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Pinuz89 16th Apr 2019 17:46


Originally Posted by pilotbekesi (Post 10448364)
Hi all,

I am finishing ATPL in a month and I am looking into MCC\MCC ATS corses.
Im 28 years old and I have 450TT and a season as a tug pilot in UK thats worth mentioning as an experience on my CV.
My primary target is Ryanair for number of reasons.
For MCC ATS thats what they say as we see
  • Will be given preference during selection
  • Will be at a distinct advantage in the interview and assessment process

But I find it a bit pricy compare to a "regular" MCC.
How much do you guys know about this distinct advantage as they say?
Can I still get a call from them if i do only MCC?

Thanks

The APS course is more complete, because there is a little test at the end, and you will do 40h instead of 28.
So, the course itself is better in terms of preparation, but I'm my opinion there's no difference for Ryr.
If they want to take you, they will, otherwise they won't.

If you have any doubts for the APS, the traditional MCC/JOC is absolutely still good for everyone.

aviationfanatic 16th Apr 2019 20:36


Originally Posted by Pinuz89 (Post 10449015)
The APS course is more complete, because there is a little test at the end, and you will do 40h instead of 28.
So, the course itself is better in terms of preparation, but I'm my opinion there's no difference for Ryr.
If they want to take you, they will, otherwise they won't.

If you have any doubts for the APS, the traditional MCC/JOC is absolutely still good for everyone.

You have suddenly become an expert on RYR's assessment requirements and what they are looking for,

Ryanair does prefer APS MCC candidates and it is clearly stated on their minimum requirements

Pinuz89 16th Apr 2019 23:06


Originally Posted by aviationfanatic (Post 10449101)
You have suddenly become an expert on RYR's assessment requirements and what they are looking for,

Ryanair does prefer APS MCC candidates and it is clearly stated on their minimum requirements

Dude, I know the difference between APS and MCC/JOC, and I even know that it's not a requirment at present for getting a job.
I said in my opinion, again, "in my opinion", that it's not the reason why Ryr is taking a candidate or not.

Is it my right to express what I think, or should I ask your permission ?

We are sharing our experience and infos in order to help each other, that's the task of this forum, not insulting people.

Please be polite !

A320LGW 17th Apr 2019 13:57

Does someone know what the application form is that they are looking for when attending the assessment? Is it something from the CAE website where we uploaded our documents?

GomuGomuPilot 17th Apr 2019 15:08


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 10449602)
Does someone know what the application form is that they are looking for when attending the assessment? Is it something from the CAE website where we uploaded our documents?

Type "Ryanair Boeing 737NG Type Rating CAE" on google, (mostly the first link after ads) then click apply now. It will take all the details then will let you upload your doc.


GomuGomuPilot 18th Apr 2019 00:30


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 10450000)
Thank you for that, i'm looking something a bit different though. I have applied and passed the online assessment, now i have been invited to attend the assessment in Dublin. In the list of documents they are requesting for me to bring they say 'application form', i don't remember any specific application form ... so was wondering what they mean by this?

Haha sorry, how did your online assessment went, Specially atpl qustions (did you find them easy)? And other exercises?.
(reply when you get the time since you ate preparing for an assessment). Thank you.

anto125 18th Apr 2019 03:29

Good luck a320! No info about application form

As for the aps I think the great advantage at sky4u for example (Where I did my basic mcc) is that you already train on ryanair procedures and standards, even if during an assesment I guess you're not supposed to know them.
Had a friend who just got in after aps mcc at virtual aviation

Pal33 18th Apr 2019 08:18


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 10450000)
Thank you for that, i'm looking something a bit different though. I have applied and passed the online assessment, now i have been invited to attend the assessment in Dublin. In the list of documents they are requesting for me to bring they say 'application form', i don't remember any specific application form ... so was wondering what they mean by this?

you get the application form in the briefing pack once you have been given a date and paid for the assessment in Dublin

Fede84 18th Apr 2019 09:08

Hi, I will be on assessment the 24th.

A320LGW 18th Apr 2019 10:15

Got it, thanks!

Pinofly 18th Apr 2019 17:30

assessment
 
Anyone on the 30th April in Dublin for the assessment?

pilot1997 19th Apr 2019 13:05

Anyone going to start Type on 1st july and do simulator in Amsterdam? CAE1907 :)

voyotv 22nd Apr 2019 22:14

DODARRR
 

Originally Posted by Pinuz89 (Post 10435878)
Anyway the departing aerodrome was the nearest, so no need for a diversion to others.

And at least a briefing to your colleague is always a good idea, in order to make a decision agreed together.


Originally Posted by Antonio Montana (Post 10435951)
I think its best if I clarify for you, if you are going to an airport other than destination, it is a diversion. Yes you need to discuss this option with the other pilot, but it does not need a DODAR, just a simple process, for example ' We have just left Liverpool, it is Cavok, its close, we can hold etc'

If it helps, I would have dealt with it this way.
We have a passenger with a suspected heart attack, we are near our departure aerodrome, I suggest we divert there, (taking into account the weather), see if your partner agrees, if not why not.
Tell ATC and Hold at present position, or a nearby fix.
Give control to your Sim Partner.
Set up FMC, Nav Aids etc for expected approach, get fresh weather.
Brief
Inform the Cabin crew and passengers
Checklists
Approach and land.

