Al-Khobar Killings
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MD11, your comment about jews being warned not to go to work on 9/11 are nothing but rumours This is has been investigated with no conclusions. All I know is a friend of mine who was a big shot at Goldman Sachs (a jew) happened to be at work that day.
Diesel, you are very well informed and I share alot of your views. I DO live in the ME, Bahrain and my wife and I are leaving in July for good. In my opinion this is no longer a safe place to live, this is not the only reason we are leaving but a big part of it. It is only a matter of time before attacks like these spread to other countries in the region.
So much talk about Isreal and Palestine. I don't think this problem will ever get solved but here is some food for thought.
The UN gives Isreal a territory, the arab states are not happy (rightfully so) and decide.. hey we will take them by force. This plan doesn't work and they end up losing more ground to the Jews. Then they turn to the UN and cry foul. Would they have cried foul to the UN if they would have beaten Isreal? Of course not.... a total double standard. Your plan backfired guys, they did to you exactly what you were trying to do to them!
Alot of talk about Saudi aswell, this has nothing to do with the US. Countries in the ME cannot survive without the expats. Sad but true. Saudi is not different. The militants target expats mostly to try and destabilize the country. If Saudi stops pumping oil out of the ground it's game over for them. In Saudi, 95% of the money goes to 5% of the population. The people are tired of this and it's only a matter of time before the royal family is taken down. The recent attacks by the militants is just the start of this whole process.
Coming out to work here was a great experience and I pocketed a bucket full of cash. But they say, when you come to the ME, you come with 2 buckets.. one for money one for Bullsh**. Once one is full, you leave.. well both are full right now and we're leaving.
Diesel, you are very well informed and I share alot of your views. I DO live in the ME, Bahrain and my wife and I are leaving in July for good. In my opinion this is no longer a safe place to live, this is not the only reason we are leaving but a big part of it. It is only a matter of time before attacks like these spread to other countries in the region.
So much talk about Isreal and Palestine. I don't think this problem will ever get solved but here is some food for thought.
The UN gives Isreal a territory, the arab states are not happy (rightfully so) and decide.. hey we will take them by force. This plan doesn't work and they end up losing more ground to the Jews. Then they turn to the UN and cry foul. Would they have cried foul to the UN if they would have beaten Isreal? Of course not.... a total double standard. Your plan backfired guys, they did to you exactly what you were trying to do to them!
Alot of talk about Saudi aswell, this has nothing to do with the US. Countries in the ME cannot survive without the expats. Sad but true. Saudi is not different. The militants target expats mostly to try and destabilize the country. If Saudi stops pumping oil out of the ground it's game over for them. In Saudi, 95% of the money goes to 5% of the population. The people are tired of this and it's only a matter of time before the royal family is taken down. The recent attacks by the militants is just the start of this whole process.
Coming out to work here was a great experience and I pocketed a bucket full of cash. But they say, when you come to the ME, you come with 2 buckets.. one for money one for Bullsh**. Once one is full, you leave.. well both are full right now and we're leaving.
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My sources were NBC, and there was even an executive who lost all of his workers when that one day for the first time he decided to take his kid to school and showed up an hour after it happened. Not rumors, because alot of people here know about it cause they watch the news.... don't rely on the internet.
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one isolated incident?? all of a sudden there is a conspiracy where people got messages on their answering machines, pagers etc?? come on....
why didn't my friend get the message? or why didn't many of his jewish co-workers get these phone calls...??????
why didn't my friend get the message? or why didn't many of his jewish co-workers get these phone calls...??????
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Apparetly the Jewish ORganization "Mossad" had warned several Israelis (not all) about going to work that day. And when the towers were falling many saw a Israeli film crew nearby cheering, this is why many thought Israelis were the ones who did this to tarnish the image of the arab world. Of course no proof of this but there was a documentary and it showed very good proof that the Israelis knew that the attacks were going to happen and I can't remember if they warned the US government or just warned their own people... it was in early 2003 when I saw this documentary
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saw a Israeli film crew nearby cheering
Get real.
Sympathies to the familes and friends of those killed in Al Khobar and other places over there.
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No they were actually shooting a movie in New York, so when you see cameras, trucks, lights, I guess you could assume they are making a movie, afterall its New York
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When the time comes, to justify all your hatred (you arabs) we can hear so much funny stories.
I've got a couple of stories for you....Elvis is alive...JFK has been shot by the mafia...Washington is controlled by an extra-terrestriel from Roswell.....and the best one for you, the world is controlled by a group of 11 powerful jews, hide underground in a secret place!!!!
