Qr Dec Package
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 48
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
check out www.ppjn.com
both Captain and F/O packages are on there, however the F/O basic is 14000 QAR (it says 16000 on ppjn) otherwise it is accurate
A330 F/O's are flying about 85 hours a month and earning about 28000 QAR's inclusive a month. The new pay deal has made quite a difference especially if your flying 75 hours plus a month.
The airline is still short of crews on all fleets
AD
both Captain and F/O packages are on there, however the F/O basic is 14000 QAR (it says 16000 on ppjn) otherwise it is accurate
A330 F/O's are flying about 85 hours a month and earning about 28000 QAR's inclusive a month. The new pay deal has made quite a difference especially if your flying 75 hours plus a month.
The airline is still short of crews on all fleets
AD
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Middle East
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Let’s look at some FACTS regarding working for QR and AAB, alias the ‘Poisoned Dwarf’.
Pay wise, there are no guaranteed minimum hours. So that 100/75QR per hour figure means a poor pay packet unless you are rostered for 70+ hours. Contrary to what you read here, many pilots are being rostered for 50 hours, not 70. If you are flying 320’s you might be rostered for 60+hrs block, but this means 150+ flight duty. 320 crews have few layovers, 330 and 300 crews are virtually not at home.
Then there’s the time you spend on duty travel, which must be in uniform, without being paid for it, together with the time you spend on standby, again without pay. And as for the overnight allowances, forget them. They are for meals only and cheaply calculated at that.
Start looking around Doha for a decent place for your family. You can’t buy, so you must rent. The maximum total package is 6,200QR with FO’s getting slightly less. Any decent place will cost you 7,500 (and increasing) and that’s unfurnished. Since QR allow you only economy checked baggage allowance when you join, you can bring 10 kg with you on the plane and then a mighty 150 kg by air freight separately. That’s one hell of a lot of personal effects to set up a new life! An unfurnished villa in Doha means TOTALLY unfurnished. You must set up everything, including air conditioning, cookers, etc. As an expat you have to pay for water and electricity which can be around 600 a month.
And then for the really good bit; nothing is allowed! However no Conditions of Service Booklet exists to tell you what is or isn’t allowed? AAB loves to know about everything and he checks the people who work for “him” on a regular basis during surprise visits to the airport or the check-in building. He freely admits to having spies everywhere to report you should you drink the orange juice or ask for a handful of nuts……..even if they’re being thrown out at the end of the flight! You are threatened with instant dismissal for such childish things as not wearing your hat in the bus. Cockpit crew cannot release the jumpseats to cabin crew as “they might distract them from their job”. And on it goes!
Staff Travel is a joke. 3 days to get a ticket. Cabin crew can only buy economy tickets on QR and WILL NOT be upgraded. As a result, if EY is full they are left behind unless some EY pax is upgraded to make room for them! Same goes for FO’s with business class to first. But the cabin crew are in the worst position anyhow. A lot of hard work, continuous pressure and fear of being terminated rules their daily lives. Management tries to hire as many people from poorer countries as possible, because they expect them to work and shut up. Lack of English and general understanding is quiet common. Knowledge is learned by heart, and repetition of the drills has to be exactly as it is written in the book.
Qualified First Officers are not being upgraded. Instead the company hires non rated captains as DEC. The goal posts for LHS training keep changing and when your time does come around, you are subjected to an interview to see whether you are suitable? One comment on your sim file and it’s the sin bin for two more checks. So a further12 months before another interview.
And then there’s rostering; what rostering? Rosters are regularly out a day before the beginning of the month. So-called computerised rosters which have one pilot on 50 hours and another on 90? Return to Doha from Colombo in the morning and leave that night for Manchester is an example of a typical ‘pairing’. Who cares? It’s ‘legal’.
Which brings up FTL’s? There are no relief qualified pilots, so a third pilot is sometimes included in the crew to ‘augment’ it. The crews do not rotate in the seats so one pilot just sits in the jumpseat like an observer, sometimes for eleven hours. This means at the end of the flight there are three exhausted pilots instead of just the two. Moreover it happens that the extra crew positions to do this duty (as a passenger, not being paid for it of course) and then returns on the jumpseat, or vice versa.
Overall the biggest problem in QR is that management does not value its people. Although QR is short of pilots and cabin crew, it does nothing to change the situation. AAB simply doesn’t care. Despite the bonds, etc., personnel continue to leave the company because they’re sick and tired of being exploited by the management and AAB’s stupid rules.
Pay wise, there are no guaranteed minimum hours. So that 100/75QR per hour figure means a poor pay packet unless you are rostered for 70+ hours. Contrary to what you read here, many pilots are being rostered for 50 hours, not 70. If you are flying 320’s you might be rostered for 60+hrs block, but this means 150+ flight duty. 320 crews have few layovers, 330 and 300 crews are virtually not at home.
