Eyesight class 1, hyperphoria, please help!!!
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Eyesight class 1, hyperphoria, please help!!!
Hi,
I have recently been for a class 1 medical down in gatwick but have been referred to the consultant for further eyesight testing.
I believe the term hyperphoria (vertical eye imbalance) is the correct term, i apologise in advance if it is not.
If i have hyperphoria outside of the limits can i still get a class 1 medical?
Is there anyway i can prove it will not be a problem with my flying?
Can i have surgery to correct it and still fly?
Is there any eye exercises i could do to improve the muscles in my eyes?
Should i start eating carrots like there going out of fashion?
Is there any hope?
Any information would be very much appreciated as i really would do anything to fly commercially.
Thankyou in advance and my fingers are crossed.
FlyinAnywayICan
I have recently been for a class 1 medical down in gatwick but have been referred to the consultant for further eyesight testing.
I believe the term hyperphoria (vertical eye imbalance) is the correct term, i apologise in advance if it is not.
If i have hyperphoria outside of the limits can i still get a class 1 medical?
Is there anyway i can prove it will not be a problem with my flying?
Can i have surgery to correct it and still fly?
Is there any eye exercises i could do to improve the muscles in my eyes?
Should i start eating carrots like there going out of fashion?
Is there any hope?
Any information would be very much appreciated as i really would do anything to fly commercially.
Thankyou in advance and my fingers are crossed.
FlyinAnywayICan
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Ok Im not an expert on this but I may be able to help. As far as I know there are eye excerise's you can do to help your eye musles, u get a card with dots on it and u have to hold the card at the bridge of your nose and follow the dots up and down, I had to do it for some reason or another when I was younger.
Im afraid more than likely they probably will fail you if they are not happy with the consultants report, they are very strict as I learnt a few weeks ago as well, u'd swear they were looking for something to fail you on!
Im afraid more than likely they probably will fail you if they are not happy with the consultants report, they are very strict as I learnt a few weeks ago as well, u'd swear they were looking for something to fail you on!
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My phoria was outside the limits but after a good time spent with the optometrist he said I was ok and not in any danger of getting doiuble vision (diplopyia) which is the risk. They are more flexible on phoria than on other eyesight conditions so you may be ok. Do a search on this forum under my name for more info.
I lost my licence a few years ago because of "a vertical squint".It was picked up by my AME, initially and I was referred to the CAA's visiting eye specialist at LGW.
To try to answer your questions as best I can based on a lot of research over a harrowing few months....
If you have Hypophoria outside the limits you will not be granted a medical. IIRC the limit for an initial is 1 dioptre, and the CAA have applied for an allowance to let you have 2 dioptres if you are experienced and are renewing your licence.
The CAA view (no pun intended) vertical squints as likely to cause double vision, and I very much doubt you will be able to prove to them that it will not afffect your flying ability.
Here is the good news. If the cause of your verical squint is caused by paresis (weakening) of the main eye muscle than subject to a number of tests and an operation you should be able to get your eye balance back to 1 dioptre.
In my case there are no exercises that would have helped.
Carrots won't help!
The FAA can grant you a medical with a SODA limitation (SODA=statement of demonstrated ability). I am not sure whether they will grant his to an initial application but they will (at their discretion) grant it to experienced people.
Yes there is hope!
I flew for nearly 8 years suspecting that there was something wrong with my eyes, but the human brain is a marvellous thing and it just copes. I never once suffered from from diplopia (double vision) I am a professional pilot and was passing medicals and LPC/OPC's with no problems. Throughout my ordeal the CAA were marvellous, and contrary to some reports thay really do want you to keep flying. My local Opthalmic Surgeon did the opeartion and about 8 weeks later I was judged to be within limits and happily have my licence back.
I am apologise for not posting earlier but I don't often visit this forum. If you want more information ask away and I will dig out my notes.
Good luck
To try to answer your questions as best I can based on a lot of research over a harrowing few months....
If you have Hypophoria outside the limits you will not be granted a medical. IIRC the limit for an initial is 1 dioptre, and the CAA have applied for an allowance to let you have 2 dioptres if you are experienced and are renewing your licence.
The CAA view (no pun intended) vertical squints as likely to cause double vision, and I very much doubt you will be able to prove to them that it will not afffect your flying ability.
Here is the good news. If the cause of your verical squint is caused by paresis (weakening) of the main eye muscle than subject to a number of tests and an operation you should be able to get your eye balance back to 1 dioptre.
In my case there are no exercises that would have helped.
Carrots won't help!
The FAA can grant you a medical with a SODA limitation (SODA=statement of demonstrated ability). I am not sure whether they will grant his to an initial application but they will (at their discretion) grant it to experienced people.
Yes there is hope!
I flew for nearly 8 years suspecting that there was something wrong with my eyes, but the human brain is a marvellous thing and it just copes. I never once suffered from from diplopia (double vision) I am a professional pilot and was passing medicals and LPC/OPC's with no problems. Throughout my ordeal the CAA were marvellous, and contrary to some reports thay really do want you to keep flying. My local Opthalmic Surgeon did the opeartion and about 8 weeks later I was judged to be within limits and happily have my licence back.