If in doubt keep it simple, it does tend to work.

A little old, but I though your reply was funny, so I have to comment :D

You say this situation doesn't need DODAR, but than you immediately contradict yourself by actually doing a DODAR!

D = DIAGNOSE = "We have a passenger with a suspected heart attack,..."
O = OPTIONS = "We have just left Liverpool, its close..." / "We are near our departure aerodrome,... so"
D = DECIDE = "I suggest we divert there, (taking into account the weather),..."
A = ASSIGN TASKS = "Tell ATC and Hold at present position, or a nearby fix,...; Set up FMC, Nav Aids etc for expected approach, get fresh weather...; Brief...; Inform the Cabin crew and passengers..."

Congratz, you just did a DODAR... :)


Originally Posted by Antonio Montana (Post 10435751)
"...it does not really require a NITS Briefing either..."


Originally Posted by Antonio Montana (Post 10435751)
I would inform ATC, the Senior and of course a PA for the passengers,...

Well, that's the point of a NITS brief.. to inform the Senior..

So in reality you would do both DODAR & NITS.. which you should..

Antonio Montana 23rd Apr 2019 06:35

Voyotv, you have quoted me out of context, it seems you don't understand the point I was trying to get across.

DODAR is an aid to help with decision making during an abnormal situation or emergency.
Each of the acronym stands for something that allows Pilots to come back to a situation to re-analyse their course of actions and the next required tasks.
If you have time, you can do one as a team, it is not designed to be used in a throwaway way, just to impress the Sim instructor, something I see all too often by cadets .


Well, that's the point of a NITS brief.. to inform the Senior..
A NITS brief is to inform the Cabin Crew, via the Senior, of a situation they may need to prepare the cabin and passengers for, if you are returning a perfectly serviceable aircraft due to a problem with a passenger, it does not need a NITS. Again something I find overused in the SIM, by inexperienced crews.

If you are going to do them, then do them properly, which means working as a team.

As I said Keep It Simple, it does work. I know from experience, more than once.

voyotv 23rd Apr 2019 10:06


Originally Posted by Antonio Montana (Post 10453641)
Voyotv, you have quoted me out of context, it seems you don't understand the point I was trying to get across.

DODAR is an aid to help with decision making during an abnormal situation or emergency.
Each of the acronym stands for something that allows Pilots to come back to a situation to re-analyse their course of actions and the next required tasks.
If you have time, you can do one as a team, it is not designed to be used in a throwaway way, just to impress the Sim instructor, something I see all too often by cadets .


A NITS brief is to inform the Cabin Crew, via the Senior, of a situation they may need to prepare the cabin and passengers for, if you are returning a perfectly serviceable aircraft due to a problem with a passenger, it does not need a NITS. Again something I find overused in the SIM, by inexperienced crews.

If you are going to do them, then do them properly, which means working as a team.

As I said Keep It Simple, it does work. I know from experience, more than once.

The point is..

You are giving bad advice to people reading this thread and trying to pass the assessment. You need to FULLY brief DODAR and NITS, that is the whole point of the assessment. They assess your CRM, cooperation, briefs and performance under stress. And by not fully briefing “by the book”, you WILL FAIL.

People are not interested in how would you personally deal with this in a real world situation. In order to get there you first need to pass the assessment.

You probably also don’t drive your car the way you did on your check ride with your examiner, do you..?

Antonio Montana 23rd Apr 2019 11:30

Voyotov, it has never been my intention to lead anyone in the wrong direction.

I cannot comment on Ryanair as I have not performed any sim assessments for them, you obviously have lots more experience than I do with Ryanair.
The companies I do assessments for with cadets, have a different criteria, this is not a comment against Ryanair, they have some of the best training in the business, its their toy set they make the rules.

If they want a DODAR and a NITS brief, then use a structured brief, the whole point is it will aid you.

I have written a very detailed synopsis of a DODAR and NITS, on page 441 post number 8806.

I suggest as someone who does this for a living, that you and others study the structure and learn from it.
You want to be a professional then be one, it is process driven, there is no need to rush it.
The Examiner is not there to catch you out, nor are they looking for perfection, be professional, clam and relaxed and you will be fine.
Good luck with your endeavours.

SID PLATE 23rd Apr 2019 11:45


Originally Posted by A320LGW (Post 10450309)
Got it, thanks!

Don't mention your pprune login name. It wouldn't go down too well. ... or change it to B738GDN

The Crew 24th Apr 2019 22:35

Has Anyone done DEC non rated assessment recently? I was wondering if I will be asked tech questions on my current type, or on the B737?

PM me if you like .

Hawker400 25th Apr 2019 10:06


Originally Posted by The Crew (Post 10455056)
Has Anyone done DEC non rated assessment recently? I was wondering if I will be asked tech questions on my current type, or on the B737?

PM me if you like .

From what I've seen for all candidates you will definitely be asked on current type (or class in the case of cadets), and what appears to be a test on your level of knowledge of the 737. This is all at the oral interview, confirmed by a few mates, experienced in commercial/corporate but NTR on 737.
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ionut92 27th Apr 2019 16:11

Anyone here starting Type on the 8th of July(intro week) in EMA FR1907?


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