Hi dboy !!

Thanks a lot for your reply !

Interesting story, very interesting info regarding the actual conditions proposed ! I also remarked that having or not the A320 type rating may be decisive for the recruitment team, and was undoubtedly a tactic implemented last year by Wizzair. I went in Bucharest for the November Open Day in 2014 and it appeared later that type rated applicants were put aside for the benefit of unexperienced pilots (as less as 200 hours !) without type rating. Doing so, Wizz had the possibility to deduct 1000€ of monthly salary for a period of 2 years.

What a :mad: aviation world !

Cheers

Was at the open day, and invited for selection in March.

30 years old, 2000 hours total, 1600 on business jets, not 320 rated.

If I can make a guess, NAVEX, they were probably looking for people with any JAR 25 rating AND experience on that type. It was in fact mentioned in the requirements.

Do not shoot the messenger, I agree it sucks.

Hi 560_Flyer !

Thanks for your reply

Indeed, it seemed they were looking for pilots with some experience and preferably type rated, according to the requirements. With regard to experience on type, I made sure it was not part of their request prior to go and I am sure it isn't mentioned through the pdf document.

On your side, your application is definitely interesting and deserves to be considered.

I wish you the best for the next step in Budapest !

I also know from an Pilot which is Type Rated on A320 with 2500 hours on type. And he aint got chance either.

Wizz wants to earn lot of money on low houred and non rated pilots.
And now want to see 500hrs TT ACTUAL flight hours and that stupid nonsense JOC.

About the JOC, debating about its point apart, quick search revealed wildly varying prices.

Any recommendations on a course which offers best ratio of bang/buck (might as well learn something if i have to spend money on it)?

OAA, is probably a bit more pricey, But I can fully recommend it

@ NAVEX: thank you very much for the wishes.
When I had the two minutes interview with the recruitment guy in Warsaw he was specifically asking whether my type was JAR23 or 25, and I suspect that if it had been 23 I would not had the invitation. They could have made it more clear in the requirements, true that.

@ P40Warhawk: they seem to prefer non rated candidates, but I do not think they are really making money out of the TR: if you have the cash upfront the cost is 11900 EUR and no deduction from your salary, which is a competitive price I would say. Otherwise they anticipate it for you and take it out of your payslip in a couple of years.
I agree that in a perfect world pilots should not be required to pay or have money deducted for the rating, but that's another story.

11.900 is the lowest price for the a320 T/R i think which includes the base training. Any idea of the salary if you pay your T/R in front?

thank you

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Do not shoot the messenger, I agree it sucks

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560_Flyer get the point!!

NAVEX320: sorry but you have to read carefully the requirements and in this case as you mentioned it, you don't have!!
you fail to have any JAR 25 Experience!!!!

P40Warhawk: Sorry you TOO cause I'm not agree with your words.

That's true Buddy! And I like fact not words so:
I was at the Bucharest Open day, but it seems you wasn't there!( that's strange anyway..)
Lot of People, different backgrounds ( few cadets, TR with Hours, TR no hours, NTR with hours) and for all the NTR during the interview they had the choice to do the TR with bond or to self sponsor the TR and be able to have a full salary then.( so HR asked evey one, and they follow then the wishes of everyone)..ask anyone in WIZZ they will confirm to you that!
SO YOU'RE CONSIDERATION, FALL HERE.

And I let you know too that a lot of A320 guys with few hours on bus were employed.
All other people from what I saw and heard from the guys themselves, they did not passed the first stage, 1st day assessment, because A lot of them need to review a lot of stuff, and study more :{
I even don't understand how to get that point and be unprepared!!!!!

Second day some people didn't pass the Sim, and as I heard from the same, they were unstabilized on the LOC...same happen to some NTR guys with even 1500 Hours on other JAR 25 ratings.

I'm not defending anyone nor even Wizz and I just like people know the real things and fact.

Then about the Wizz contract, that's another story, and it's true, sucks!
:)

The self sponsoring issue, is that with base training included? Or do you have to sign a bond for that?

By then, 3 years ago, the salary without reducing 1000 for the rating, was 1666 eur gross. And you got a per diem of 30 eur gross per sector.