I am apologise for not posting earlier but I don't often visit this forum. If you want more information ask away and I will dig out my notes.
Good luck
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Eyesight! Jesus!, it keeps me awake all night!
I have amblyopia which doesn't appear to affect my Class 2, but I'm doing an FAA First Class in Florida next month which will require a SODA and a flight test, so please keep your fingers crossed for me!
I have amblyopia which doesn't appear to affect my Class 2, but I'm doing an FAA First Class in Florida next month which will require a SODA and a flight test, so please keep your fingers crossed for me!
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Well the consultant had bad news.
I failed and not by a small margin, i have 4 dioptres of hyperphoria, ure allowed 1. Guess thats the end of that. Unless anyone can tell me of anything that can help. I cant even get going in the states because it is the same.
Does anyone know if i can do the demonstated ability stuff for a class one in the states? Or am i pretty much grounded as far as commercial flying goes?
Good luck farrell, wish you all the best.
Thanks for everyones advice and help.
FlyinAnywayICan
I failed and not by a small margin, i have 4 dioptres of hyperphoria, ure allowed 1. Guess thats the end of that. Unless anyone can tell me of anything that can help. I cant even get going in the states because it is the same.
Does anyone know if i can do the demonstated ability stuff for a class one in the states? Or am i pretty much grounded as far as commercial flying goes?
Good luck farrell, wish you all the best.
Thanks for everyones advice and help.
FlyinAnywayICan
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Well, I was quite literally laughed out of a doctor's office here in Lyon today when I asked for a JAR Class 2 medical.
My amblyopic eye reads 2/10 uncorrected. Even though I remember the "expert agreé" telling me that he thought I was OK, the guy just didn't want to know!
I am at a loss as to what I am going to do now as I aml due to fly out to Miami for five weeks to do a PPL with EFT, who haven't answered my email about the problem yet!
Still praying that the FAA SODA will be accepted!
Wayne
My amblyopic eye reads 2/10 uncorrected. Even though I remember the "expert agreé" telling me that he thought I was OK, the guy just didn't want to know!
I am at a loss as to what I am going to do now as I aml due to fly out to Miami for five weeks to do a PPL with EFT, who haven't answered my email about the problem yet!
Still praying that the FAA SODA will be accepted!
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Easy steps to get it solved
I believe I can help you. Here are the steps. This is what I did:
1 Go an get it measured by an optician
2Take your reading to an eye consultant at your local NHS hospital
3Consult with him.
4 HE tell you what can be done
Dont accept "no" for an answer because I had this condition very bad, prob 10 times worse than yours. But I want this class one very much. On January 17 I went in for an operation on the left eye. I had 15 diopters and now it is just 3. He then told me that when the other eye will stop compancating for the imbalance the brain will reduce further its imbalance. I have to see him on the 23rd of march again. They asked me for a consultants report on the operation and thats what theyll be gettin. This concultant in the hospital will prob be more qualified than them, so they will take the consultants advice like the gospel. I also agree with IRishwings the good person, they are more leient on phorias than the other (tropias).
My main advice is never give up on it, I definitaly wont. theyll never here the end of me. That is if you want it as bad as I do.
I hope that it turns out as well for u as it did for me.
NOTE - This condition notes for no or poor colour vision and no 3d vision. If you lack these, ur beat. Luckily for me I was born with this problem and so my brain adapted with these features. So im gratefule. There is a risk of double vision with the operation, so its a gamble you gota take, I took it and I don't have double vision. If you gain this ur hammered before you even start.(including ur class two).
Good luck _ Here my e-mail address if you want any info. My uncle is an eye surgeon.
[email protected]
p.s If your older than seven, which I persume - Im afraid eye exercises or glasses don't do the tick.
1 Go an get it measured by an optician
2Take your reading to an eye consultant at your local NHS hospital
3Consult with him.
4 HE tell you what can be done
Dont accept "no" for an answer because I had this condition very bad, prob 10 times worse than yours. But I want this class one very much. On January 17 I went in for an operation on the left eye. I had 15 diopters and now it is just 3. He then told me that when the other eye will stop compancating for the imbalance the brain will reduce further its imbalance. I have to see him on the 23rd of march again. They asked me for a consultants report on the operation and thats what theyll be gettin. This concultant in the hospital will prob be more qualified than them, so they will take the consultants advice like the gospel. I also agree with IRishwings the good person, they are more leient on phorias than the other (tropias).
My main advice is never give up on it, I definitaly wont. theyll never here the end of me. That is if you want it as bad as I do.
I hope that it turns out as well for u as it did for me.
NOTE - This condition notes for no or poor colour vision and no 3d vision. If you lack these, ur beat. Luckily for me I was born with this problem and so my brain adapted with these features. So im gratefule. There is a risk of double vision with the operation, so its a gamble you gota take, I took it and I don't have double vision. If you gain this ur hammered before you even start.(including ur class two).
Good luck _ Here my e-mail address if you want any info. My uncle is an eye surgeon.
[email protected]
p.s If your older than seven, which I persume - Im afraid eye exercises or glasses don't do the tick.
