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Old 27th Apr 2011, 21:44
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N-VFR in Italy

Is there any special permission required for Night VFR flying in Italian airspace?

I will be operating a large twin turboprop in Italy this summer and VFR night flying is required to perform the work.
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Old 27th Apr 2011, 22:13
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No special requirement, but I'm not really into licence matters, I guess that there is no problem if you and your A/C are both certified
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Yes my crews and aircraft are certified to operate in EASA environment.

I´m primarily asking if there are any Italian national restrictions. It´s difficult to get reply to my enquiries to the ENAC.
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Hi! I don't remember very well, but there are only few airport certified for N-VFR in Italy: Bologna, Trieste and few other and so it depend from the type of operation you're going to perform... Maybe it will be necessary join IFR before to land and in Italy in the last week Visual is prohibited until new communications.

Now take all this info not as definitive cause I'm a brand new pilot and I don't have so much experience especially with N-VFR. Wait for more answer and sorry for my English

Somebody correct me if necessary!
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excerpt from italian AIP:

1.4 VFR night-flights are allowed to:

1) airplanes GAT (see para 1.8);

2) helicopters (see para 1.9);

3) national and allied military aircraft;

4) aircraft belonging to police, fire brigade and civil protection.


1.8 Rules for the conduction of aeroplane night flights
in accordance with visual flight rules (VFR/N)

1) Applicability

VFR/N aeroplane flights are subject to VFR
prescriptions as integrated by the following rules.

2) Meteorological minima

No VFR/N flight can be either planned nor
performed unless the reported meteorological
conditions show a visibility equal or greater than 5
km and a cloud coverage equal or less than 2/8
below 3000 ft AGL.
A VFR/N flight can be conducted within class C, D,
E, and G airspace, in visual reference to the
surface, under the following conditions:

a) take-off and landing: at least 5 km ground
visibility, cloud coverage equal or less than 2/
8 (in the local meteorological routine or
special reports) below 3000 ft AGL;

b) en route: at least 5 km in flight visibility for
flights performed below FL 100; at least 8 km
in flight visibility for flights performed at or
above FL 100; distance from clouds: 2000 ft
vertical, 3 km horizontal.

For flight operations over mountainous areas, the
horizontal in flight visibility must be of at least 8
km.

3) Minimum levels

Except for take-off and landing, VFR/N flights shall
not be conducted over hills and mountainous
terrain, even if in accordance with standard routes
and levels, unless a vertical separation of at least
1500 ft above the highest obstacle within a radius
of 5 NM from the estimated position of the airplane
has been achieved.

4) Aerodromes

VFR/N flights can be performed from/to
aerodromes open to night VFR.

5) Flight plans

To perform VFR/N operations a flight plan must be
filed at least 30 minutes before the EOBT
(Estimated Off Block Time).

With the exception of mixed VFR/IFR or IFR/VFR
flight plans accepted before departure, a change
from IFR to VFR/N is not permitted. A change from
VFR/N to IFR is instead permitted for
meteorological conditions deterioration or for other
safety reasons, provided pilot holds relevant
rating.

A flight plan is not required for local flights which
maintain a continuous radio contact with the ATS
Unit of the concerned aerodrome.

A flight plan filed to perform a VFR/N flight shall
contain indication of a suitable alternate
destination aerodrome.

6) Radio communication failure

In the event of radio communication failure the
pilot shall:

a) set transponder on code 7600;

b) divert immediately to and land on the
aerodrome chosen between those
aerodromes nearest and suitable, taking into
account the kind of traffic there operating;

c) report arrival by the most expeditious means
to the appropriate ATS unit.

7) Air Traffic Services

Radio contact with the ATS unit responsible for
service provision in the airspace concerned, must
be maintained. Air traffic services will be provided
according to the relevant class of airspace. All
requirements, restrictions and prohibitions
applicable to VFR flights during daylight hours,
remain valid.

8) Aeroplanes

Aeroplanes registered in Italy shall be suitable for
VFR/N in accordance with the Regolamento Tecnico
ENAC (ENAC Regulation).

Aeroplanes registered in foreign countries shall be
approved for VFR/N according to the respective
State of registry regulation.

9) Equipment

See GEN 1.5

10) Pilots

To conduct VFR/N flights pilots shall hold a VFR/N
licence in accordance with the Regolamento ENAC
"Regole dell'Aria", attachment 1, appendix 7 (ENAC
Regulation).

To carry other people on board during a VFR/N
flight, the owner of a pilot licence shall have made
at least 3 takeoffs and 3 landings at night with the
same type of aeroplane, as pilot in command, in
the preceding 90 days
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Berniecta thank you this was exactly the information I needed.

Our operation will probably fall under the "Civil protection" category so NVFR will probably not be a problem.

Thank you all for the quick and useful replies
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I've read that there is no problem flying a foreing registered airplane at night, but as it states in the previous excerpts pilots seem to need an italian VFR/N licence. This only enac can clarify...
Regarding night vfr airports you need to go through AD2/3 and check whether they are open or closed to night operations...
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Also Bergamo Orio Al Serio (LIME), if I remember well
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Night VFR in Italy will definately be a big big problem for you.

Bigger than you can imagine...

Don't trust what you read in the italian AIP...it's bull****...
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Don't trust what you read in the italian AIP...it's bull****...
Maybe it's bull****, but I would read it and maybe print it anyway, 'cause that would be (together with notams and weather) what your lawyer needs in case you're taken to court

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Approved
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Thank you guy´s for all the help. I have now received all approvals and information that I needed from the authorities.

We are operating 2 months on a humanitarian mission on behalf of the Italian government and operate only from one airport so I hope operations will run smoothly from there.

Best regards.
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In this case there will surely be a "clearance" for the night operations to be performed and all affected personnel will be able to grant the service. I'm not sure about the duration and altitude of your flight, and also distance from the cleared airport, but I'd suggest you provide yourself an alternative way to contact ATS units (apart from VHF) to inform them on Operations Normal (every 30'), as radio coverage over the sea and in mountainous areas tend to be bad or worse, if you are close to the surface. Or even ask for the phone number of the unit/center under which you will operate. All this, unless you will be in constant contact with an "operations center" that can rely your ON to the ATS units, to avoid any alerting phase being activated...
Have fun and hear you soon
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