But perhaps in the mean time they have changed the numbers.

so you get something like 1800 - 2000 euros? Thats not bad considering the bases wizz operates. Why is everybody talking bad about the company? I know pilots in the EU that earn less and they don't have the chance of building hours on the bus.

Offering the T/R for 11.900 and then a salary like that sounds like a good place to start building some jet hours considering the market at the moment.

On my opinion anyway...;)

The numbers did not change. The bond is still there (15k if I remember well) for 2 or 3 years, whether you self sponsor the rating or not.

Pay for FO is 20k gross, plus 30 eur per leg.
Tax in switzerland (5% roughly) and social security where based. Depending on base you might get service contract through an agency.

Depending on the country you are resident and your commuting status you might have to pay taxes there as well. See double taxation treaty.

SFO 25k a year and something like 35 per leg.

Loss of license and life insurance provided.

Travel benefits: 25 eur per leg on Wizzair flights, 25% discount for up to 5 companions.

Do you know if you apply as an "experienced" first officer you become a SFO quicker or everybody starts in the same level ?

Not sure about it, sorry, but they have a factorization system based on type of hours. Off the top of my head I remember something like 2000/2500 factorized hours. Not sure if you can join straight as a SFO.

Thank you very much for the info :ok:

Keep in mind that unless you are from eastern Europe, you have to maintain two house and commute, that ain't easy on that money.

Sorry i didn't get that. :confused:

If you are not from eastern EU and you get based for example in Budapest you can't rent a house and live there?

I am not interested in commuting contracts anyway. I love eastern EU and i would like to live there for some years.

In that case you would love it.

Not for everyone though...

Why you don'y get it, is not hard to understand at all!
Normal people have a life and house, i think, so if you are prepared to go any eastern country you have to keep in mind that you'll have 2 houses to pay!
anyway let's say you don't have anything to pay in your home country, salary is very low for a PILOT POSITION, don't you think?
Do you understand that you're gonna fly an aircraft with 180 pax,in a foreign country, where you have to pay for your accomodation, food, pay to come back home and back etc.

If you think that 1.6 k x month is good to be a professional pilot so maybe I lost my mind and ..please Go Ahead....

Budapest...mmm well you should be so lucky to get there...but probably you'll be relocated in Sofia or Craiova or any other :mad: place.

TR 320 (2 options)

Wizz option
30.000 eur
3 years bond
Lump sum after the bonding 7500 eur

FSC option
11900 eur special price for Wizz. Includes the base training organised by the company


Training pilots salary
F0 earns 12000 EUR per year
SFO earns 132000 EUR per year

To be considered sfo you need 2800 hours factorised.

Standard pilots salary

FO earns 20000 eur per year
SFO earns 25000 eur per year
CPT earns 40000 eur per year

Sector pay

FO 30 eur
SFO 39 eur
CPT 78 eur

Sectors are S-M-L-XL so you have a correction factor for each

Salaries and sector also varies depending on the base...

The SFO seems one of the best paid in the world 132000:}

13200 eur of course ;-)
Morning without coffee!

Hi,

I am JAR 23 type rated on turbo prop commuter with TT 5000 hours.
So with JAR 23 I have no chance to get an invitation?

Cheers

Sorry amiri air didn't call me yet ...

so in a couple of years if i have no better offers for jets i will consider wizz as a way to move on from the doooooomed props

i wonder where all you guys fly... anyway

By the way yes, i love the Balcans

Tango Romeo A320
 

Can you please, explain further the Wizz option? 30,000 euro of which how much does the candidate pay, 15,000 euro correct? This lump sum of 7,500 is paid after the 3 year bond by the pilot, in addition to the 15,000?

Thanks for your reply.

30000eur and you need to pay first 15000 eur from your pocket!
The rest will be taken every month from your salary.
The bond is for 3 years.
If you stay until the end of the period... Wizz is going to pay you back a lump sum of 7500 eur

For the factorised hours... Affirm
For the lump sum as well

For the 30000 eur type rating... It is maybe 30x1000 eur deduction from salary during 30 months... Then the lump sum is paid by Wizz...
The amount highlighted during the presentation was 30000 (but 15000 eur in brackets so I supposed that a part of this amount was to be paid but it seems more likely that your salary is going to be deducted of 1000eur monthly)

For me this is hard to believe. 3 years ago, you had a basic salary of 1666 eur ( which is the 20.000 yearly divided by 12). After passing the line check they reduce the basic salary with 1000 a month (= 666 eur gross) 15 months long. For the other remaining 15000 eur you had to sign a bond.

