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samatyranin 17th Apr 2020 08:23

I shall be finishing my ATPL by then or already being focused on finding a new job as a cadet. Maybe it will be my chance to slide in as non TR cadet there then.

PilotLZ 11th May 2020 08:42

Looks like HA-LYO is doing base training at CRA today. Good thing that some of the chaps who did the type rating course before The Great Airline Bloodbath of 2020 unfolded will now have the chance to finish it off and hopefully progress to line training soon.

Percula 11th May 2020 11:20

Looking at flight radar it does not look like base training.

Newcomer2 11th May 2020 13:16

Maybe touch and go's for the 3 months recency?

FlightDetent 11th May 2020 15:03

Probably can be done inside a sim for much less. Since pilots do their recurrent sim checks every 6 months anyhow, in fact an airline without any flying at all would have half of the staff inside the 90 days limit just because of those.

You could be right, but the necessity to do real-life landings, given the actual standstill, sounds remote.

flightbooking 11th May 2020 22:09

No, it cannot be done in the sim.

sonicbum 12th May 2020 08:55

(b) Aeroplanes, helicopters, powered-lift, airships and sailplanes. A pilot shall not operate an aircraft in commercial air transport or carrying passengers: (1) as PIC or co-pilot unless he/she has carried out, in the preceding 90 days, at least 3 takeoffs, approaches and landings in an aircraft of the same type or class or an FFS representing that type or class. The 3 take-offs and landings shall be performed in either multi-pilot or single-pilot operations, depending on the privileges held by the pilot;

flightbooking 12th May 2020 12:13


Originally Posted by sonicbum (Post 10780099)
or an FFS representing that type or class.

You are right, my fault. According to FCL.060 it is possible.

flightbooking 12th May 2020 12:26


Originally Posted by FlightDetent (Post 10779373)
Probably can be done inside a sim for much less. Since pilots do their recurrent sim checks every 6 months anyhow, in fact an airline without any flying at all would have half of the staff inside the 90 days limit just because of those.

You could be right, but the necessity to do real-life landings, given the actual standstill, sounds remote.


Indeed, it could be done in the sim, however do not forget that now there are a lot of pilots who were not in a sim in the last 6 months either as training stopped entirely including OPCs/LPCs.

I do not think the above was a base training for recency but I can imagine in certain cases it might be easier to perform the 3 LDGs/TOs in a real airplane in the pilots' home countries than accessing an FFS due to all the border closures.

FlightDetent 12th May 2020 13:00

Copy that. The logistics of dragging pilots to another country for SIM is something I missed completely. It is reasonable to cancel OPCs.

Licence re-validations are worth the hassle IMHO in cases where SIM is reachable. Out of recency, out of IR validity and out of job is not a comfortable position. Hated the shirt.

FlyingStone 12th May 2020 14:01


Originally Posted by flightbooking (Post 10780334)
I do not think the above was a base training for recency but I can imagine in certain cases it might be easier to perform the 3 LDGs/TOs in a real airplane in the pilots' home countries than accessing an FFS due to all the border closures.

For doing any kind of touch/stop and go, you'd want a qualified TRI/TRE as PIC, so not the easiest thing to get on site during lockdown.

PilotLZ 19th May 2020 18:00

Today's interview with Joszef Varadi suggests that Wizz air expect a net fleet growth of 14 aircraft in the next 12 months (22 deliveries, 8 retirements). Even on the assumption that everyone who was made redundant last month gets their job back, that would still mean some number of new vacancies, most probably towards the end of 2020. And, given that new aircraft come with some type rating slots with them, that might mean a highly competitive but also highly valuable in these dire times opportunity for the junior birdmen.

dirk85 19th May 2020 18:39

Wizzair runs with a ratio of 6 crews per plane, 14 planes mean around 160/170 pilots, and they just fired 265, your numbers are slightly off.

PilotLZ 19th May 2020 20:02

What I read was about a net increase in fleet from 121 to 135 planes, that with 8 of the present aircraft being retired and 22 new ones being taken delivery of. Those unfortunate 265 colleagues who got fired were part of the staffing for 121 planes. As it stands, a 135-strong fleet will need not only those 265 back, but also another 168 on top of them. Or was the pre-retrenchment number of pilots greater than 121×12?

TBSC 19th May 2020 20:49

You assume that the fleet (whatever its size is) will be used in full capacity. But it won't be.

PilotLZ 19th May 2020 20:55

https://centreforaviation.com/analys...-varadi-525092

It's the important people in Budapest making these assumptions, not me from the couch. Quote:

Growth is "an opportunity to restate our standing" in the industry

Wizz Air Group's current fleet numbers 121 aircraft (72 A320-200s, 41 A321-200s and eight A321neo ACFs, according to the CAPA Fleet Database).

Within a year this will grow by 14 aircraft, almost 12%, to 135, with 22 new deliveries and eight retired.

While the airline industry was "stepping backwards, cancelling and deferring", Mr Varadi regarded growth as "an opportunity to restate our standing" in the industry.

Many airlines would struggle to bring capacity back and demand would be lower overall, but Wizz Air could "come in and take space and stimulate the market".

dirk85 19th May 2020 21:03


Originally Posted by PilotLZ (Post 10787163)
What I read was about a net increase in fleet from 121 to 135 planes, that with 8 of the present aircraft being retired and 22 new ones being taken delivery of. Those unfortunate 265 colleagues who got fired were part of the staffing for 121 planes. As it stands, a 135-strong fleet will need not only those 265 back, but also another 168 on top of them. Or was the pre-retrenchment number of pilots greater than 121×12?

With a schedule running at 100% by flying the full fleet and the crews as close as possible to maximum legal hours, as I said, the company needs about 6 crews per plane. Obviously they are flying at a reduced schedule now, and decided to cut 20% of the people. The fleet was not cut by 20%, but it is unlikely that they will be flying at pre-covid levels in the next 12 months.

TBSC 19th May 2020 21:41

@PilotLZ Yep. Also everything will be back to normal by May; we can survive more than a year without flying; we won't ever need help from any government; we won't sell middle seats to provide distance between passengers; we sold and leased-back aircraft (while they doesn't own any); the first destinations of Wizz Air Abu Dhabi are announced (while these are only the normal Wizz DWC flights moved to AUH as DWC might not re-open for the summer); we will never have seating; we will always stick to a single-type fleet; we will never use central airports etc etc. Stock market talk. Besides it's nowehere stated that the capacity will be back to 100% only that it 'could' and 'would'.

Banana Joe 28th May 2020 12:49

New bases in Larnaca and Malpensa. Finally a base in Italy.

BarryMG 28th May 2020 15:29

After they fired most of italians in the company? :D


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