID90 Buisness purchased at Staff travel.Staff travel guide is slightly misleading but as far as aware,only on ALT must 1 adult accompany children in lower class of cabin. Anyway,even EK economy is better than charter 29"so i could live with that for a year or three!
Dungfunnel
I really don't want to turn this into an ongoing yes/no battle and re.your decision to turn down EK,you feel that your decision not to come was correct and i hope that it was the right one, for you.You wouldn't be the first to say no and certainly will not be the last.I'm not that naive to assume everyone takes a job if offered.i'm just very surprised at your middle East/Emirates bashing on this and previous forums.Is it not time to accept your decision and move on,or are you going to spend the rest of your life trying to justify YOUR decision on pPrune? My BA interview many years ago also contained lots of fake smiles and it's not only as an Expat that you'll find yourself expendable.Whichever Airline you work for,it's becoming more and more difficult to preserve our T & C's.I'm just disappointed that you feel qualified to offer a fellow professional advice on actual everyday life in Dubai and Emirates when you neither live or indeed work here.You appear to slate people for wanting the best for their families.Why not send their children to the best schools?Do you send yours to the worst? Keep the ( by the way it's spelt Jumeriah) Jane wife in luxury.Do you keep yours out of it? As for the threesomes,i'll ring and let you know all the juicy details when it happens....phone calls are free out here
Last edited by BYMONEK; 28th Jul 2004 at 04:53.