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Air Arabia - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 29th Jun 2004, 17:47
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Talking to some of the GF guys, he was pretty useless and also had no idea about what was going on for the 1.5 or so years he was there. Any truth to that (I would rather have views from people other than GF guys as well)? Could this be the reason he is also having problems with Air Arabia?
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Old 2nd Jul 2004, 19:18
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It all sounds so familiar - a promising start then the airline gets into the wrong hands and its then a downward spiral. Of course the money is there to keep everything going despite the incompetance of the senior management (QR good example).
When will they learn??.....
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Old 2nd Jul 2004, 20:41
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That begs another question. I heard that QR lost over $400M last year. If they continue to keep the yields down, they will never make money, not now, not in 100 years. The losses will continue to increase as the airline expands. For how long will the Qatar government keep on paying (the same applies to Air Arabia)?
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Old 26th Jul 2004, 20:02
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Quick answer

Sent my CV last weekend and received an answer on monday, asking to fill out the application form and send it pack asap. Eighter they need pilots urgently or recruitment bureau is really well organized.
Has someone hold an interview already?

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Old 29th Jul 2004, 20:48
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They will hire DECs over 50. And currency on the A320 doesn't seem to be a factor. I'm over 50 and now current only on the 767, and they invited me to interview.
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Old 5th Sep 2004, 21:16
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Just talked to a couple friends that work there the other day and they say that flight ops is a mess. Several pilots have resigned and many more are close to putting their releases in as they are looking for any other job. One captain even just packed his bags and left the country in disgust. They are averaging 100 hrs a month and have NO schedule, finding out what they are doing one to two days at a time! I thought that was amazing as they have been going for almost a year.

One of my buds is even going to sit for the last two month of the year as hes running out of hours. Those getting hired now are probably going to work even harder to cover the timed out pilots!
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Old 6th Sep 2004, 06:35
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If you want to work for Air Arabia just remember one phrase and one phrase alone " UAE is straight in RWY (insert appropriate RWY here) available", then if response is negative, you must respond with "Why not the wind is light and variable", to which you should expect ATC to respond "Oh I am sorry, I forgot you are the only aircraft in the sky".

It must be printed in bold lettering in the cockpit to ask for straight in runway on first contact with UAE, a bit like it pops up on the McDonalds register after every order "Would you like fries with that?". It's wearing very thin.
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Old 7th Sep 2004, 09:05
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Thin?... why do you care?

Ok, Are you a pilot? Or do you just not agree that it is good airmanship to try and save flying an extra 20 NM when it isn't necessary and poses no infringement of safety or SOP?

And by the way: yes we usually are the only aircraft going into SHJ. The only reason ATC sometimes cannot accomodate the straight-in is departures from DXB that would conflict with us.

If you ever fly into Halifax you will see that there, you can get any of the 4 runways available to you, and usually ATC has no problem with it, eventhough they have many, many more movements then SHJ.

Asking for a straight in is just normal business. ATC doesn't seem to mind, and if it's not possible they'll tell you. Simple.
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Old 9th Sep 2004, 15:47
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You wouldn't be a former Nova pilot with Air Arabia...would you? hire date jan 15,01 at another location?

Just wondering
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Old 9th Sep 2004, 18:23
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Good work on ya mate.

Good airmanship is putting safety first. How many times must ATC's put up with these type of 'nuisance' requests when they are busy? You may consider that by you saving 20nm you win but have you ever considered that an ATC tries (with the resources available to him) to save each and every aircraft on frequency a mile or 2. By you jumping in and blocking valuable frequency time you are disrupting the ATC's thought process. Give the ATC's the time to do their job and you may end up scoring in the process.

Consider that there are others on frequency. Also consider that an ATC has to consider what is about to come on frequency i.e. pending departures and arrivals, what may sound like a quiet frequency one minute can explode the minute you are transferred to the next unit. In these scenarios the ATC is considering the safest options in order to get the job done.

Do not compare one airport or associated airspace with another. Procedures is what guides our industry. Yes Halifax may do things differently but you have to consider the resources available in order to make it happen, airport layout, local and national regulations and not to forget international SARPS.

Blocking the frequency with 'just normal business' is short sighted and naive. ATC do allow straight in approaches when the situation suits them not the pilot.

So in the end it is not really that simple.

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Old 17th Sep 2004, 15:30
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Radar Pete,

I agree with most of your post, thats why I said "if it's not possible, they'll tell you".

However I don't think asking a quick question is "disrupting" their thought process. By the time you ask the question most controllers will already know wether they can accomodate the request or not, that's their job to know.

I just don't think its a big deal.

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Old 18th Sep 2004, 12:50
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Cabin crew enquiry

Would any of you guys mind getting back to me with info on
Air Arabia hiring cabin crew.

I can find no reference to cabin crew recritment on their site.
sent off a resume and pic this evening to the recruitment e-mail address.
Wondering if they hire male crew and any age limitation.
They say on their website they hire the best applicant for the job regardless of age, colour or creed... hmmm I wonder?

Thanks in advance
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Old 28th Sep 2004, 19:36
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Air Arabia T+C's?

Just a quick question for info on the avarage pay package with air arabia for FO's? Thinking of a move down that direction and the thought of setting up shop in Dubai does interest me!! The rents however don't look any better when I convert them to euro or USD!!

Tried the usual searches on PPRuNe and ppjn.com but no joy!!
Just average figures would do,monthly take home etc... Just to figure out if I'd have anything left to buy a drink at the end of a week!!

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Old 1st Oct 2004, 10:13
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Hi there,

Just a question. Do they or did they have offer job to low time pilots but who will pay the A320 TR?


Flaps 15%
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Old 1st Oct 2004, 11:20
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I applied with 250 hrs on type and never received an answer. This does not necessarily mean that they do not take low timers. You could apply and see. But I think they want experienced pilots (they even increased min.req. from 500 to 800 hrs on type lately). I wonder if they are succesful in hiring...
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Old 1st Oct 2004, 13:28
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There was an accurate breakdown of the salary in a previous AA thread. Just do a search and you should find it.

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Old 31st Oct 2004, 16:52
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Air Arabia changes the limits

Just heard from a friend of mine across the emirate that Air Arabia applied for and received an extension to the 900 hours a year rule. They can now do up to 970 hrs per year. This is probably because they canít find anybody to hire and only started hiring 6 months to late.

They supposedly have the worst of parts of all of the Middle East contracts, and after one year in business the guys still have no roster. They find out what they are doing the next day, just the night before. The only way to get days off is to fly up to some of the legal limits, but I guess the company just get permission to change the limits to suit the companies needs.

After only a year they have lost 6 out of 30 pilots, a couple giving no notice, just pack and go in frustration....
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Old 31st Oct 2004, 19:38
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Rumors are just rumors, what is the point of your post?

That Air Arabia is another disorganized start up airline?


the shock

Someone should honestly make a post as to the airline out there that is perfectly organized and hiccup free.
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Old 31st Oct 2004, 22:12
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Wink Wink,

Rumours are indeed just rumours and this after all is the Professional Pilots Rumour Network.

Thanks for the info A318, interesting to hear that they have an extension to 970hrs, that's got to be tough on the guys.
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Old 22nd Nov 2004, 08:58
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Guys... At EK, if a pilot operates exclusively ultra-long haul with double augmentation (4 pilots), one could fly 150 hours per month!

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