Ryanairrecruitment

Ermmm...ok. I posted one (neutral) answer regarding when your account was created. Nothing more, nothing less. I find it kind of unfriendly, to say at least, to receive this answer; especially from a professional account representing an airline.

Ryanair are that desperate they’ve actually come here to cry fake news. Those who have contributed here are all offering sound advice. Why wouldnt you want to know all of the facts before parting with 30k for a job that currently does not exist.

If Ryanair were so sure this was as good as it gets they wouldn’t be here slagging people off they’d be putting the facts straight and giving you all the answers, after all this is the Ryanair interview and assessment thread right?

So c’mon Ryanairrecruitment put the record straight, prove us all wrong and provide the valuable information these people are seeking so they can see what it is they are getting themselves into... or is that not what you want?

And to save those from saying this is a job then here is the very meaning by definition:


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I would really want to know where you get your information from? I personally have 2 close friends who work for Ryanair now and they started a few years ago, same thing 30k upfront etc.

How do you know you dont get a job? Because as I read your comments you are basically already assuming Ryanair will not offer you a job after the TR

I get my information from people going through this very scheme now. Two years ago is irrelevant because there wasn’t a pandemic and the world wasn’t closed.

You do not sign anything but a training contract which covers TR, base training and line training, there’s zero guarantee you will be offered a job when that finishes. This may have worked in the past when the world was flying and people just wanted their hours then leave for greener pastures however that is no longer the case. No one is flying and no one will leave for sometime to come. Pay has been frozen until 2024 that tells you all you need to know in terms of a realistic demand forecast.

So ask yourself: when will you be needed and what guarantee do you have that that will be summer 2022? How will you keep yourself and your rating current between finishing the training contract and being employed? If or when that even happens.

Ask your mates how much flying they’ve done in 12 months and you’ll have your answer. Also, If no one can move on and demand isn’t there for sometime to come where are you going to fit in?

Like i said previously I am happy for Ryanairrecruitment to correct me if I am wrong. I have a hunch they won’t offer anything constructive though.

What I am trying to say is that it was always like this, always cadets paid for the TR and there was never a job guarantee. (With airlines like RYR hiring cadets)

Before I started my ATPL training I investigated and it was pretty clear for me that I would have to pay the TR myself. Or the airline has some kind of bond or the TR needed to pay upfront. It seems that many people are surprised by the fact that they need to pay for their own TR and now are frustrated because they only calculate the cost of the ATPL and probably thought that this investment was enough to bring them in the cockpit.

Off course this scheme is risky without a job guarantee but it always been like that, some people suggest here to wait. I know guys that finished and waited…waited… and waited… And are still waiting..

In 2019 the TR cost was 5k and included a bond, there was a level of commitment from both sides. Right now there’s zero commitment from Ryanair and all the risk is on the cadet. Would you buy a car for 30k if there was a chance it may be delivered sometime in the future but it wasnt guaranteed? probably not. You could even argue that at least you get a 737 TR but its all but useless without the hours on type, less so in todays market.

The guys you know are waiting because realistically that is all you can do right now.

Well the cost are still the same, you end up still paying 30K, off course the risk with the 5K is much different but at the end the cost are the same.

What I hear from friends who are working actually for RYR that this offer is not too bad. If they hire you they need you, they will not train you and afterwards tell you that you can go home.
If you start now and finish in 6/8 months the world looks allot different, if not. Well then probably you will be flying not much. Its a risk, but the guys who find jobs quickly take risk and don’t sit in home waiting for better times.

It its a offer, maybe in the future there will be a better one, but when?
The more time you wait the more difficult it will be to find a job.

- If anyone could give me some recent tips for the assessment, appreciate it!

Actually they will.

And they won't need you after your training, but need you now for your 30K.

They will and they have. Just ask the guys who were training as covid hit. You are sorely mistaken if you think otherwise.

One of my friends works as a LTC for Ryanair and he tells me that the cadets he trained have had the same scheme as this and they all got hired afterwards.

Clearly the line training takes much longer due to COVID but they are flying and as soon as there are more flights they will be scheduled more. But they still receive salary its not that they are done after the training.

Like Banana Joe said, this deal will not be for everybody. If you have the finance’s and you are willing to take a risk, go for it.

Ryanairrecruitment seems to have deleted his falsehoods

Flying90,

Its a fixed term 6 month line training contract with Bluesky Aviation, not Ryanair. Its 16K pro rata excluding a small addition per block hour. How are you going to relocate pay rent, fuel food and any loan repayments on that?
When that ends you go back home and thats that.

Thats not what I am being told. My information comes from pilots from RYR and the cadets are offered a job afterwards.

Like I said, the deal is not for everybody if you don’t have the finance’s the offer is not for you. But if you do have, than with the basic salary you should have just enough to cover or almost cover your living expenses.

I am telling you what the current cadets are being offered.

If you don’t want to listen then by all means go for it. Just don’t complain if it doesn’t work out.

