FredFlintstone

I think Vardi and O’Leary might have a competition going on who can be the biggest :mad: in low-cost. Not sure who’s winning..🤔 didn’t the Ryanair pilots agree on a 4 year reduction deal to retain jobs? How does that go hand I hand with hiring new cadets?

Good question. You would expect that in exchange for the 4 year wage freeze they would have negotiated, collectively, that for those 4 years no new cadets would be hired, or only once each and every crew member would be flying a full roster.

macdo

Yeah same time must be better to go for what’s available instead of waiting for something like a pan European thing that may never happen. Easy to end up like the guy sitting under the coconut tree on a deserted island waiting for a daring rescue that may never happen going for that option. Always heavy to think about these things but all in all should be far easier today considering the provisions are already there in contrast to earlier where they had to cut out the provisions for the first time. In the end, it boils down to common sense and not doing silly things considering the cut throat cost-cutting climate in place.

Union is difficult when you have different languages, cultures, salary needs, living costs and contracts. Big Europe plays into the hands of greedy business men with global ambitions. The lowest common denominator becomes the benchmark. There are many advantages of the EU but this is one of the downsides of the EU, time to admit it.

With the ever increasing involvement on the Italian market are there any news regarding ANPAC talks with Wizz or it's pilot's? I know this may be far fetched and we are in a middle of a pandemic but back in 2018 they've managed to get a CLA for Ryanair pilots as well.

​​​​​​I have no idea however absolutely nothing is happening in the UK: both wzz and BALPA are pretending that the other party doesn't exist.

Mind you BALPA is closing it's eye on VA's recent seasonal contracts as well...

Post-covid aviation/employment scene is going to look nothing like before and I'm afraid it's not going to be for the better.

booze, ANPAC or any other italian union can’t do nothing without subscribers , and as soon they realize that someone is dealing with union , well you know , bad apple good apple came into play.
They should sign in mass an let the company discover it the next day .

Well, you can't help them if they are not willing to help themselves.

I have personally seen recently cabin crew and pilot unions in Italy "targeting" wizzair crews in front of the terminal, offering help, even anonimously. One hour later the Wizz base manager was there, and everybody was terrified to even get close.
Less than a week later the big guns from Budapest came to base for a "friendly" meeting as well.

I heard any airline based in Italy now has to employ their crews on local contracts. Surely that means union involvement so what’s the deal with Wizz? They have to sort it out somehow. Will be interesting to follow on the sidelines as any sort of fair competition in Italy will be impossible if they’re allowed to circumvent it.

They already have a local contract, since they opened their bases there. Like they do in every country they operate from. If you want an agency contract that's always been a choice of the pilot. No need for union though, it's a take it or leave it deal. And they can and will change it anytime they want, at their sole discrection.

Okay. I see why they’re desperate to keep out Anpac. Both Ezy and Ryan are unionised with good conditions. Difficult to argue why Wizz shouldn’t be able to offer the same. But yes it requires the employees to collectively but their feet down..

So long, Norway!

Would you have a link?

Only in Norwegian, I am afraid.

https://e24.no/naeringsliv/i/aPmdl4/...singen-i-norge

Thanks! Google translate was my friend 😁

Lei
 

Leisure flights from OSL (Spliti, Larnaca, Chania, Alicante, Gran Canaria) are gone as well.

Such a shame.

About time someone showed them they can’t just walk in and do as they please.

Good riddance. Need to get rid of this outfit from more countries.

Base closing on the 14th. Funny how that works when there was an HSE audit scheduled for the 16th. Their «base» had the planes overnighting at OSL and crews flown in from GDN for extended hotel stays.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....dc8e6c678.jpeg

LOL. So they are closing shop two days before the audit day.

Meanwhile, from Norse Atlantic CEO:
source: https://simpleflying.com/norse-atlan...ht-attendants/

If you have a look at the majority of bad publicity for airlines over the last 5 years it has been due to crew/employee relations. Is penny pinching from employees only to lose millions on lost reputation worth it any more? Is the tide finally turning?

Until guys come together and get the guts to step up and speak nothing will change, it will be the same, they will use as much unpayed as they want, pay people as less and fly them as much as possible as "hardship" comes for all and easyship comes with xmas tickets! What one can expect in ops run by happy cabincrew that get to see an extra banana at the end of the month?

nothing will change, until there is a shortage of pilots. Which there isn't right now.