Then there’s the time you spend on duty travel, which must be in uniform, without being paid for it, together with the time you spend on standby, again without pay. And as for the overnight allowances, forget them. They are for meals only and cheaply calculated at that.
Start looking around Doha for a decent place for your family. You can’t buy, so you must rent. The maximum total package is 6,200QR with FO’s getting slightly less. Any decent place will cost you 7,500 (and increasing) and that’s unfurnished. Since QR allow you only economy checked baggage allowance when you join, you can bring 10 kg with you on the plane and then a mighty 150 kg by air freight separately. That’s one hell of a lot of personal effects to set up a new life! An unfurnished villa in Doha means TOTALLY unfurnished. You must set up everything, including air conditioning, cookers, etc. As an expat you have to pay for water and electricity which can be around 600 a month.
And then for the really good bit; nothing is allowed! However no Conditions of Service Booklet exists to tell you what is or isn’t allowed? AAB loves to know about everything and he checks the people who work for “him” on a regular basis during surprise visits to the airport or the check-in building. He freely admits to having spies everywhere to report you should you drink the orange juice or ask for a handful of nuts……..even if they’re being thrown out at the end of the flight! You are threatened with instant dismissal for such childish things as not wearing your hat in the bus. Cockpit crew cannot release the jumpseats to cabin crew as “they might distract them from their job”. And on it goes!
Staff Travel is a joke. 3 days to get a ticket. Cabin crew can only buy economy tickets on QR and WILL NOT be upgraded. As a result, if EY is full they are left behind unless some EY pax is upgraded to make room for them! Same goes for FO’s with business class to first. But the cabin crew are in the worst position anyhow. A lot of hard work, continuous pressure and fear of being terminated rules their daily lives. Management tries to hire as many people from poorer countries as possible, because they expect them to work and shut up. Lack of English and general understanding is quiet common. Knowledge is learned by heart, and repetition of the drills has to be exactly as it is written in the book.
Qualified First Officers are not being upgraded. Instead the company hires non rated captains as DEC. The goal posts for LHS training keep changing and when your time does come around, you are subjected to an interview to see whether you are suitable? One comment on your sim file and it’s the sin bin for two more checks. So a further12 months before another interview.
And then there’s rostering; what rostering? Rosters are regularly out a day before the beginning of the month. So-called computerised rosters which have one pilot on 50 hours and another on 90? Return to Doha from Colombo in the morning and leave that night for Manchester is an example of a typical ‘pairing’. Who cares? It’s ‘legal’.
Which brings up FTL’s? There are no relief qualified pilots, so a third pilot is sometimes included in the crew to ‘augment’ it. The crews do not rotate in the seats so one pilot just sits in the jumpseat like an observer, sometimes for eleven hours. This means at the end of the flight there are three exhausted pilots instead of just the two. Moreover it happens that the extra crew positions to do this duty (as a passenger, not being paid for it of course) and then returns on the jumpseat, or vice versa.
Overall the biggest problem in QR is that management does not value its people. Although QR is short of pilots and cabin crew, it does nothing to change the situation. AAB simply doesn’t care. Despite the bonds, etc., personnel continue to leave the company because they’re sick and tired of being exploited by the management and AAB’s stupid rules.
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Egypt
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My God
Knotaloud man are you working for QR? or used to? as Flight Deck or Cabin Crew? I m merely interested to know just for the fact to get where this perspective is coming from? Your article seems to have a lot of annoying facts irrespective of your background with QR. Im not workig for them but I might be very soon and your article has made me very concerned. My main concern is, if all this is true, and its well know apparently and they must know it, how come the management is not concerned about such an unhealthy environment like the one you described? Simply that the big man does not care does not cut it for me, its never that simple.
Regarding the 320 rostering, do u happen to know the nature of their flying? thats to say where to and how many hours they fly a month ? what about layovers and night flights, how many do do you get on average if you r flying A320 for Qatar?
Thnks
Regarding the 320 rostering, do u happen to know the nature of their flying? thats to say where to and how many hours they fly a month ? what about layovers and night flights, how many do do you get on average if you r flying A320 for Qatar?
Thnks
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: 3rd Rock from the Sun
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I need info!!
Regarding the comments above, I am reluctant of considering working with QR; I wonder if anyone working there have any answers or comments to the following questions. 
Thank you.
How can you fly more than the allowed by the aviation authority in Qatar, there should be a maximum number of flight and duty hrs per month, no? Are there any rules concerning minimum rest hours?
Did you sign a contract with QR before you took the job? If so, does it specify the amount of money you get paid and what will be your duties?
What about an operations manual detailing the DH and STBY procedures is there something like this? Is there anything written on refering to the usage of crew uniform on duty?
Do you get a crew meal during flights?
Are there any written rules wrt to staff travel in your contract?
How about details on accommodation, does your contract mention anything about it or anything regarding the shipment of household effects to relocate to Qatar and back home? Did you talk about it during your interview? What was the reply from the company?
