Job opportunities with US carriers.
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Job opportunities with US carriers.
I have just finished training in the US to obtain my PPL at Long Beach California (great place, great fun and do recommend it), and I am now considering which schools to approach to continue my training. I am pretty keen on WMU, but does anyone know if it is possible for UK citizens (frozen ATPL or not) to be able to work for the major US carriers, or is it a case of marrying in Vegas on a drunken night out to obtain the infamous Green Card. In addition, does training at a US based school give the graduate a better chance of being employed stateside?
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ccvr - you have got to be joking (unfortunately).
You would be unlikely to get a job with a major US carrier just now if you had a US passport and 6 Thousand hours of pure jet time.
The chances of you (or I) getting a job on a carrier jet are well below negligable. The 'green card' means absolutely nothing at the moment.
You would be unlikely to get a job with a major US carrier just now if you had a US passport and 6 Thousand hours of pure jet time.
The chances of you (or I) getting a job on a carrier jet are well below negligable. The 'green card' means absolutely nothing at the moment.
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There are jobs out there (prop, turbo-prop, jet) but besides having a FAA license and tons of hours in your logbook, if you are not a US citizen chances are 0 to get any kind of job.
Obtaining a "Green Card" is a hard as getting a job in airline with 200 - 300 hours, you have to start at the botton and work your way up! In the mean time I recomend you enjoy your training and get all the licenses and ratings, so when times change and the sky clears up, you'll be ready !
Take care and fly safe,
rjag
Obtaining a "Green Card" is a hard as getting a job in airline with 200 - 300 hours, you have to start at the botton and work your way up! In the mean time I recomend you enjoy your training and get all the licenses and ratings, so when times change and the sky clears up, you'll be ready !
Take care and fly safe,
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Not wishing to be rude ccvr..... but have you been living in a cave for the last 3 years? Your nationality, inexperience, apparent naivety and the crumbling state of the US airline industry will all be insurmountable hurdles for a long time yet! Speaking personally I have always tried to provide constructive and realistic encouragement to wannabes...whatever their situation. However, your particular enquiry worries me immensely. If I was in your position I would cease training immediately for at least a year. read every aviation magazine from cover to cover every week/month and read a quality broadsheet (Times/Telegraph?) every single day. Ther's a lot more to being a professional pilot than flight training! Good luck nevertheless BM
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Give some encouragement!
To join a big US airline you need to have some hrs (at least 4 or 5 thousand!) with turbojet/prop experience. The only way to get this experience is to apply to the regional carriers or cargo operators. Some examples of flight experience to join the regionals are:
SkyWest
1000TT
100ME,
100 hours instrument time
Island Air
1500TT
500ME although we hire with less
TRans States Airlines -
1000 TT
200 ME
Great Lakes
500 hours Total time,
250 PIC ,
50 hours of Multi,
10 hours of instrument (actual),
and have flown at least 50 hours in the last 90 days
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corperation(AWAC) -
1500 hours total flight time
500 hours multi-engine, ATP written by date of hire
To get to this stage most people instruct to gain the experience. It's a long way to the big carriers if that's what you really want to do. You do however need to be either a US Citizen or a Legal resident to get any employment.
The big US carriers are having a hard time at the moment, but surprisingly the US regionals ARE hiring.
Hope this helps
SkyWest
1000TT
100ME,
100 hours instrument time
Island Air
1500TT
500ME although we hire with less
TRans States Airlines -
1000 TT
200 ME
Great Lakes
500 hours Total time,
250 PIC ,
50 hours of Multi,
10 hours of instrument (actual),
and have flown at least 50 hours in the last 90 days
Air Wisconsin Airlines Corperation(AWAC) -
1500 hours total flight time
500 hours multi-engine, ATP written by date of hire
To get to this stage most people instruct to gain the experience. It's a long way to the big carriers if that's what you really want to do. You do however need to be either a US Citizen or a Legal resident to get any employment.
The big US carriers are having a hard time at the moment, but surprisingly the US regionals ARE hiring.
Hope this helps
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Right now the industry is such that jobs are few and far between. And what jobs there are are covered with several inches (CM to you guys) of resumes (CVs to you guys) and it is expected to be that way for the near future. The industry is going through a major shake up right now. Having been through this before, I believe it will be at least a year or two before an upturn is seen.
To be employed by a US operator, you will need a 'green card'. Like any other country you can not work here in the US without the right to work authority. Most if not all employers will NOT sponser you for this paperwork. The few they will sponser are high qualified people hire for a special reason.