I am in this forum just a couple of weeks and i am starting to get the feeling here...

So let me get this straight...

If you are 19-25 , just finished a flight school in the balkans-East EU or just an EASA school (not ctc-oxford-cae-nasa...) and there is an airline that with an extra 11.900 (thats what i paid for my FI) will give you the bus , a salary 3 times or even more the basic salary of the country that you will be stationed :

List of European countries by average wage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List_of_European_countries_by_median_wage

and

the possibility in 3 to 5 years ( just when you are 30 or less) to apply to ANY airline in the world that you like...your advice is to say no?

And do what? protest in forums about the conditions so that wizz management will change them? If you don't work hard in your early career years when will you work hard?But i can understand that we are all from different backgrounds and everybody have different opinions, but please can you give me your alternative? Ryanair ?Even if the check your CV , in my case they didn't , 36000 Euros no pay during training(if i am not mistaken) and an average salary of 2500 but you have to live in Italy-UK or ''western'' EU? Same deal if you ask me. Volotea? pay 26000 for a dead T/R and worst salary than wizz(thats p2f for me)? What other deals are out there ?

propdude
 

People mainly come on these forums to complain.

Also this mainly seems to be a English speaking forum where the majority of pilots seem to be from W. Europe. To them the conditions may be appalling. While to other citizens from countries with Wizzair basing, it is likely they make probably more then 90% of people they know with Wizzair. Of course Wizzair uses this to it's advantage, and lately seem to prefer pilots based from those countries, because the W. Europeans bail ASAP, because for them it's a terrible deal, especially if they are commuting on top of it all. After-all it is not home.

Another thing is P2F is generally something that needs to go away. Before the recent economic break-downs it was not a common practice. It picked up speed in the mid-2000s, and here we are. So pilots who remember the days where an airline properly paid for you training, are still rubbed the wrong way by this. Especially being the costs are of it are very high, and for people with experience, and with that, usually a wife and maybe kids, paying so much for a TR is ludicrous, and goes against basic principles (and it does).

Just do your thing, live your life, and take what you read here as an alternative way of thinking, because this place can make you literally depressed sometimes. On the other hand, it also often provides good information. Cheers.

B767 , totally agree with everything :ok:

First of all : "there will be no other good jobs left" can you please give me an example? And don't dance around the answer saying go to the East or what ever. Give me a straight answer . company name. T/R they pay for you and salary. And if you can give me an answer can you tell me how many positions they offer? what about the 5000 rest low hours pilots? Should they P2f ? Should they just move on and waste all the time and money they spent or just fly ?

On my opinion rich spoiled kinds from the UK,France,Germany etc started and still support the p2f programs or the ridiculous 100,000+ euros MPL programs affiliated with the EU aviation pimps ( Oxford-CAE-CTC) . So direct your comments about labour rights to them probably.

Do you know that people go to camp (actually living in tents ) in Africa and beg for Caravan hours? Do you know people flying warriors as FIs training in terrible conditions for 9euros an hour with no basic salary? Where do you live? Where do you fly? Can you tell me please what you consider a good salary?

What kind of business today gives recent graduates a perfect salary and conditions? Can you name one please?
Friends from my high school that went for other careers, like law , business , etc and finished good schools (City , Berlin management School and the UoL ) actually spent years in internships and graduate positions before they where offered a junior executive salary.And if you include there Masters probably spent twice the typical 40.000 that i did for my CPL. The market - economy is not what it used to be 10 years ago.

