I'm saying RYR will bring back all the current pilots they have sitting at home before any of these people get a call. I doubt the current crews will be called back this year.

For those hoping in a quick recovery take a look at Ryanair financial year report. They will close fy 2021 with almost 1 billion loss, which is not bad all things considered, but they still predict barely to break even in 2022.
Better than most companies, but just to give you an idea if how long it’s going to take to go back to 2019 levels.

Ryanair expects to report a loss of between €800m and €850m Low-fares airline Ryanair has reduced its loss forecast in respect of the 12 months to March 31 this year.

Ryanair has said it expects to report a loss of between €800m and €850m in its financial year 2021.

In February the airline said it expected to report a loss of between of between €850m and €950m for the period, in what it said would be “the most challenging year in Ryanair’s 35 year history.”

The Ryanair Group's full-year traffic was 27.5 million for the 12 months to March 31, down from 149 million in its financial year 2020, which ended at the early stages of Covid-19 restrictions across Europe.

The airline’s passenger numbers were impacted over the last 12 months by Covid-19 travel restrictions.

Year-end cash at 31 March was over €3.15bn, down from €3.5bn in December.

In a statement today the airline said Easter travel restrictions and a delayed traffic recovery into the peak summer season means that financial year 2022 traffic is likely to be towards the lower end of its previously guided range of 80 million to 120 million passengers.

Ryanair said that while it is not possible at this time to provide meaningful profit guidance in respect of its financial year 2022, “we do not share the recent optimism of certain analysts as we believe that the outcome for FY22 is currently close to breakeven.”

Hi guys,
has someone from the first courses in February, already finished the T/R?

when most of the ground school is distance learning over zoom with considerable self study, I highly doubt it!

FR2102 are coming up the the last fixed based sessions this week... my guess they'll be done by mid May in the SIM. might be a wait for base trng

Might be a wait for an employment contract also...

So Ryanair aren't rebounding and hiring like crazy? Who could have predicted that!

Cadet training now starting in Bergamo too, possibly two more locations in Europe.

The deal is, type rating now and unpaid leave until summer 2022.
​​​​​Unpaid leave make it sounds like you are an employee, but make no mistake ... You aren't!

Who has attended Ryanair's cadet webinar yesterday? They seemed very pissed when they were asked about the no job guarantee thing asking us to stop reading :mad: full of negativity in pprune 😄

Just out of curiosity ? TR validity is 12 months, so I wonder how things are going to work for the cadets.
Before the pandemic, they had a very clever rule to put cadet in the sim every 21 days before LT, would it be the same here ? What about renewal, who's paying for that ?

Guys,

Your TR will have to renewed by yourself at your own cost. Ryanair have no commitments to you whatsoever.

Just wait until next year and see how things are, wait for ops to return to semi normal levels and recruitment elsewhere to open up. Do not waste 30K right now.

Ryanair have no intention of you flying anytime soon.

Perseas

They were pissed because they don’t have an answer and can’t spin it into a positive.

The ridiculous thing is they all post on LinkedIn saying ‘Welcome to Ryanair’ when their next customer posts about the joy of being accepted, further misleading people.

There’s a reason that webinar was closed off and it’s because they want an echo chamber of false positivity and nobody to ask them any difficult questions on what the REALITY actually is.

If the recruitment team/airline have nothing to hide, they should publish the contract and clearly outline every risk and provide a breakdown of the salary etc. Better yet, just engage with the difficult questions on LinkedIn rather than just deleting them and blocking the person who asks it.

iome

I’d heard the same. Not the time to be rushing into it. What happens when the demand finally comes, are they going to prioritise the fresh cadets that have just completed their training or the ones going in now that will have potentially not flown for a year and have no hours on the line.. they’ll require a decent amount of re-training and will have put themselves to the back of the queue.

iome

That is simply not correct the training contract is for type rating, base training, and a fixed term training contract lasting for 6 months from the completion of base training. So yes you may be put on leave for a couple of months depending on when your base training is completed. But for anyone starting type rating this summer with a time schedule of approximately 1 month of distance learning followed by 2 months of training at a training center then base training and lastly, a 6 month fixed term training contract it is not likely that people will be on leave for more than a few months

Secondly, I would like to say that this "opportunity" is definitely not for everyone, but that being said if you are not in a pinch money-wise and if you don't mind possibly being on leave for a short time go for it.

FlyingGreek

Exactly that. And the ATOs are complicit. The likes of AFTA, Aviomar, Bartolini Air, VA etc feed this scheme by recommending to their students to sign up for it. They do this knowing very well that there is a big chance these cadets will pay the 30K and will never be called up by Ryanair after the 6 month training contract is finished. Whether the ATOs involved get a kickback from RYR or do this to attract customers to their failing businesses we will not know, but they should at least be held accountable over time for not telling the full truth, creating false positives and neglecting their duty of care towards their students, thus pushing young people further into debt on the false promise of employment.

