Advanced UPRT

[Ronaldsway Radar]

Originally Posted by Highflyerp

I found out today from an organisation in the UK that nowhere in the UK has approval from the CAA yet.. then this was confirmed by the CAA in a phonecall shortly after.. does this mean the “Advanced UPRT” you do may not even be valid for the type rating?

I am looking at a document in my hands which is completely contrary to this. A letter signed by the CAA enclosing a certificate confirming that an ATO who I completed UPRT with are fully approved for A-UPRT and UPRT instructor course.

I would therefore highly doubt that the CAA know their @rse from their elbow as usual I'm afraid. It was dated 23 December therefore I would very much imagine other ATOs are receiving, or have received, their certificates and confirmation already over the past few weeks.

EDIT: I should add that this has been accepted by a TRTO I am about to undertake first type rating with, who are happy with this approval.

[Booglebox]

Did mine in Shoreham last week. Absolutely fantastic!

[george2323]

In which school did you made it?

[theflyingbus]

FPT at Shoreham and CRM at White Waltham can both offer the course in the UK, think there is at least one other too

[OldDreamer]

Originally Posted by theflyingbus

FPT at Shoreham and CRM at White Waltham can both offer the course in the UK, think there is at least one other too

British aerobatic academy as well apparently.

[wigbam]

Originally Posted by OldDreamer

British aerobatic academy as week apparently.

About to finish my A-UPRT with British Aerobatics Academy. I can certainly recommend them. Very professional, to a good standard and friendly.

[parkfell]

Originally Posted by simmple

Seems to me that when i were a lad we were taught full stalls, spinning etc at ppl level. Did it again for Bcpl, cpl and again if you did an instructor course. This exposed you to the real life sensations that a sim can’t.
Now yoofs of today ain’t had that and panic at anything over 25 degrees of bank and the flight director isn’t aligned.............
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We find ourselves where we are when a decision was taken to teach “prevention” training ~ stall & spin awareness, as oppose to the previous training of stalling and intentional spinning with recovery. And depending upon the trainer a few aerobatics as well.

The next generation of student had therefore never been required to turned an aircraft onto its back and recover. No exposure to unusual attitudes etc. So when that 10 to the minus 9 event occurs, the junior birdman has never seen anything like it before and unsurprisingly cannot cope.....

That essentially is why the modular bolt on UPRT has now appeared. Some might say that it should be part of the single engine phase of any professional course.

[covec]

One wonders how airline pilots managed before this further cost embuggerance....

[covec]

Originally Posted by Contact Approach [img]images/buttons/viewpost.gif[/img]
It’s a pure cash cow. That is all it is. Disgusting frankly.

Quote: Rotweiller22.
I feel this could become something like the Driver CPC in haulage. The entire industry is against it... Except the training providers.

Hear hear. 👍

Why I voted BREXIT....Dear Old EU Regs.

[IFLYyouBREATH]

I heard that it has to be renewed every year like the UPRT currently done during LPCs....

[pilot freak]

Originally Posted by wigbam

About to finish my A-UPRT with British Aerobatics Academy. I can certainly recommend them. Very professional, to a good standard and friendly.

How long did the course last?

[inabw]

Originally Posted by IFLYyouBREATH

I heard that it has to be renewed every year like the UPRT currently done during LPCs....

When you complete the advanced UPRT course you gain a completation certificate; you dont have no one rating on the license about it so I am not understunding how is possibile make a renewal if its not a rating (in the LPC its part of this).
Is there any official document mentioning this?

[wigbam]

Originally Posted by pilot freak

How long did the course last?

If you're a superhuman and the weather is perfect you can do it in one day - 5hr of theory and 3hr of flying afterwards. But flying 3hr of aerobatics more or less non-stop is not something I'd recommend, so realistically aim for two/three days there. I have managed to do it in three since the weather was really bad.

[covec]

Originally Posted by wigbam

If you're a superhuman and the weather is perfect you can do it in one day - 5hr of theory and 3hr of flying afterwards. But flying 3hr of aerobatics more or less non-stop is not something I'd recommend, so realistically aim for two/three days there. I have managed to do it in three since the weather was really bad.

wigbam - is it just aerobatics then? I’ve seen footage from a friend where they appear to be doing formation aerobatics. Is that it?

Could’ve been another student & instructor at end of lesson & no extra flying charge of course.

Some “schools” quoting near £3000!!! Outrageous for 3 hours of aeros...if that’s what they’re doing!

[covec]

Parkfell.

But how come existing airline crew are not doing it? Or will everyone do it at some point?

Also, the bitching is about the sudden added cost not budgeted for by those of us caught ‘twixt TR & 19 Dec.

And £3K is outrageous for 3 hours flying 5 hours TKI. Switch to an Aerobat not Extra 300.

Fortunately, some operators seem happy to assess before AUPRT & for successful candidates to then do the course.

I predict a backlog of some sort - unless AUPRT FIs increase. Aero Schools are going to be inundated. Lotta wannabes out there...brace brace brace!

All that said - of course the training is good. Just please keep the cost down. We’re not all silver spooned darlings.

[wigbam]

Originally Posted by covec

wigbam - is it just aerobatics then? I’ve seen footage from a friend where they appear to be doing formation aerobatics. Is that it?

It depends. They obviously make sure you learn the maneuvers which are mandated by A-UPRT curriculum first. Then in case you happen to be done with the mandatory stuff in less than 3 hours you might get some extra flying on top of that, but formation flying is definitely not something they normally do as a part of A-UPRT course. So, if you're lucky you might get it.

[covec]

Cancelled my AUPRT. In wake of Flybe & Loganair having a direct recruiting line for ex-Flybe staff I don’t see the point for sometime (live in Scotland).

Aviation correction coming up? Covid-19. And Grant Shapp announcing today (allegedly? Posturing?) that UK will leave EASA.

[Banana Joe]

Big mistake. Get your qualification and start applying. We're definitely not experiencing a positive trend, but at the beginning you have to try every possible opportunity you may have and go ahead with it. Sitting back is not going to take you anywhere.
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[FlyingGreek]

You're going to need it before a type rating regardless of where you go. The market is very competitive right now, why would you want to put yourself at a distinct disadvantage?

[covec]

Originally Posted by FlyingGreek

You're going to need it before a type rating regardless of where you go. The market is very competitive right now, why would you want to put yourself at a distinct disadvantage?

Not here in Scotland.

Loganair announced hot line for Flybe crew only recruitment & those of us who had November's Assessment Day cancelled are still waiting - as are those actually selected in October for TRs in January. Latest HR email (last week) they want TR ATR crew.

Eastern want 1000H "experienced FOs".

BA HR email gone out too re situation & how crews might help.

I'll save the cash by keeping the ME IR going.

Maybe Independence will help 😇: staying within EASA contrary to UK Gov. announcement re UK leaving EASA.

Unless "continent" is more competitive than UK right now?