Now put that in your "true story files" and use it when you need it!
I've got a couple of stories for you....Elvis is alive...JFK has been shot by the mafia...Washington is controlled by an extra-terrestriel from Roswell.....and the best one for you, the world is controlled by a group of 11 powerful jews, hide underground in a secret place!!!!
Now put that in your "true story files" and use it when you need it!
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I find the idea of Israel being behind the attacks on 9-11 quite ludicrious. One because why attack your staunchest supporter and two, if that was the truth and it was ever to come out, it would be buhbye Israel, absolutely, positively no doubt about it.
Cannot say I have ever seen the Israeli film crew you talk about, I did however see large crowds on Muslims celebrating and cheering. Perhaps the documentary you saw, was made by Al Jazeera? (sic)
The ME news have been trying to deflect blame for quite a while, but I think most people can see through the intent of this. As I write this, I must remind you, that terrorist attacks are now taking place in Saudi Arabia. Am I too believe, the Israelis are behind that too?
I think, it will get worse before it gets better, because it appears those who wish evil are getting desperate as the world closes in on them. Hopefully, a democratic goverment, who will fight terrorism, will be successful in Iraq and perhaps that will lead to democracy spreading in the ME or at least a bit more stability.
Cannot say I have ever seen the Israeli film crew you talk about, I did however see large crowds on Muslims celebrating and cheering. Perhaps the documentary you saw, was made by Al Jazeera? (sic)
The ME news have been trying to deflect blame for quite a while, but I think most people can see through the intent of this. As I write this, I must remind you, that terrorist attacks are now taking place in Saudi Arabia. Am I too believe, the Israelis are behind that too?
I think, it will get worse before it gets better, because it appears those who wish evil are getting desperate as the world closes in on them. Hopefully, a democratic goverment, who will fight terrorism, will be successful in Iraq and perhaps that will lead to democracy spreading in the ME or at least a bit more stability.
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I did however see large crowds on Muslims celebrating and cheering.
OR are you saying you saw it on CNN? I understand that much of the footage of people cheering and celebrating was taken months before Sept 11th.
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"Reuters rejects as utterly baseless an allegation being circulated by e-mail and the Internet claiming that it circulated 10-year-old videotape to illustrate Palestinians celebrating in the wake of the September 11 tragedies in the United States. Reuters welcomes a statement by the Universidad Estatal de Campinas-Brasil (UNICAMP), one of whose students was the author of the original e-mail, setting the record straight. The videotape in question was shot in East Jerusalem by a Reuters camera crew on September 11 in the immediate aftermath of the attacks on the United States. The footage was broadcast by CNN and other subscribers to the Reuters video news service."
"CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN's Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September 2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew, not during the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91 — a fact proved by its inclusion of comments from a Palestinian praising Osama Bin Laden (whose name was unlikely to have come up ten years earlier in connection with the invasion and liberation of Kuwait) as well as the appearance in the video of post-1991 automobiles."
I am saddened, that conspiracy theories abound, wrt the WTC and the attacks against the US 9/11.
If OBL is not behind 9/11, then why not have Al Jazeera run a video tape of him, denouncing these events. They certainly seem to be given access to info. Instead, we get this: "In 1998, several al-Qaeda leaders issued a declaration calling on Muslims to kill Americans—including civilians—as well as “those who are allied with them from among the helpers of Satan.”
Further, after 9-11, the arab talkings heads, were quick to point out, that while the attack were horrendous, that the US was perhaps partly responsible for repsonses against the US.
I find it incredolous, that respected news organizations, who reside in parts of the world, where free speech is a right, is disregarded and information from sources like Al Jazeera is held in higher esteem.
Wonder who they will claim did the attacks in Saudi, Spain, Khobar Towers, UN Building, Bali Disco, WTC bombing 1, US embassy in Nairobi ? I know, it is a vast zionist conspiracy!
Honestly, I understand, that the vast majority of people on this earth wishes to live in peace, whether they are Muslims, Christian, red or Blue, but there are those that do not wish this to be. Turning a blind eye to this fact, is not a prudent thing for us to do!
"CNN did not air decade-old footage of Palestinians dancing in the streets. Eason Jordan, CNN's Chief News Executive, confirmed that the video used on CNN was in fact shot on Tuesday, 11 September 2001, in East Jerusalem by a Reuters TV crew, not during the Persian Gulf conflict of 1990-91 — a fact proved by its inclusion of comments from a Palestinian praising Osama Bin Laden (whose name was unlikely to have come up ten years earlier in connection with the invasion and liberation of Kuwait) as well as the appearance in the video of post-1991 automobiles."
