Advanced UPRT
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: IOM
Posts: 183
Originally Posted by Highflyerp
I found out today from an organisation in the UK that nowhere in the UK has approval from the CAA yet.. then this was confirmed by the CAA in a phonecall shortly after.. does this mean the “Advanced UPRT” you do may not even be valid for the type rating?
I would therefore highly doubt that the CAA know their @rse from their elbow as usual I'm afraid. It was dated 23 December therefore I would very much imagine other ATOs are receiving, or have received, their certificates and confirmation already over the past few weeks.
EDIT: I should add that this has been accepted by a TRTO I am about to undertake first type rating with, who are happy with this approval.
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: anywhere
Posts: 33
Originally Posted by theflyingbus
FPT at Shoreham and CRM at White Waltham can both offer the course in the UK, think there is at least one other too
Last edited by OldDreamer; 3rd Feb 2020 at 20:01.
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: London
Posts: 1
Originally Posted by OldDreamer
British aerobatic academy as week apparently.
de minimus non curat lex
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: sunny troon
Posts: 1,359
Originally Posted by simmple
Seems to me that when i were a lad we were taught full stalls, spinning etc at ppl level. Did it again for Bcpl, cpl and again if you did an instructor course. This exposed you to the real life sensations that a sim can’t.
Now yoofs of today ain’t had that and panic at anything over 25 degrees of bank and the flight director isn’t aligned.............
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Now yoofs of today ain’t had that and panic at anything over 25 degrees of bank and the flight director isn’t aligned.............
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The next generation of student had therefore never been required to turned an aircraft onto its back and recover. No exposure to unusual attitudes etc. So when that 10 to the minus 9 event occurs, the junior birdman has never seen anything like it before and unsurprisingly cannot cope.....
That essentially is why the modular bolt on UPRT has now appeared. Some might say that it should be part of the single engine phase of any professional course.
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: A Gaelic Country
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Originally Posted by Contact Approach [img]images/buttons/viewpost.gif[/img]
It’s a pure cash cow. That is all it is. Disgusting frankly.
Quote: Rotweiller22.
I feel this could become something like the Driver CPC in haulage. The entire industry is against it... Except the training providers.
Hear hear. 👍
Why I voted BREXIT....Dear Old EU Regs.
It’s a pure cash cow. That is all it is. Disgusting frankly.
Quote: Rotweiller22.
I feel this could become something like the Driver CPC in haulage. The entire industry is against it... Except the training providers.
Hear hear. 👍
Why I voted BREXIT....Dear Old EU Regs.
Last edited by covec; 28th Feb 2020 at 21:00.
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Somewhere
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Originally Posted by IFLYyouBREATH
I heard that it has to be renewed every year like the UPRT currently done during LPCs....
Is there any official document mentioning this?
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: London
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Originally Posted by pilot freak
How long did the course last?
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: A Gaelic Country
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Originally Posted by wigbam
If you're a superhuman and the weather is perfect you can do it in one day - 5hr of theory and 3hr of flying afterwards. But flying 3hr of aerobatics more or less non-stop is not something I'd recommend, so realistically aim for two/three days there. I have managed to do it in three since the weather was really bad.
Could’ve been another student & instructor at end of lesson & no extra flying charge of course.
Some “schools” quoting near £3000!!! Outrageous for 3 hours of aeros...if that’s what they’re doing!
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: A Gaelic Country
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Parkfell.
But how come existing airline crew are not doing it? Or will everyone do it at some point?
Also, the bitching is about the sudden added cost not budgeted for by those of us caught ‘twixt TR & 19 Dec.
And £3K is outrageous for 3 hours flying 5 hours TKI. Switch to an Aerobat not Extra 300.
Fortunately, some operators seem happy to assess before AUPRT & for successful candidates to then do the course.
I predict a backlog of some sort - unless AUPRT FIs increase. Aero Schools are going to be inundated. Lotta wannabes out there...brace brace brace!
All that said - of course the training is good. Just please keep the cost down. We’re not all silver spooned darlings.
But how come existing airline crew are not doing it? Or will everyone do it at some point?
Also, the bitching is about the sudden added cost not budgeted for by those of us caught ‘twixt TR & 19 Dec.
And £3K is outrageous for 3 hours flying 5 hours TKI. Switch to an Aerobat not Extra 300.
Fortunately, some operators seem happy to assess before AUPRT & for successful candidates to then do the course.
I predict a backlog of some sort - unless AUPRT FIs increase. Aero Schools are going to be inundated. Lotta wannabes out there...brace brace brace!
All that said - of course the training is good. Just please keep the cost down. We’re not all silver spooned darlings.
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: London
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Originally Posted by covec
wigbam - is it just aerobatics then? I’ve seen footage from a friend where they appear to be doing formation aerobatics. Is that it?
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: A Gaelic Country
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Cancelled my AUPRT. In wake of Flybe & Loganair having a direct recruiting line for ex-Flybe staff I don’t see the point for sometime (live in Scotland).
Aviation correction coming up? Covid-19. And Grant Shapp announcing today (allegedly? Posturing?) that UK will leave EASA.
Aviation correction coming up? Covid-19. And Grant Shapp announcing today (allegedly? Posturing?) that UK will leave EASA.
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Amantido
Posts: 766
Big mistake. Get your qualification and start applying. We're definitely not experiencing a positive trend, but at the beginning you have to try every possible opportunity you may have and go ahead with it. Sitting back is not going to take you anywhere.
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: A Gaelic Country
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Not here in Scotland.
Loganair announced hot line for Flybe crew only recruitment & those of us who had November's Assessment Day cancelled are still waiting - as are those actually selected in October for TRs in January. Latest HR email (last week) they want TR ATR crew.
Eastern want 1000H "experienced FOs".
BA HR email gone out too re situation & how crews might help.
I'll save the cash by keeping the ME IR going.
Maybe Independence will help 😇: staying within EASA contrary to UK Gov. announcement re UK leaving EASA.
Unless "continent" is more competitive than UK right now?
Loganair announced hot line for Flybe crew only recruitment & those of us who had November's Assessment Day cancelled are still waiting - as are those actually selected in October for TRs in January. Latest HR email (last week) they want TR ATR crew.
Eastern want 1000H "experienced FOs".
BA HR email gone out too re situation & how crews might help.
I'll save the cash by keeping the ME IR going.
Maybe Independence will help 😇: staying within EASA contrary to UK Gov. announcement re UK leaving EASA.
Unless "continent" is more competitive than UK right now?
