stevieb1

Congratulations, so there may be hope for some of us yet!

Can you post some details of the test itself, conditions etc? A little background info is always useful, and I'll be going over there myself soon.

Well done again

Captain Smithy

Hi folks,

Have just noticed this thread (I don't look in this forum as often as perhaps I should).

A quick visit to the opticians yesterday to the opticians confirmed my fears that my dream may have been killed off due to the old uncorrected visual acuity... whilst I am within the refractive error limits (-3D in one eye, -4D in another), have atigmatism (again within the limits, 1.25D for both eyes), eyes in "exceptional health" (optician's words) and have excellent corrected visual acuity of 6/5, my uncorrected visual acuity is very poor (optician quoted it as <6/20!) and this looks like a Class 1, possibly even a Class 2, may be scuppered.

Have sent an E-mail to the friendly folks at the CAA Med dept., will wait and see what they say with regards to the possibility of a restricted medical or not. However I fear that my ambitions of becoming an instructor may have been well and truly torpedoed!

Whatever the case, at least I can still fly, there's still the NPPL as a fall-back. Not all is lost.

Smithy wheres me bloody contact lenses then *squints at screen*

wbryce

Hello,
I can't find the document which lists the visual limits for the C1 renewals. I can only find the document for the initial class one standards, are these the same for renewals? Or if anyone can list them it would be great! been a few yrs since I renewed my class one and I fear my sight could be near or beyond the limits.

p.s. found this little sniplet on cash and agros website, are these the limits? the word initial throws me off the scent a little bit!

Thanks

Mohit_C

On the renewal I heard that the eyesight limits go up to -8.

norton2005

The renewal standard nowadays is unlimited for short sight.

Tamesy1

"The initial refractive error (correction) limit is +5/-6 dioptres. There is no myopic limit for revalidation/renewal. The astigmatism (distortion) and anisometropia (difference between the eyes) initial limits are 2 dioptres, but there are no limits for revalidation/renewal."

From here: http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?ca...=90&pageid=531

Shunter

Just a final note on the subject for anyone who might find themselves in the same situation as me. Having read of previous experiences in the 'colour vision part 1' thread, I was a little concerned as to the reaction of the CAA to being sent some results from outside the UK etc etc.. turns out my worries were utterly unfounded; unrestricted license and medical turned around without issue!

That said, I won't be simply swanning off into the CP3 sunset. The system stinks, has cost me a lot of time, money and effort in 'beating' it, and things are well overdue for change.

davidgq

my eyes are at about -10D each. well beyond the JAA limits. most of what ive read regarding refractive surgery refers to LASIK and how it isnt an accepted form of correction for anything over 5D. Does this limit go for all forms of refractive surgery? Ive been looking into getting intraocular lenses and was wondering if they would allow me to gain a Class 1

Cx292

Hi to all,

I have a very simple question about vision medical requirements.
I hold a class I med JAR and have an uncorrected -4.75 and -3.75 and I'm able to see 6/6 (10/10) with glasses or contact lenses.

Now I'm worried about one day my eyesight could be worst ...

How is the situation in UK?

Here in Switzerland if I have a refractive surgery I will loose my med class I temporary until a new medical examination.

I heard about this is not true in UK.

Is it true?

Thank you very much

Robbo0885

Hi all. Alot of talk on this thread has been for -ve prescriptions, short sightedness, myopia. I am hyperopic, +4.50, and am wondering about class 1 renewal. Got initial in Nov last year, just to make sure I wasnt wasting my time with modular training. Im currently doing PPL, and was told at the time of initial to get a check in a year (i.e. around now) out of interest to see if my eyesight was still changing. (been going up slowly over last 8 years).

All I can find on CAA about renewal standards is what has been qouted in this thread a few times, "for myopia there is no revalidation/renewal limit" but I am wondering if that means there is therefore a limit for hyperopia? I can't find any information on it at all on CAA, or anywhere else. I was under the impression any limit would be on CAA medicals website with inital stuff.

I know I can call CAA Gatwick and ask on Monday, so thanks for that suggestion, but I have an eye test booked on Sunday and only came online to get a copy of renewal standards so I know the score on Sunday.

Any help on this one would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks All.

Kengineer-130

Hi Guys,
I need a bit of help please! Basically my uncorrecred eyesight is awful, my prescription is -11 diopters, and I am largely Monocular through my right eye . Now I have a JAA PPL, and a CAA class 2 medical with an exemption as I have proved I am safe to fly using my normal glasses and had special examinations , but they will not even consider a class 1 medical ....
I was just wondering, If I wanted to be a flight instructor in the USA, what medical eye standard would I need to meet? as I understand CPL over there is less stringent than ATPL? If anyone has any info please can you let me know?

world

Kengineer,
In USA, you could pass both CPL and ATPL. As long as you have 20/20 corrected. You can be blind without your glasses, it doesn't matter. Same for Australia, Pakistan and some other countries.