We all know that the more cadets get into debt to pay for the training, the more desperate they are to get a job and the quicker they will accept ultra-low terms and conditions to work. This in turn will be exploited by the airline to drive down the pay for established crew even further.

What we can do as an industry in order to keep the next generation of pilots out of harms way and to protect our own position is to stop recommending these ATOs for training. Some have build up a stellar reputation over the years but seem to have no qualms (mis)using that reputation in these difficult times to make an extra buck on the backs of the young people that in good faith trust their guidance. Hopefully in time these training organisations will come to the conclusion that the reputational damage inflicted by being associated with this scheme makes it not worthwhile being part of it.

For anyone considering to sign up for it, don't. Wait till RYR starts offering the bonded TR again, only then there is a guaranteed job with acceptable terms and conditions waiting for you after your initial 6 month training contract is over.

What happens next year if all these cadets will be flying instead?:rolleyes:

I am not defending this scheme in any way, but this is grossly similar to what it used to be until mid-2018 and it has worked out for many also in here, and Covid hopefully won't be forever. Look at all the US carriers again hiring in full swing.

I see too much hypocrisy here, hidden behind the current crisis caused by the pandemic. A crisis that will be temporary.

If every single one of these cadets is flying it means the whole industry will have recovered massively which would be great news. If that’s the case, it’s likely Ryanair would have to offer the bonded scheme again, especially with a reduced number set to be coming out the training schools for the next couple of years.
Overall it’s a lot of risk for very little reward, as if the industry doesn’t rebound you’re in a very bad position, but if it does rebound this opportunity (and likely better ones) will be there anyway. Sometimes it’s best to sit on your hands rather than jump straight in. There is still a lot of uncertainty so comparing it to pre 2018 when you were pretty much guaranteed 800+ annual hours straight from completion of line training and a command in 3.5 years isn’t really realistic.

FlyingGreek

They tried to be very positive but with no any strong arguments to support it. In their powerpoint presentation they said that traffic will be 80% of pre-covid levels in summer 21 and 100% pre-covid levels in winter 21-22. Also they said that the price of the type rating won't change for the next 5-7 years minimum and that only ryanair will be hiring cadets in the following years(!!!). They insisted that we do the ryanair aps mcc as well. When they were asked about the job guarantee thing they said that it has always been the same, even before covid. You have to pass the assessment, the training and we do want you to work for us etc etc but nothing more.

Absolute nonsense. All of it.

I know for a fact Aer lingus will be recruiting low houred guys within the next 5 years for certain.

Ryanair appear desperate, it’s obvious for all to see. Like FG rightly points out, if it was as rosy as they make out they’d provide all the info you need to make the right decision. If they needed you they’d also remove the thorn in their side and provide some sort of guarantee for those starting TR that employment would come at some point.

They’re simply profiting from the circumstances they find presently which favours only them and not the cadets.

You are worth more than that. Just wait until things pick up and give yourself a chance.

The Foss

It seems to me Ryanair are planning on recruiting cadets only from a few selected schools in the future.

Contact Approach

I didn't believe a thing they said. 100% pre-covid traffic levels in winter 21-22? Only ryanair will be hiring cadets in the next years? Seriously? The only thing that did make sense was that salaries will have restored to pre-covid levels in 2024. Another thing that sounded suspicious was that after the 6-month training we will be provided with ryanair or "employment agency" contract.. At the webinar we couldn't post our questions until they were approved by them. You could feel their discomfort when they read the no job guarantee questions. And there were many of them.
Obviously, I am not going to apply until I see with my own eyes that aviation is restoring and that the first cadets do fly. 30 k is a huge amount of money to spare it for nothing.

Banana Joe

Many things will be uncertain during the coming recovery but one thing that is absolutely 100% sure is that RYR will not restrict their cadet intake to those from a few selected schools.

Dealing with just a few selected schools would go against Ryanair's fundamental modus operandi for the simple reason that that would create a superficial pilot shortage by unnecessarily restricting the choice in applicants. Ryanair needs the net to be as wide as possible so that there are always plenty of candidates for the jobs going. Only in that way they can keep downward pressure on terms and conditions.

Banana Joe

Never going to happen. Even EasyJet ended up scrapping their Oxford/CTC only policy. Ryanair relies on a surplus of pilots either in the company or queuing to enter to keep Ts and Cs down. Conditions improved a few years ago when they lost both that internal and external surplus. Why would they impose restrictions and a potential shortage on themselves?

Hahahahaha!! Ryanair being selective!? Are you actually joking? Just checking it’s not April 1st.....