PropDude
 

Just to have a feedback and try to understand what you write,I would like to know where are you from..Anyway
I'd like to point out something called, forgotten nowadays from a lot of young Uniform's "dreaming" macho, professionalism!
What we try to tell you is that is not fair to be in a bus with 180 pax and fly approx 90 h x month taking home something like Mc Donalds wage.
Your test above....well this is different story and really nice people, they understand the market, their profession, and they achieving their dream step by step.
And taking 9 euros, like you said, enjoying and having fun with some multi engine, or single engine pistons in a challenging places and flying conditions is something that you should dream about , believe me!
Responsibility is different, obbligation are different, the aircraft is different, everything is different so I think it shouldn't so hard to understand.
The same is not for WIzz for example!
Proper salary....well I can't tell how much is good or bad, depends always!
Check in the salary range and you'll find that normally you should take minimum 2 times the Wizz salary in other companies.
If Airlines Companies will always find people willing to take less and less, we soon reach a point where we will do the same as Chinese people are doing from different years nowadays in other fields= to destabilize the market. And this is what is actually happening in these years.
But....this is my Idea, this is my way to be a Pilot, to be called so and to be known as Pilot with respect!:zzz:

I fly in the Balcans -Eastern EU , spent 5 years working/paying(waiter-bartender and car salesman) for my CPL , one year as a cabin crew paying for my FI and after more or less 300 hours of FI (actually getting paid 9e/hour i didn't dream it ...i did it... Thank god i am lucky enough to fly a TP now in a regional airline. I am almost 34 years old though and my salary is the same with wizz


Working in the private sector for 8 years non stop while training. No big deal, lots of people do it just trying to give you some ''feedback'' as you call it...

I will not comment your last line " to be called so and to be known as Pilot with respect!". I don't think that you wrote it to offend anyone.


Thats why i am amazed to hear that kids just graduating refuse to go to wizz or any other company because the meals are not hot , or because you fly a lot or the money is not 3000 euros! Or what ever you think is right for a newly graduate. And as i was just reading some people even advice against Cathey

Can you tell me where you live/fly? Can you give me your alternate option? an actual airline that an average and i say that again , an average Low TT pilot can start his/hers career? Not with a BA Kingston-Oxford PHD aeronautical engineering???
Even after 10000000 hours of FI ?

"you should take minimum 2 times the Wizz salary in other companies" Examples please? For low TT only .


I know how 1600euros sounds to guys from North-West EU , but i also know from fact and personal experience that North-West Eu airlines don't hire guys like me! As a friend with 5000 hours TP and 2000 military jet coming back from a Norwegian airlines interview told me: "They will not hire anyone souther of the Alps" And you know what , i don't have nothing against that. They would probably like people with the same mentality-attitude and training and there is a huge difference between west and east

Anyway if i continue like this i will probably apply to wizz as a PR executive!

You're mind is tipically from the East....who take's all in his own, and get pissed of from any word!

No PropDude,
I don't! It wasn't to offend but read behind the lines!!!
The meaning is : a Professional Pilot in my mind shall and is able to, understand the contract in fron of him, and refuse or sign if think is fit with hios position!
So as I did times ago, low TT as you said, when saw the salary and the 1000 Eur deduction from the A320 Rating and the condition, I prefered to refuse.:=
This is nothing to do with sacrifice! this is to put down my title, put down my effort, put down the entire Pilots rights, is to downgrade my profession, ect...

So want you know where am I now?
Flying since 2011, end, in Africa, 737, well paid, good benefits, 50/60 hours max average montly,rarely night flight,a lot of rest days, 2on 1off, 4 ticket a year and get something like a CPT of Wizz earning nowadays with 90 hours flight!

In the north=?? No man, I don'0t think so, if you have the minimum requirements that's good but not enough, you need to passa the selections...they don0t have any preferences.

West different from East= completely agree!
I 've been in some of the East countries, and spent times overthere and dealt with normal life issues ( Bulgaria, Lithuania,even if I consider more north, etc) and I could tell you something i realized:

We (West) try to find any solution to any kind of problem and in an eficent way.
They(east) they find a problem in any circumstances, and aggravate and complicate the problem, so as to have at the end more complicated problems!:rolleyes:

Since i had my job, i'm not anymore searching as low times Pilot and I know for sure, it's not going to be easy, but I alwasy say this:
If someone want to be a pilot 99,99% he will be soon or later!
Loo at me, I flow over there, pack my stuff and find a better deal even if I'm not based in Eu, but I come back every 2 month.

I wasn't offended dude , even not when you called my mind eastern We just talk here. I wasn't even crying...
Yes we are different thank god for that

"We (West) try to find any solution to any kind of problem and in an eficent way".
Yes ! correct...
So you created p2f and aviation pimping.