Flying90

Ryanairrecruitment, is that you?

Flying90

Your lack of knowledge and experience of the industry shines out in all of your posts.

You are being given sound advice from others and simply spouting “if you have the money it’s fine”; precisely what Ryanair is wanting to hear.

Being a pilot involves a huge amount of risk based analysis and risk mitigation. What you’re suggesting is an incredibly poor example of both.

Highly experienced LTC in RYR currently on (maximum) 1 flight a week, but sure they need all these fresh new cadets... or just their cash?

Wake up :ugh:

I would like to reiterate the advice I gave on my previous post and the one given by many others before me. WAIT, be patient for a couple more years lets see how this thing develops.
As I said, it's true that Ryanair might give you a job at the end of training, but don't think that it will come easily (pay for type 30k + living expenses during the type + living expenses during base training + living expenses during the supernumerary flights + living expenses during unpaid leave + living expenses during line training).
It does not show good judgment if you make a decision impulsively on a rush with this amount of risk.
There will be airlines recruiting, not sure when but they will eventually need pilots. Let's not forget what was happening before the pandemic, the Asian and middle east carriers were recruiting so aggressively and that caused many opportunities here in Europe. Seeing the fleet orders from such airlines could potentially suggest a similar outcome in the future. The last thing to consider is pilots retiring, many pilots have taken the pandemic as an opportunity to accept early retirements and although this does not justify a recruitment campaign for many European airlines at the moment it will be an opportunity when things return to pre-pandemic levels.

kendrick47247

Your tone and ‘’positive’’ mindset will get you there mate.

Pilots are risk evaluators, I agree. This offer is not great but it's the only offer at this moment for cadets.

Cadets come to this forum to find information regarding the assessment but will find people like yourself who are only complaining and complaining..

Good luck!

Great, you see that it’s the only offering at the moment. Now go a little further and ask yourself why they decided to open this scheme in the middle of the lowest point in aviation history?

Maybe just maybe it’s because they know a load of naive low hour pilots will be desperate to get into an airline and they can take advantage of that. They currently have zero competition so they can milk it as much as possible.

They come on here and talk a load of rubbish instead of showing everyone why it’s so great.


Also for anybody that thinks ‘why would they get rid of you after all that training?’ SIMPLE they haven’t invested a single penny in you, that’s why they can easily get rid.

Flying90,

I personally don’t care if you wish to go ahead with this scheme. I’m just providing you with the facts based on what those are being offered right now, not two years ago. If you choose not to listen then thats on you.
Those who have recently started have done so accepting the risk and we’ll soon find out if that pays off.

Your general attitude comes across as extremely poor and it won’t do you many favours in any airline i know. Humility goes a long way.

Good luck.

Might be wise not to read too much into a username as well? Particularly when it is a bit too obvious.

Completely agree. The one that is apparently stating the facts and trying to give sound advice, is clearly doing anything but. I’ve also noticed contact approaches false T&Cs being shared on LinkedIn and doing the rounds. The one that is also telling people that they won’t make it in the industry with the way they come across on here. Well, getting information completely wrong also doesn’t work well in the industry. hmm I wonder what he’s like with following SOP’s?

Prove me wrong then.

I thought so.....

my false T&C’s actually turn out to be real T&C’s and they make some here look really stupid.

Like I say, just bloody wait!

They’re not though are they pal.

‘Training contract with Blue Sky Aviation’ - Incorrect

‘Cadets are paid 16K’ (later changed your mind to 15k) - Incorrect

‘Total earnings at best 6k’ - Incorrect

‘Employment contract once received will be a zero hour contract’ - Incorrect

‘Training contract not issued until day 1’ -Incorrect (it’s issued weeks before commencement date)

and the best one yet: ‘Further employment subject to performance (NO SICK DAYS)’ - Incorrect

I mean that last one is laughable, as if they would penalise you for having to take sick days, especially during a pandemic.

I’d suggest checking your sources again.

You are entirely incorrect. The line training contract is with blue sky aviation and the list continues, I know because one of my mates is doing it right now!

This gen is direct from the horses mouth.

The resistance I’ve had on this thread is alarming considering I present factual Gen and at no cost to myself. The mind boggles.

Nope, you’re still wrong.

Id maybe double check those facts with your ‘mate’ before you spout a load of nonsense on here next time.

So if all of that is incorrect...I presume that you would have the correct information to share?

Dashcam

C’mon then bigboy, prove me wrong.

Its funny how all these clowns say I’m wrong without backing it up with anything but :mad:.

Ive got the contract, I can read what it says.

Be my guest buddy.

Copy some word for word statements from the contract to back up your facts, and I’ll see if it agrees with what I actually have here (Not with something I’ve heard off a mate).

Take some time off Pprune perhaps, it will do you some good.

I’ve got better things to do with my time (like talking to a brick wall), than coming on here just to be called a clown.

