Nepotism in pilot selection
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What’s wrong with you man?
Are you suffering some strange allergy reaction to facts?
You faulty wrote that LET410 is a CS-25 aircraft and I quoted you that LET410 is a CS-23 aircraft, which is the correct category according to EASA books. Why are you going hysterical?
I am really curious to see a picture of FMS installed in a L410
Are you suffering some strange allergy reaction to facts?
You faulty wrote that LET410 is a CS-25 aircraft and I quoted you that LET410 is a CS-23 aircraft, which is the correct category according to EASA books. Why are you going hysterical?
I am really curious to see a picture of FMS installed in a L410
Well Manekse has the pic I sent him, he can post it when he has a minute
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And yeah you're right, let's be precise. It is a cs-23 aircraft, that can be operated under the cs-25 performance requirements and standards, which is what Van Air does.
So if you really want to be picky, AB's requirement asking for experience on cs-25 is not precise enough to exclude pilots who have flown Let410 at Van Air.
I don't know about AIS and their Jet31 operations, but I do know the Jet31 can also be operated under cs-25 standards.
I have a sense this pic will not satisfy you. But that's all I have unfortunately. If you want more I encourage you to contact Van Air and AIS directly and ask for a tour of their fleets.
On this note, peace out
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Originally Posted by OKSUP;[url=tel:11454999
11454999[/url]]Sure, you guys have been screaming for a big conspiracy without any proof, but I'm the hysterical one
Well Manekse has the pic I sent him, he can post it when he has a minute
Well Manekse has the pic I sent him, he can post it when he has a minute
I don’t see any FMS in the photo, just a source of a chinese aftermarket display. Don’t be shy to upload the FMS, aftermarket displays can be installed to cessnas152 too.
Is it a Universal one or the chinese display calls FMS the garmin gps?
Not sure if I don’t see a photo of the actual FMS at L410 cockpit
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And yeah you're right, let's be precise. It is a cs-23 aircraft, that can be operated under the cs-25 performance requirements and standards, which is what Van Air does.
So if you really want to be picky, AB's requirement asking for experience on cs-25 is not precise enough to exclude pilots who have flown Let410 at Van Air.
I don't know about AIS and their Jet31 operations, but I do know the Jet31 can also be operated under cs-25 standards.
I have a sense this pic will not satisfy you. But that's all I have unfortunately. If you want more I encourage you to contact Van Air and AIS directly and ask for a tour of their fleets.
On this note, peace out
I can see the electronic MFD but I can’t see any FMS. As zen said, source could be a garmin gps.
I can’t believe that anyone would install an FMS to l410, but you can prove me wrong with the picture of the FMS. That’s as easy as the pic you uploaded already
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Guys, sorry to be rude but you're gonna have to learn how to read. I've already written that I haven't seen this "massive hiring of Czech guys" you keep talking about. I can't have an opinion about it as I've never seen it 
Actually, I don't recall meeting a single Czech FO yet in the briefing room...I wish, cos I like Czech people, I spent my fair share of time in Praha
Also written just above, Van Air has Lets with EFIS, AP etcetc, so this experience can meet AB's requirements. Not sure why you keep claiming otherwise. Yes they have planes without EFIS in their fleet but that doesn't mean the pilots there don't get the experience on both. And your claim of "a middle man" at AB...lol Guys I know people from Van Air, it's a small acmi airline they don't even have a middle man for themselves!
I'm not defending AB here, I'm just stating what I see. And it's not what you are writing about. That's it, no more no less.
But I feel you guys are going to keep looking for something anyway, so enjoy. I'm done here
Actually, I don't recall meeting a single Czech FO yet in the briefing room...I wish, cos I like Czech people, I spent my fair share of time in Praha Also written just above, Van Air has Lets with EFIS, AP etcetc, so this experience can meet AB's requirements. Not sure why you keep claiming otherwise. Yes they have planes without EFIS in their fleet but that doesn't mean the pilots there don't get the experience on both. And your claim of "a middle man" at AB...lol Guys I know people from Van Air, it's a small acmi airline they don't even have a middle man for themselves!
I'm not defending AB here, I'm just stating what I see. And it's not what you are writing about. That's it, no more no less.
But I feel you guys are going to keep looking for something anyway, so enjoy. I'm done here
You can pm @WaylanderShade
He was posting in AB thread. He is from Prague and was saying pretty much what you said too.