I managed to talk with quiet a few ex-colleagues at wizz in this past year or so. I would say that regardless that they were part of the 265 "bad apples" or not, 9 out of 10 despises the company on how they are relating with their employees and how they are generally handling contracts, base waiting lists, all hr, etc. However 9 out of 10 are also in favor of keeping quiet, staying under the radar, etc. just to be able to keep their jobs, to stay at home, or not to risk sliding further back on their home base waiting list, or even getting their jobs back however the terms and conditions. It is what it is. It seems that they are not willing to help themselves.

booze, that about sums it up. People stay not because there's anything wrong with them but because there is nowhere better to go in their local areas (and not everyone is happy commuting and spending weeks on end in a hotel or moving their entire life and family abroad). Sum this with some peculiarities of the Eastern European way of doing things, multiply by the low number and high competitiveness of any other pilot job opportunities since early 2020 and you get what you see.

Divide et impera works only with the necessary material.
According to announcements on LinkedIn Wizz started a cabin crew recruitment drive. One wonder if they already re-hired the 700 let go last year?

Not sure about cabin crew. The "latest and greatest" on the flightdeck side is that some of the guys and gals were called back and offered Confair contracts in some of the "less popular" bases, aka :mad:. Not sure about t&c-s, but wouldn't hold my breath, probably year 1 junior cpt rate for the left seat. Wouldn't be surprised if it was topped with a nice training bond for just why the hell not, right?

TBSC

The WUK cabin crew made redundant in 2020 were offered positions to return in 2021 on the same contract. A large number of them declined the offer, hence now the recruitment of cabin crew, this time using an agency and not direct employment.

A321drvr

While offered contracts are not even close to the 7-figure dream job you have, you still didn't guess any of that.

The "bad apples" thing wasn't 100% of the story, as far as I'm aware. Some of the unlucky 265 were made redundant because there was an instruction from above to let go of a specific number of crew members from each base, in accordance with anticipated demand in said base, and there were less "bad apples" than people who had to be let go of in said base. As a result, some perfectly good people got the axe. So, I would expect that at least 100 out of the 265 will be rehired, hopefully in the coming months. Some already have. Others have found a new story elsewhere.

If i were them I'd take it (i guess everyone's family and financial situation is different though) just to get current and recent ASAP. Once the market picks up I'd make my exit as quick and as inconvenient to wizz as possible though. Confair it is? I'd show them "confair" allright.

Wizz are calling pilots from the pool since today, but many have been hired by others outfits already, hence declining!

Often overlooked, there was a large pool of western pilots who relocated east (broadly speaking) to start and develop their careers at Wizzair.

Their full intention was never to stay at the base location for good. Typically to either relocate back home for EZY or RYR (better yet the legacies) or move further east for a properly paid ex-pat career. ME3, India or China.

Getting the boot accelerated this movement even if most of the historically expected options do not exist at this moment. Arriving to AUH on Wizz contract is not really it, even if some ME3 managers get thrown in. :\

Jokes aside, there is some grass-root movement. Eurowings just announced a 3 aeroplane-strong base in Prague, where WZZ could not get traction in the good days.

The western LoCos are working to secure workforce for the next 10 years to avoid HR bottlenecks in growth which is their shareholders' mantra. 1500 hrs cadets will go hot off the shelf to legacies - they're young, well trained and pre-selected already. The pink will have a hard time keeping them onboard namely because there's no good answer /or any answer/ to the question What happens after my command?

The opportunities for LHS will remain limited to ACMI providers until fast-track lanes show up in the west about 2 years from now.

If the good progress we're seeing continues on the battlefront against atypical employment modes, there is a stable future ahead.

And the long-awaited day when WZZ could still keep their east and cheap bases but no longer have access to an overabundance of western pilots who used to undervalue themselves at career start, below the proverbial McD's shift leader in their home countries.

Are those the 265 redundant pilots or external candidates?

FlightDetent

could you pass me next months winning lottery numbers please?

External, had my assessment in October and been in contact with the other applicants who passed since then, and all but one declined the offer now it seems.
But still grateful they did screen us back then. Nice people in Budapest.

I dread to think what would make people decline a job offer en masse these days.

I don’t know.. a backbone or self respect? Take your pick. Just a thought😉

Does this only apply to Wizz or is joining RYR now a respectable move?