I once visited a brothel and asked the prostitute if she would be happy to pay me so that I can train her up. She can then move on to bigger and better wonderful things. She declined and said "I'm a prostitute, not a Ryanair cadet"

Dashcam

So to be clear, you have time to say someone else’s claims are all wrong without providing any of the ‘factual’ information to prove it so?

You can just publish what’s written in the contract if ‘you have it there’ as you say then let people make their own mind up as to what’s true and what isn’t.

I cannot publish something that doesn’t exist in the contract. For example, no where does it suggest that taking sick days during training would have a negative impact on the likelihood of being offered an employment contract.

If you go back to my previous posts I have corrected him on things like exact pay already.

Im just trying to set the record straight with a few things. Fair enough if you don’t agree with the cadet scheme etc, but please don’t just make stuff up.

I would imagine that when the major airlines start recruitment, they'll be looking for young pilots who are current and motivated rather than wise old sages who have been sitting it out waiting for the airlines to come begging.

Dashcam


Contract Details

• 6 month fixed term contract with 3rd party - not Ryanair.
• Cost: 30,000 Euros plus assessment fees, security pass, uniform, accom, food etc.
• Salary reduced 20% to £16,800 for UK guys. 16,800 Euros for EU guys. Plus £12.83/SBH. Paid onwards from Base Training.
• UK guys get UK contracts, EU get EU contracts.
• No salary during TR so will have to relocate at their own expense for LT at short notice.
• Base allocation likely UK guys UK and EU guys EU. Cadets don’t know their actual allocation until after BT.
• After the 6 month contract employment is subject to performance and business demands. Leave expected.
• This is a fixed term 6 month training contract only with a 3rd party provider. Not an offer of employment with Ryanair.

Am I wrong Dash? Now if you’d like to add anything useful to this thread then by all means do.

Like i said. Just wait until there is suitable business demand and you should be ok .

Yes these are correct, although adding things like ‘leave expected’ is just a matter of opinion, it does not say this. You just can’t help yourself. I admire it in a way.

Let’s just hope things pick up sooner rather than later hey, all the best.

They have been told to expect leave... potentially starting summer 2022. But who actually knows what is going to happen? There are many grey areas which favour the company and not the cadet.

Contrary to popular belief I don't hate Ryanair. I just want people to be aware of all the facts. There has been a race to the bottom for many years and not one of us prosper from it. This scheme merely adds flames to the fire.

I’d prefer to fly with FO’s who can afford to eat and don’t feel under pressure to work when they’re sick. I also prefer to place confidence in a recruitment policy which rewards competency and motivation over those who can afford to pay/gamble and with great risk. It’s pretty simple stuff really.

Dashcam

Do I get payed during type rating? No
Do I CERTAINLY get a contract with Ryanair after successful completion of line training? No
A friend of mine got hired in Ryanair just a couple of months before covid outbreak. He had already 1500+ hours in jet. He didn't pay a single penny for the type rating. On the contrary, he was paid from the very first moment he started the type rating. Do you see any similarity to the 30 k - no job guarantee - no Ryanair contract - no salary during type rating thing?
And guess what? Ryanair dismissed him during covid outbreak just like many other pilots. Why exactly does Ryanair need cadets now when they have already dismissed experienced pilots?
​​​​​​What are you trying to sell? Stop playing with young pilots hopes and dreams to raise money. We are noone's puppets.

What every sensible person is saying is that we should wait and see when aviation will recover and not rush things. There is no job demand for low hour pilots now. None whatsoever. And no-one knows when that will change.

Just a little aside, Braathens in Sweden have just started recruiting and seemingly no requirement on minimum hours on their ATR fleet (no cost for TR either I believe)

EASA licence + EU passport and ability to speak a Scandinavian language are required. Signs of recovery are appearing in the industry and Ryanair’s claim of ‘they’re the only ones that will hire low hours in the next 5-7 years’ is already proven to be rubbish.

Another great sign is that I hear the Jet2 apprentices that were all recruited at the back end of 2019/early 2020 have been told that they’re potentially coming back around June/July, this isn’t concrete but good to hear nonetheless.

Dashcam

Out of curiosity Dashcam, have you signed up for this training programme yourself?

Could it be that some airlines are looking at taking on young recruits in order to keep their costs down in order to try and stay in business.

I am not at all convinced that particularly Jet2 retaking on apprentices, as alleged, in fact a couple of Jet2 colleagues are saying they have had little to no communication from the company. They say they are all in the dark.

Given that RyanAir are providing TR for cadets then entrance to 1500 hour jet blokes may be more difficult due to expected influx of raw aircrew. My RyanAir contacts claim that they are to reintroduce command upgrades shortly. There has been a loss of captains in the last 18 months and now that they anticipate flying the Max look to expand their business at the expense of their competitors who are more hamstrung somewhat.

I will be certainly interested in watching the outcomes in the next 12 months or so. Of course this does not help anyone looking for comfort in desire to become an airline pilot.