After receiving a massive bukkake for his faulty posts, he changed his location from Prague to USA and went silent.
Smart move if you get caught lying.
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Minumum flight time requirements are set for safety reasons. You can have best attitude and constant smile on your face, but believe me from safety point of view without experience in airline flying you are still the same kid as the one with bad attitude. its like bodybuilding. If you have super duper motivation , you still can't compete with someone who's been lifting for years.
Even mediocre pilot with solid experience will be much safer than fresh cpl holder with the best knowledge of atpl's and airplane systems.
People at HR are kids on first time job accompanied by office pilots that couln't handle everyday flying. They think autopilot flies an airplane and in case it fails there is a captain to take over. According to them , FO is simply a rudiment required by outdated law. Why would they need to hire experienced FO that will ask for better conditions and salary when there is a kid from let410 that will lick their bottom and not complain for a few years just to be replaced by another expendabale kid after a couple of years.
Prove me wrong , but recent incident involving motivated instagram pilots almost crashing fully functional a220 in day VMC is my argument.
Even mediocre pilot with solid experience will be much safer than fresh cpl holder with the best knowledge of atpl's and airplane systems.
People at HR are kids on first time job accompanied by office pilots that couln't handle everyday flying. They think autopilot flies an airplane and in case it fails there is a captain to take over. According to them , FO is simply a rudiment required by outdated law. Why would they need to hire experienced FO that will ask for better conditions and salary when there is a kid from let410 that will lick their bottom and not complain for a few years just to be replaced by another expendabale kid after a couple of years.
Prove me wrong , but recent incident involving motivated instagram pilots almost crashing fully functional a220 in day VMC is my argument.
It’s quite clear that people with experience on CS-23 aircraft, without FMS were hired despite the requirements. More than ten A220 are AOG in RIX cause of the sensitivity of the engines to throttle mishandling. Yes, engines are too sensitive but this type of damage could be avoided. It was just luck that the A220 you mentioned didn’t end up in Brussels city center houses. Regarding the people in HR, are not just kids. They should know at least if the experience and qualifications on CV are matching the requirements. My personal opinion is that they knew well but decided “strangely”. Same for the assessing captain.
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How can you be certain these incidents involved the FOs not meeting entry requirements? Do you work at AB? Were you part of the investigations?
Rwy excursions happen for many different reasons than just "pilots hired below published requirements". People make mistakes, all the time, regardless of their hours or previous experience. On the opposite, junior crews with little experience may display above average skills or attitude, even if they do not meet a published requirement.
I conducted my fair share of interviews in my previous career (not aviation related) and yes at times, I asked HR to send job offers to candidates who did not meet all the point of the job description. Not because they bribed me or because I knew the cousin or their godmother, but just because they showed a personality that would fit the team and make their onboarding a lot smoother and faster. A skill can be learned much faster than changing an attitude or a personality trait.
Bottom line is, hiring below a requirement that you publish on a job description is:
1) legal
2) doesn't necessarily mean there is nepotism or bribery. I'd even say these are extrem assumptions but ok...
3) as a hiring manager, you would be dumb to reject someone who displays a great attitude, just because they don't meet 100% of your published requirements. I'm of course not saying that you should disregard completely the requirements, they are here for a reason, which is to filter and give a direction to the applications you receive. But seeing the world as black or white, solely based on job requirements, would be dumb
Rwy excursions happen for many different reasons than just "pilots hired below published requirements". People make mistakes, all the time, regardless of their hours or previous experience. On the opposite, junior crews with little experience may display above average skills or attitude, even if they do not meet a published requirement.
I conducted my fair share of interviews in my previous career (not aviation related) and yes at times, I asked HR to send job offers to candidates who did not meet all the point of the job description. Not because they bribed me or because I knew the cousin or their godmother, but just because they showed a personality that would fit the team and make their onboarding a lot smoother and faster. A skill can be learned much faster than changing an attitude or a personality trait.
Bottom line is, hiring below a requirement that you publish on a job description is:
1) legal
2) doesn't necessarily mean there is nepotism or bribery. I'd even say these are extrem assumptions but ok...