I am sure there is no perfect management in any company, not just QR, but how can you be exploited if you have a contract that lays out the working/living conditions? I am sure that if the contract is broken in some ways, you may have the grounds to file some kind of legal action, no? Has this happened?
Any information will be must appreciated, Thank you.
Thank you.How can you fly more than the allowed by the aviation authority in Qatar, there should be a maximum number of flight and duty hrs per month, no? Are there any rules concerning minimum rest hours?
Did you sign a contract with QR before you took the job? If so, does it specify the amount of money you get paid and what will be your duties?
What about an operations manual detailing the DH and STBY procedures is there something like this? Is there anything written on refering to the usage of crew uniform on duty?
Do you get a crew meal during flights?
Are there any written rules wrt to staff travel in your contract?
How about details on accommodation, does your contract mention anything about it or anything regarding the shipment of household effects to relocate to Qatar and back home? Did you talk about it during your interview? What was the reply from the company?
I am sure there is no perfect management in any company, not just QR, but how can you be exploited if you have a contract that lays out the working/living conditions? I am sure that if the contract is broken in some ways, you may have the grounds to file some kind of legal action, no? Has this happened?
Any information will be must appreciated, Thank you.
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Middle East
Posts: 79
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Eagle. Flight Deck. Sorry, but he either does not care or chooses to maintain an environment of fear.
Oryx and Hajj. Thanks.
AM.
I didn’t say they break the Qatar rules, did I? I apologise if that’s how it came across. Unfortunately, the rules employed here allow for what I tried to describe.
Contract. What contract? The one we signed, or the one we work under? Anyone seen the new one?
The contract we signed does not allow for shipment of personal effects other than what I said in my original post. Unless you read this forum, you will only find out the real cost of accommodation when you get here. I can’t remember what was said at interview, if anything?
Staff Travel entitlements are mentioned in the contract, as are rules on DH and STBY in the ops manual. The ‘not allowed’ rules are mentioned nowhere!
Legal action? We’re in the Middle East and most of us are expat workers?
And, yes, they feed us.
Oryx and Hajj. Thanks.
AM.
I didn’t say they break the Qatar rules, did I? I apologise if that’s how it came across. Unfortunately, the rules employed here allow for what I tried to describe.
Contract. What contract? The one we signed, or the one we work under? Anyone seen the new one?
The contract we signed does not allow for shipment of personal effects other than what I said in my original post. Unless you read this forum, you will only find out the real cost of accommodation when you get here. I can’t remember what was said at interview, if anything?
Staff Travel entitlements are mentioned in the contract, as are rules on DH and STBY in the ops manual. The ‘not allowed’ rules are mentioned nowhere!
Legal action? We’re in the Middle East and most of us are expat workers?
And, yes, they feed us.
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Europe most of the time
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Reply from Qatar if not rated?
Has any non airbus rated pilot ever received an answer from Qatar?
Above posts are shocking, can't believe Qatar management is getting away with this B.S.
Who the fu*k do they think they are???
Above posts are shocking, can't believe Qatar management is getting away with this B.S.
Who the fu*k do they think they are???
Last edited by Interconti; 3rd Oct 2004 at 11:33.
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Beach Bum
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Good post knotaloud...the company just doesn't care...we are replaceable .... to all joining f/o's....don't kid your self's guys no upgrade in more than a year ...nor genuine desire to upgrade from within...you will wear two bars like a cadet for 3 years....and there are TWO seniority lists one for CPT's one for F/O's ...if you ever get upgrade you go below the cpt who joined yesterday....housing will go up again since games are approaching....car accident rate extremly hi...nice weather (for 7-8 months) drinks at 5-6 hotels and liquer store..prices ok...sports yes....parties yes...company culture at work ... f/a's and many f/deck depressed and complaining....they couldn't even give us plastic cups in the building you had to wash one that has been used 1000 times.. but things are slowly getting looked at ..it will take time ...good luck to all new joiners
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Aust
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thanks fellas.
This confirms what an Ansett F/A mate told me after leaving there.
Certainly not worth the time to file an update with them but it comes at an expense... your experiences, written above... and I thank you for that.
Keep the blue up, regardless.
This confirms what an Ansett F/A mate told me after leaving there.
Certainly not worth the time to file an update with them but it comes at an expense... your experiences, written above... and I thank you for that.
Keep the blue up, regardless.
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Beach Bum
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Yep...no Ug's in more than a year in fact...many guys meet req's on all fleets however no official interview dates ....than you have to wait for one.. for months..then you have to pass one..and then after you pass one you have to wait for TRI's available..they are too busy with non-type DEC's and new hires anywayplus fleet expansion...so you are looking for 3+ years meaning probably close to 3,5-4 years if they decide on you , and if in the meantime you don't get s/b....happened to a guy just a day before he supposed to be sent to the new type conversion...good luck..they realy value us here..and they demand loyalty too..but don't care about providing one...everyone is replaceable...halas...keep the bright side up