Any operator here in the US will require you to have FAA certificates. Other ICAO certificates are not acceptable. And like Europe conversion can be an effort. While the airlines' published pilot requirements are accually very low, the reality is that they tend to hire pilots with much higher experience levels.
To be employed by a US operator, you will need a 'green card'. Like any other country you can not work here in the US without the right to work authority. Most if not all employers will NOT sponser you for this paperwork. The few they will sponser are high qualified people hire for a special reason.
Any operator here in the US will require you to have FAA certificates. Other ICAO certificates are not acceptable. And like Europe conversion can be an effort. While the airlines' published pilot requirements are accually very low, the reality is that they tend to hire pilots with much higher experience levels.
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Chris is that you?
I was out at LGB in Jan and was staying in the Guest House. Its John from Scotland here (with the yellow pick up truck).
If it is Chris, drop me a line and let me know how your ppl went.
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Cheers
John
I was out at LGB in Jan and was staying in the Guest House. Its John from Scotland here (with the yellow pick up truck).
If it is Chris, drop me a line and let me know how your ppl went.
[email protected]
Cheers
John
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To BoeingMeL, I am not one to be offended easily, but it makes me laugh when I read that you offer 'constructive advice.' There is nothing constructive about it, its the rambling diatribe of a facile and overopinionated geek . I do not hang out on sights like this to get my jollies by offering essentailly nothing to those who post legitimate questions on it. To clarify my situation for you, I read The Times on a daily basis as I used to work as an investment broker for The Royal Bank of Scotland, I have live in more countries than caves than you could ever wish to visit in a life time, and obtained my degree at Boston and The London School of Economics. My apologies for not reading every aviaton magazine in creation but believe it or not, I have a life. So please, save us all from further and 'constructive' advice in the future, we dont need it! As for my question, its a question asked by many students in the US, and therefore a legitimate one, and having trained in the US, and lived there, I am more than aware of their airlines current financial instability, if you would like a detailed report to help you offend further users of this sight, I can obtain one from my former employers....Have a nice day!!
P.S. Thanks to those who offered decent advice!!
P.S. Thanks to those who offered decent advice!!
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Hey there
for some one with so much experience in the business/financial market i'm very surprised you are even asking the question.
You don't need to read the Times or any particular newspaper to realise that the aviation industry in the US is up the creek without a paddle.
AA in almost bankruptcy....with DAL and UAL pretty on the verge of falling in.
Also for someone who doesn't get offended your answer seems to contradict that.
Also if you are from the UK then i'm quite sure you will have realised what is required from you to stayin the US legally.
If you want to find out exactly what is needed to become an airline pilot in the US by the majors or the commuters then i suggest you talk to the numerous pilots that are on furlough from the various airlines.
for some one with so much experience in the business/financial market i'm very surprised you are even asking the question.
You don't need to read the Times or any particular newspaper to realise that the aviation industry in the US is up the creek without a paddle.
AA in almost bankruptcy....with DAL and UAL pretty on the verge of falling in.
Also for someone who doesn't get offended your answer seems to contradict that.
Also if you are from the UK then i'm quite sure you will have realised what is required from you to stayin the US legally.
If you want to find out exactly what is needed to become an airline pilot in the US by the majors or the commuters then i suggest you talk to the numerous pilots that are on furlough from the various airlines.
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You tell that cranky bastard, CCVR1!
Thank you for so succinctly putting the doomsayer in his place. I am a recent Canadian CPL multi-ifr grad who opted for mid-life career change at the height of aviation hiring boom times...then 9/11 happened. I'm now faced with having to seek non-aviation work and it sucks!
There are far more unanswered questions that people don't understand until after they've gone through the process of licensing & training. Wannabes need realistic, supportive encouragement, not the negative ****e gleaned from too many perceived affronts these dicks have suffered along their own very fortunate career paths.
There are far more unanswered questions that people don't understand until after they've gone through the process of licensing & training. Wannabes need realistic, supportive encouragement, not the negative ****e gleaned from too many perceived affronts these dicks have suffered along their own very fortunate career paths.
And now for something completely off-topic....
Hey there DutchOven.
You don't know me, but I'd like to register my fond regards for your fair city in the prairies.
I flew into Calgary a few days ago, before driving to Whistler, and we had breakfast in the tower.
What a nice part of the world
Anyway, back to bone questions about US residency requirements....
You don't know me, but I'd like to register my fond regards for your fair city in the prairies.
I flew into Calgary a few days ago, before driving to Whistler, and we had breakfast in the tower.
What a nice part of the world
Anyway, back to bone questions about US residency requirements....