As many of you have already mentioned Ryanair is not looking for pilots to hire right after type rating. At the moment they are looking to sell their type ratings with the possibility of an employment in April 2022. If you guys want to see the price change you should wait, maybe in the future the price will come down to an acceptable price.
As long as they have naive cadets paying for basically nothing there is no reason for Ryanair to bring down the price as they mentioned in the webinar. I heard of so many bad experiences that made me more cautious in front of these decisions unfortunately there are people that are impulsive and are eager to make the move NOW, they might eventually get a job but one thing is sure they are driving down terms and conditions for everyone else.
I don't agree that Ryanair will be the only airline hiring cadets in the future, as they mentioned in the webinar. Many other airlines have hired cadets in the past and they will in the future when this pandemic will be under control.
Just be patient!

Ryanairrecruitment

If you’re inundated with applications across Europe then surely your time would be better spent sorting said applications and assessing people instead of posting here on Pprune. Why bother unless theres something in it for you? You don’t need anymore crew right now and Ryanair are well known for protecting only themselves so to suggest you’re here on a genuine basis is laughable.

You can’t bluff people into spending 30K on false hope and negative speculation, frankly it’s poor form. To suggest those shouldn’t pursue a career due to “negative mindset” based on not taking your bait is shameful.

Your green neighbours will be taking low houred guys, bonding them and paying them from day 1...

So unprofessional.

At least they actually pay their staff.

Well who’s talking rubbish now? Jan 2020 they were looking for 100 with further needed summer 2020. The direct entry criteria had no hours requirement only that you held a current CPL / IR and medical. Applicants varied from recently graduated modular/integrated students through to 787 Captains, with no preference over one another. The TR was bonded with a reduced salary for two years - 65K going to 85K after the bond. You also get something called a contract of employment before you begin, strange that huh?

Cadets with no flying experience are the 15 you talk about and they were fully funded by the Airline.

I do feel for you though... O’leary is really making you work hard for those coins these days huh? Do you have to pay for your internet connection by the hour?

Can’t actually believe they created a Pprune profile :oh:
do you get paid more for this ? Or is it part of your contract ? Genuinely curious

the need alone to have to come here and fight like a keyboard warrior just shows how low you can go. If this is what you do publicly, can’t imagine what you do privately. Oh wait I actually do...

Ryanairrecruitment

This must be a troll account. I find it hard to believe a genuine professional would write this kind of dross.

@ Xavelha: This account is there since Jan 2019 according to the stats on the left side, so it wasn't specifically made for these posts. :ok:

yeah because that makes it so much better :ugh:

Ryanairrecruitment, as an ex RYR pilot keep up the good work and i am sure there are many cadets across Europe who will be happy to have a job at RYR, i was one of those and had no problem paying €30k back in the day on a Mc Ginley contract, i got command within 4 years, two years in left hand seat then left to do long haul, these doubters sound like disgruntled ex pilots or rejected candidates.

Hahahaha! You can’t make this stuff up. It’s like on of those reviews you see on scam ad saying all the right things when in fact it ‘s merely a scam.

As has been pointed out countless times guys. JUST WAIT UNTIL THINGS RETURN TO NORMAL. Ryanair will be more than happy to take your money in the future and it will always be an option. But wait until there’s some actual demand for flying again. Whats the point in rushing into a TR course now when you won’t be needed until at least summer 2022 and that’s not guaranteed. There’s no queue and there’s no need to worry about places as they have said themselves here they will be hiring thousands in the next few years. The worst position you can put yourself in is to have completed a TR and a few sectors before a long time out on the sidelines before getting back into it. That will do no favours to your confidence or competency. The HR guys above haven’t the foggiest about flying aeroplanes, they’re just here to milk the cow - waterboys.

jonesyinthesky

this is pure comedy, looking for a Base Captain job are we ?

is it forbidden on here to speak positively about a previous employer that set me up on my future career? i do not work for them anymore so i am not looking for a base captain job, why do you guys waste your time on a thread that is supposed to be about interviews and sim assessments?

Because people are being taken for a ride and they ought to know the facts. You of all people should know that.

What’s wrong with waiting to see how things play out?

I don't have a dog in this fight, but if they see this question, is there also any foreseen recruitment for Direct Entry type rated applicants if the market starts picking up? :O​​​​​​

They’ve make it quite clear that they will only recruit cadets... I do wonder why!?

Because they adapt better to Ryanair's SOPs! That's what they said 😃

Ryanairrecruitment

Thank you for hosting the webinar, I am almost finishing flight training and then I will apply for the €30K program.

To all the frustrated pilots who can’t afford the TR, see y’all! This page is for information concerning assessment, and not to express your salted opinion.