3) as a hiring manager, you would be dumb to reject someone who displays a great attitude, just because they don't meet 100% of your published requirements. I'm of course not saying that you should disregard completely the requirements, they are here for a reason, which is to filter and give a direction to the applications you receive. But seeing the world as black or white, solely based on job requirements, would be dumb
You are embarrassing the people who “helped” you
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Originally Posted by OKSUP;[url=tel:11453862
11453862[/url]]
Bottom line is, hiring below a requirement that you publish on a job description is:
1) legal
2) doesn't necessarily mean there is nepotism or bribery. I'd even say these are extrem assumptions but ok...
3) as a hiring manager, you would be dumb to reject someone who displays a great attitude, just because they don't meet 100% of your published requirements. I'm of course not saying that you should disregard completely the requirements, they are here for a reason, which is to filter and give a direction to the applications you receive. But seeing the world as black or white, solely based on job requirements, would be dumb
Bottom line is, hiring below a requirement that you publish on a job description is:
1) legal
2) doesn't necessarily mean there is nepotism or bribery. I'd even say these are extrem assumptions but ok...
3) as a hiring manager, you would be dumb to reject someone who displays a great attitude, just because they don't meet 100% of your published requirements. I'm of course not saying that you should disregard completely the requirements, they are here for a reason, which is to filter and give a direction to the applications you receive. But seeing the world as black or white, solely based on job requirements, would be dumb
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I have seen 250hrs pilots in training you already could tell they would be good captains and you won't hear their names in a negative way years to follow by colleagues. And I have had feelings of "defeat" when writing reports on x-thousand hrs pilots that the level spotted still didn't reach the required standards of our company simply because their mindset didn't allow for improvement which is very unfortunate for all involved.
If you think your flighthours are your safety net, think again. Your mindset is your safety standard.
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Originally Posted by BraceBrace;[url=tel:11457920
11457920[/url]]Since when is training a competition?
I have seen 250hrs pilots in training you already could tell they would be good captains and you won't hear their names in a negative way years to follow by colleagues. And I have had feelings of "defeat" when writing reports on x-thousand hrs pilots that the level spotted still didn't reach the required standards of our company simply because their mindset didn't allow for improvement which is very unfortunate for all involved.
If you think your flighthours are your safety net, think again. Your mindset is your safety standard.
I have seen 250hrs pilots in training you already could tell they would be good captains and you won't hear their names in a negative way years to follow by colleagues. And I have had feelings of "defeat" when writing reports on x-thousand hrs pilots that the level spotted still didn't reach the required standards of our company simply because their mindset didn't allow for improvement which is very unfortunate for all involved.
If you think your flighthours are your safety net, think again. Your mindset is your safety standard.
On my mind I have only one example, 4000 hrs Captain straggling to be stabilised, chewing a lot of runway each time.
He shouldn’t take his license at the first place.
His background was the usual as we discuss here. Everything payed by his mommy, first job for years in less than 10 tons aircraft in a local operator and came to our company cause was friend of our chief pilot, they are from the same town. He was trying to look friendly to everyone but with a very stupid way.
The worst “funny” complaints I received cause we had the same background ( country, air force) were for another experienced captain, not for his skills but for his attitude, especially on the ground. He was quite strict in general and he was removed from training, I think he asked it. It was super safe to fly with him. He joined another company for better money and he is doing great. The first one still licking asses and rising in company’s hierarchy.
If I would have to say a number, more than 95% of big planes experienced pilots are safe
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Not all people living in Prague are Czechs. Including me.
Flying for AB does not give me insights into their HR and hiring policies. I just fly their planes, I don't hire pilots. I'm not going to make assumptions on something I don't know.
To my knowledge AB doesn't have more incidents than any other airline. Back to my question, do you have comparative data to support your claim? Were you involved in the investigations? If not, then you are just speculating.
The personality and attitude is something you assess during the interview of course, to see if the candidate will integrate well with your crews. If you want to be flexible on your requirements to allow meeting candidates with interesting profiles, it's up to you. Many employers are not strict on all published requirements for this exact reason. But you seem to see the world as black or white only (if I caricature, I would have guessed you come from the military without you telling us... )
Regarding your speculation that "a whole group of Czechs passed the assessment", I can only tell about my experience:
- I don't see many Czech crews in the crew briefing
- I didn't know anyone at AB when I applied
- I didn't get any shortcut, I met the requirements and had the same assessment as everyone else through my application (online test, then 2 days assessment in Riga with sim, technical interview, HR interview, psychology interview/psychometric tests, and finally management interview). There was no middle man or whatever complotist thing you mentioned in the other post...