Kengineer-130

I don't think I have 20/20 corrected, as I am largly right eye dominant .... if it's not 20/20 are there any exemptions I could use? I have heard stories about USA pilots being blind in one eye and being allowed to fly?

JUZ777

Neilo.....TelBoy is dead on..Up till june last year i was restricted up to and including CPL in Australian airspace only. I done the signal gun light test and have had the restriction removed, I have both a NVFR and ME C IR of which i had before having the restriction removed ..and if your interested its the same test for a FAA class 1 as well. PM me for any other info.... Cheers. JUZ

Farrell

You do not have to have 20/20 corrected.

It depends on what your AME thinks.

I have an unrestricted FAA Class 1 but my right eye is uncorrectable to 20.

I requested a SODA (statement of demonstrated ability) however, when my medical was issued, I was told that I did not require one.

All I need now is for a JAA state to give me a class 1 for Europe when I have about 500 hours ME - thereby showing that I can fly safely.

Witza

Hey guys and girls

I'm just another one to join the group as i was on my way to (try) getting a C1, and was found color unsafe...that so annoying and frustrating, our dreams destroyed because of something the Doctors themselves are not really in full understanding. I say that they are not, because from what i understand there can be many little deviations from the "real" perceptions of colors, and i admit it, i mix the colors (light green and light yellow) when they're 4/5Meters (13/14ft aprox.) away, and have the diameter used on those machines. I do not make any mistakes if the colors are in the normal wave length and i do not change one color with another(I've checked this quite a few times in different conditions with the help of my (non color defective) girlfriend and friends.

I've done the exams and the Center for Aeronautical Medicine at the Air force Hospital in Lisbon, Portugal and they were quite friendly i must say, but i still feel that I'm being put aside for a reason that is not that fair. I use contacts to correct my vision, and i was able to use those (as i am inside the regulations restrictions) but i hear that one cannot use the color correcting lenses (colormax or stuff like that), isn't that just something idiot ?? wtf, i can sit back on a pilots seat and not be able to read the instruments(without the corrective lenses), but if i cant tell the difference between mild green and mild yellow i cant have a C1?

As i stated earlier, i don't know how much they really understand or better yet, what they "think" we see, the doctor there wouldn't explain to me what my problem was, what colors i mixed (was she afraid i'd go somewhere else and cheat the system?) that's just idiot, they would just have to show the lights in a different order and i would not be able to tell the difference (I think...) anyway, I was unsafe to fly a plane, I would surely be the first one to say that I would not want to be in control... If i wanted to kill myself i can really think of cheaper and easier ways to do it...

It's really a shame that we cant just have a practical test like in the states, where at the very least we would understand why we are sooo unsafe. I'd like to do a test where they would stage a dangerous situation where my safety would depend on distinguishing between those two shades of green and yellow and se how i would do. And then, i would be satisfied after earing that " well, you see, this situation happens some times, and you would have been because of your color unsafeness's, so thank us for being good to you and not letting you have the C1. After that i would send them a fruit basket and we could all be friends.

oh well, i will not give up, i think i'll try a different color test as soon as i can, but they surely screwed up my plans for the future, and i know that as most of you, if this wasn't such a unfair thing we would be alright with it and just move on. The general idea is, as someone already said, that ppl like us change colors, or just cant see them...i had to explain and prove to my friends that i can tell the colors just as well as they can, i just cant tell the difference between mild green and mild yellow if they are the size of the guy who decided this test's brain and it's flashed at me from 4 meters...
I will continue to try and pass the C1, and at the same time continue my life as a Software Engineer....maybe i'll just make some software that receives the output of all those light tests and programs the colors to flash at a different wave leght in order for us to "see" it properly. If they rely their lives on all those computerized systems the new jets and air control units have, they must accept something like this...

Sorry for the long rant, i think i could just steal all the JAA regulations and burn them, so that they would have to re-write them hehehehe anyone up for a bbq?
Keep up the hope
Rui (I see the colors, really...) Daniel

Kengineer-130

Will JAA states give you a class 1 off the back of an FAA Medical/ CPL/ATPL licence?

Farrell

No. They can refuse it.
However, the logic behind it is very questionable.
Example:
An American Airlines 767 captain with 10,000 flying hours on type, with an FAA Class One is allowed to fly his plane to Heathrow, despite his eyesight being outside of JAA initial AND renewal requirements.
He can continue to do this as long as he is flying an N-reg 767.
However, if overnight, the aircraft's reg was changed to a G-reg.
He would not be able to fly the aircraft back to the US.


Does that make sense??

norton2005

It's absolutly ludacris. The JAA really need to shape up on these damn vision requirments. If you can see 20/20 no one should give a damn what your prescription is.

world

Keninger, if you are one eye blind, then the other has to be 20/30 corrected, and you will fly perfectly.

norton, execly. European rules are dumb. In many Eastern European countries, you couldn't get a license if you are not 20/20 UNcorrected. One man were 20/40 uncorrected, 20/20 corrected, but they didn't allow him to fly...

Now the rules are changin, even for military and space.