I am saddened, that conspiracy theories abound, wrt the WTC and the attacks against the US 9/11.
If OBL is not behind 9/11, then why not have Al Jazeera run a video tape of him, denouncing these events. They certainly seem to be given access to info. Instead, we get this: "In 1998, several al-Qaeda leaders issued a declaration calling on Muslims to kill Americans—including civilians—as well as “those who are allied with them from among the helpers of Satan.”
Further, after 9-11, the arab talkings heads, were quick to point out, that while the attack were horrendous, that the US was perhaps partly responsible for repsonses against the US.
I find it incredolous, that respected news organizations, who reside in parts of the world, where free speech is a right, is disregarded and information from sources like Al Jazeera is held in higher esteem.
Wonder who they will claim did the attacks in Saudi, Spain, Khobar Towers, UN Building, Bali Disco, WTC bombing 1, US embassy in Nairobi ? I know, it is a vast zionist conspiracy!
Honestly, I understand, that the vast majority of people on this earth wishes to live in peace, whether they are Muslims, Christian, red or Blue, but there are those that do not wish this to be. Turning a blind eye to this fact, is not a prudent thing for us to do!
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HE SLAM! - like it. 
Surprised that your post made it on.
PJ
I did however see large crowds on Muslims celebrating and cheering.
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Where did you see this? Time and location?
I did. September 11 2001 in Riyadh.
Surprised that your post made it on.PJ
I did however see large crowds on Muslims celebrating and cheering.
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I did. September 11 2001 in Riyadh.
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All I can say is that this thread shows, how deep rooted is the hatred and prejudice of most westerners towards Arabs and Muslims, on the other hand I have never had this in me, and I look at everbody as friends and colleagues.
It is also very obvious that a lot of Jews are among the people who live in these Arab/Muslim countries who also love this thread.
May god bless all of you with love and goodness?
It is also very obvious that a lot of Jews are among the people who live in these Arab/Muslim countries who also love this thread.
May god bless all of you with love and goodness?
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I missed someone saying they hated arabs, I don't. Where I live its 80% arabs, most of my friends are arabs and they are all good people. No problem here!
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I've recently accepted a position in Bahrain, having visited this fine Island numerous times over the past few years. From speaking to my Bahraini friends it is plainly obvious that the main problem here is not so much Israel, but rather the complete and total lack of understanding Arab mentality on behalf of the western world, especially the US.
Basically, these people are not interested in having our way of life imposed on them, just as "we" would not be interested in having their way of life imposed on us. The sad part is that your average American cannot fathom that the US way of life has very little in the way of appeal here, and I will venture the proposition this is also valid for a large part of the rest of the world.
Until such time that the US realises that people from different parts of the planet have no wish to live like Americans, but would rather perserve their own culture and way of life, there is litttle hope that the deep distrust and even outright hatred against the US will diminish, and thus terrorism will continue.
As you will probably know there is a very large US presence here in Bahrain, and I've meet quite a few people from the US Navy, Army and Air Force. To a man, they are utterly incapable of understanding that neither Europeans nor Arabs have any inclination to become "Americanized" - they fully belive that the US way of life is the end all and be all of civilization.
So when the US fails to win hearts and minds, they resort to bullying tactics thereby further alianting both supposed allies and adding fire to an already burning hatred. One is inclined to put the present US government in the same basket as so-called Muslem fundamentalists - their simplistic and narrow minded views of the world, although directly opposed, bears many similarities.
The fact of the matter is that somewhere around 99% of the poulation, both here and in the rest of the world, wants nothing more than to live a peaceful life, raise their families and succeed to the best of their abilities. The problem is the 1% who are fundamentalists, whether they are Muslem, Jewish or Christians. And yes, I will list the present US government among the fundamentalists.
Is there a solution to this problem? Well, of course there is. The House of Saud needs to be replaced by another form of government - the US support for that family of deep corruption and dictatorship is another cause of hatred. The Israeli / Palestinian conflict needs to be resolved - again the unilateral US support to Israel is another source of hatred. To put it in a nutshell, the US will need to stop messing around with the politics here and get to grasp with the fact that the US way of life is not wanted, nor needed, in this and many other parts of the world.