Anyyyyyyway...So if i understand correctly you finished your flight school and like a respected western pilot, said no to wizz , flew all the way to Africa where a company paid your 737T/R and offered you the RHS wizz salary for a commuting contract....
Would love to know that company...but i am sure you can't tell me right?

Well now maybe i will cry...or better i will not... my STBY finished 28 minutes ago and tomorrow i have off , which means i am already 28 minutes late to go straight to my 24 hours sleep ( i am getting older...)


No need to continue this argument , your solution was to go to a sandpit , probably with no life and mine is to go to the eastern Europe with low salary but nice girls.

If you think about it we are both :mad: from the same system.

Thank you again guys for providing the info , safe landings to everyone.

That' the mentality...shame on you I think, that you want end up making West East Match...

There certaintly something wrong with this PPRUNE nowadays, too many not Professionals here and too many people trying to mess everything...
there was FAA> JAA
then Military>Civil
and now last EAST > WEST

P2F is another Trhead dude...this one is WIZZ....
P2f created from western country??...please tell me who, where, and when...

East> a lot of east company are doing the P2F, in some old and very SAFE company!! sarcastic Obvious

A lot of TRTO ( i think you know what does it mean)...look BAA and Air Baltic...selling TR and LT...SHAME!!!!!

You need to understand what you read MIster...do not shot the messanger:

I said I take as FO( and i'm not even flying 60 hours x month) the same salary as a Wizz Captain salary(who fly 90x month).....
I supposed that i did't have to mention FO..oh well sorry, understand that in east country every one became a MANAGER; SUPERVISOR,CAPTAIN with no experience, but here in the West we use years of experience before to promote someone

Ah well, is not my home country, this is for sure, but believe me till now I'm here, I like it, like the people, full of girls, hot I add, good weather, sea, beach, rest, everything I need..otherwise don0t worry cause if it was orrendous, with something like 3000 jet time tot approx...I can find places close to home, but it's not my priority now!

i don0t think so, at least for me...my priority is not stay at home with daddy and mummy ...and I'm a pilot and choosed to be a Pilot, so no hurt in expand my culture, languages, and travel around the words and leaving on different places....
I like that..
Good Luck to you...you deserve i think...or You can Go fly for Small planet...
maybe as Captain and happy to take 4K net x month! :mad: lol

Game Over Dude..

Wow...a bit hostile answer and i tried to close my last post on a friendly notice.

Maybe u are taking everything a bit personal...be careful this is the eastern way...

Calm your superior western mind my friend... and enjoy your sunny african nation with hot girls. An expirienced 737 FO like you should be more calm

And yes this is a wizzair forum, so why are you here again?

Also, what game is over??? Nice touch for a mean post i have to admit

I think you should review the word "friendly" or maybe your is different.

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Nothing personally, I'm just answering to you-

I'm not superior......maybe you feel Inferiority and now I understand more what you write here..
Really?..so You can see me?? amazing! and know if I'm calm or not..
Maybe you have to change job if you've got this talent!

Cause I have something to share, have experience and fact to speak about, but you don't have anything and here doing mess, that's all!

I used to find solution for a conflict till a point, but you're style is so low level and for me is enough to waste time with you.
That's all.. no offence, you'll find someone else to spend your afternoons with

This forum never ceases to amaze me. Usually a guy appears saying your conditions are sh**, you are flying a lot and you have to commute, etc. - and then the same guy says yeah I'm flying a [insert aircraft type] in some obscene place at World's End and I get 4 tickets per year to go home. Everybody join, conditions are the same as with legacy carriers... :ugh:

You obviously cannot compare a salary for flying from EU base to EU destinations (well, 90% of them) to flying from Africa to Africa. Apples and oranges. I agree, you should be and luckily you are compensated for working in much more difficult flying/living environment (I've been there), but some people prefer to be home or at least close to home and accept a bit lower salary for this privilege. And no, being a pilot does not mean you must live out of your suitcase - as much as some management guys want us to believe.

You'll never get everything you want. If you disagree, please find me a job that makes me fly brand new aircraft 10 days a month from my home - and all this for only 20 k€/month net.

You are flying in Africa and you dare say the phrase "here in the West" in the same sentence? Have you even been to Africa?