- I certainly didn't bribe anyone ( lol, from all your assumptions, I have to admit this one made me laugh) I can't even afford a TR, so Immagine a bribery...I also did not pay anything for my TR or LT. Just the regular bond as usual for many airlines.
I'm not sure this will satisfy your hunger for plots but please chill and stop seeing tricks everywhere. I got rejected by other airlines, with no responses, no feedback. I just forget about it and move on. Trust me life is easier like that
Flying for AB does not give me insights into their HR and hiring policies. I just fly their planes, I don't hire pilots. I'm not going to make assumptions on something I don't know.
To my knowledge AB doesn't have more incidents than any other airline. Back to my question, do you have comparative data to support your claim? Were you involved in the investigations? If not, then you are just speculating.
The personality and attitude is something you assess during the interview of course, to see if the candidate will integrate well with your crews. If you want to be flexible on your requirements to allow meeting candidates with interesting profiles, it's up to you. Many employers are not strict on all published requirements for this exact reason. But you seem to see the world as black or white only (if I caricature, I would have guessed you come from the military without you telling us... )
Regarding your speculation that "a whole group of Czechs passed the assessment", I can only tell about my experience:
- I don't see many Czech crews in the crew briefing
- I didn't know anyone at AB when I applied
- I didn't get any shortcut, I met the requirements and had the same assessment as everyone else through my application (online test, then 2 days assessment in Riga with sim, technical interview, HR interview, psychology interview/psychometric tests, and finally management interview). There was no middle man or whatever complotist thing you mentioned in the other post...
- I certainly didn't bribe anyone ( lol, from all your assumptions, I have to admit this one made me laugh
) I can't even afford a TR, so Immagine a bribery...I also did not pay anything for my TR or LT. Just the regular bond as usual for many airlines.I'm not sure this will satisfy your hunger for plots but please chill and stop seeing tricks everywhere. I got rejected by other airlines, with no responses, no feedback. I just forget about it and move on. Trust me life is easier like that
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Originally Posted by OKSUP;[url=tel:11455016
11455016[/url]]
And yeah you're right, let's be precise. It is a cs-23 aircraft, that can be operated under the cs-25 performance requirements and standards, which is what Van Air does.
So if you really want to be picky, AB's requirement asking for experience on cs-25 is not precise enough to exclude pilots who have flown Let410 at Van Air.
I don't know about AIS and their Jet31 operations, but I do know the Jet31 can also be operated under cs-25 standards.
I have a sense this pic will not satisfy you. But that's all I have unfortunately. If you want more I encourage you to contact Van Air and AIS directly and ask for a tour of their fleets.
On this note, peace out
And yeah you're right, let's be precise. It is a cs-23 aircraft, that can be operated under the cs-25 performance requirements and standards, which is what Van Air does.
So if you really want to be picky, AB's requirement asking for experience on cs-25 is not precise enough to exclude pilots who have flown Let410 at Van Air.
I don't know about AIS and their Jet31 operations, but I do know the Jet31 can also be operated under cs-25 standards.
I have a sense this pic will not satisfy you. But that's all I have unfortunately. If you want more I encourage you to contact Van Air and AIS directly and ask for a tour of their fleets.
On this note, peace out
Van air has OK-ASA, OK-LAZ, OK-TCA and OK-UBA, all L410
Why you didn’t upload any pic from these?
No retrofitted screens?
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Though Beech1900 doesn't meet the entry requirements for CS-25, FMS aircraft
Probably they will be promoted to captains before you, funny isn't?
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Originally Posted by menekse;[url=tel:11460370
11460370[/url]]I found pictures of OK-LAZ and OK-TCA on google
OK-VAA never belonged to Vanair and was sold somewhere in Africa 2,5 years ago.
The only LET flying for vanair are the ones you posted the pictures
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I am referring to male candidates and I would like to ask them: you are afraid of nepotism but the #femaleinaviation trend does not concern you, right? Have you ever thought that some airlines give priority to women, not because they are more competent, but because they have to follow the modern trends and occupy a certain number of positions with women? This automatically can leave you out of the process for a while and you can lose time.