Finally, no matter how well we mean it this place is not yet ready for the sort of democracy we enjoy in the west. A strong leader is needed to handle the "big issues" like security, defence and foreign policy. Domestic politics can be handled by a democratically elected parliament, but there neeeds to be a top dog. Arabs have little in the way of respect for touchy-feely democracy and that is exactly why the mission in Iraq is bound to fail.
Basically, these people are not interested in having our way of life imposed on them, just as "we" would not be interested in having their way of life imposed on us. The sad part is that your average American cannot fathom that the US way of life has very little in the way of appeal here, and I will venture the proposition this is also valid for a large part of the rest of the world.
Until such time that the US realises that people from different parts of the planet have no wish to live like Americans, but would rather perserve their own culture and way of life, there is litttle hope that the deep distrust and even outright hatred against the US will diminish, and thus terrorism will continue.
As you will probably know there is a very large US presence here in Bahrain, and I've meet quite a few people from the US Navy, Army and Air Force. To a man, they are utterly incapable of understanding that neither Europeans nor Arabs have any inclination to become "Americanized" - they fully belive that the US way of life is the end all and be all of civilization.
So when the US fails to win hearts and minds, they resort to bullying tactics thereby further alianting both supposed allies and adding fire to an already burning hatred. One is inclined to put the present US government in the same basket as so-called Muslem fundamentalists - their simplistic and narrow minded views of the world, although directly opposed, bears many similarities.
The fact of the matter is that somewhere around 99% of the poulation, both here and in the rest of the world, wants nothing more than to live a peaceful life, raise their families and succeed to the best of their abilities. The problem is the 1% who are fundamentalists, whether they are Muslem, Jewish or Christians. And yes, I will list the present US government among the fundamentalists.
Is there a solution to this problem? Well, of course there is. The House of Saud needs to be replaced by another form of government - the US support for that family of deep corruption and dictatorship is another cause of hatred. The Israeli / Palestinian conflict needs to be resolved - again the unilateral US support to Israel is another source of hatred. To put it in a nutshell, the US will need to stop messing around with the politics here and get to grasp with the fact that the US way of life is not wanted, nor needed, in this and many other parts of the world.
Finally, no matter how well we mean it this place is not yet ready for the sort of democracy we enjoy in the west. A strong leader is needed to handle the "big issues" like security, defence and foreign policy. Domestic politics can be handled by a democratically elected parliament, but there neeeds to be a top dog. Arabs have little in the way of respect for touchy-feely democracy and that is exactly why the mission in Iraq is bound to fail.
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Well, this Jewish website owner must be part of the great Zionist conspiracy that md11flyer is ranting on about. It is a conspiracy, which is why I have decided to remove his rantings from this website.
Thanks to the ignorant spoutings of twisted minds like his, we have to suffer accusations that are so preposterous and infantile, but with serious under and overtones, and some people wonder why the problems exist. If anyone on here is not happy with the fact that this website owner is Jewish and has served in the Israeli military then you are fee to go elsewhere and spout your rants. you will not, however, be given free reign on this website to pass off Goebbels type lies and false propaganda.
Fair discussion is OK and I have no problem with both sides of the arguments being put forward but the type of utter rubbish that is designed to raise the ignorant fears and ultimately designed to produce hate will not be tolerated. Anyone supporting those views will also be subjected to the Zionist power.
Eejits such as md11flyer are welcome to go back to their own websites and leave this bastion of Zionist media control to the rest of us who are prepared to act like the professionals we purport to be and discuss contentious issues without resorting to outrageous lies put forward by those trying to take the heat away from their own guilt.
Feel free to start again but keep it reasoned.
Thanks to the ignorant spoutings of twisted minds like his, we have to suffer accusations that are so preposterous and infantile, but with serious under and overtones, and some people wonder why the problems exist. If anyone on here is not happy with the fact that this website owner is Jewish and has served in the Israeli military then you are fee to go elsewhere and spout your rants. you will not, however, be given free reign on this website to pass off Goebbels type lies and false propaganda.
Fair discussion is OK and I have no problem with both sides of the arguments being put forward but the type of utter rubbish that is designed to raise the ignorant fears and ultimately designed to produce hate will not be tolerated. Anyone supporting those views will also be subjected to the Zionist power.
Eejits such as md11flyer are welcome to go back to their own websites and leave this bastion of Zionist media control to the rest of us who are prepared to act like the professionals we purport to be and discuss contentious issues without resorting to outrageous lies put forward by those trying to take the heat away from their own guilt.Feel free to start again but keep it reasoned.
