Easyjet desperate for pilots?
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Officer Kite, its only a debate and a bit of joking around (well I was anyway). What is it they say - 'a man who is afraid to get criticised, never gets recognised'
p.s. I already have a gf, in fact there is a ring heading her way
p.s. I already have a gf, in fact there is a ring heading her way
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I tend to agree although I'd be surprised if "lies and cover ups" were intended by those posting. Despite the bait laying question posed by the original OP, this thread has been revealing and informative. I hope those seeking a structured path to a career in commercial aviation can learn something from the testimony of contributors here. Caveat emptor.
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Reverserbucket,
Here's my answer to your previous question to bring my involvement in this very off-topic thread to a close.
As a trainee I have noticed a total change in internal communications for the better since L3 got its teeth stuck in earlier this year. While CTC Aviation may be no more, it is becoming very clear where L3 wish this business to be five years from now. Cadets now receive monthly emails on the happenings within the organisation which has covered topics such as the rebrand, what it means, progress on investments such as the new simulator centre in Gatwick and fleet in Florida, in addition those points discussed in this post - in detail. They've not beaten around the bush on the topics and have been very forthright with it all. Management from the UK have visited both international sites to meet trainees in person and as I've heard from my peers in the states have had quite a presence there of late. Last but not least, hold pool stats, transparency and airline-partner criteria is inclusive too.
For the avoidance of doubt, my intention has never been to cover stuff up; be libellous or breach my training contract - nor have I.
Here's my answer to your previous question to bring my involvement in this very off-topic thread to a close.
As a trainee I have noticed a total change in internal communications for the better since L3 got its teeth stuck in earlier this year. While CTC Aviation may be no more, it is becoming very clear where L3 wish this business to be five years from now. Cadets now receive monthly emails on the happenings within the organisation which has covered topics such as the rebrand, what it means, progress on investments such as the new simulator centre in Gatwick and fleet in Florida, in addition those points discussed in this post - in detail. They've not beaten around the bush on the topics and have been very forthright with it all. Management from the UK have visited both international sites to meet trainees in person and as I've heard from my peers in the states have had quite a presence there of late. Last but not least, hold pool stats, transparency and airline-partner criteria is inclusive too.
For the avoidance of doubt, my intention has never been to cover stuff up; be libellous or breach my training contract - nor have I.
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And that's precisely the problem. You can't say the realities, because your contract prevents you from revealing confidential information. Hence why you used the odd hiccup, the very idea a cadet didn't know what is happening in the USA is utterly ridiculous.
It would be fantastic to see a current L3/CTC cadet come forward and go yup, it happened and this is why or even someone who recently finished. You can't say diddly
, 'never been to cover up stuff, or breach my contract' what you're essentially saying is. Well, I cant really post what the reality is as well I'll get sued for telling the truth. It sounds a bit like a Nazi regime come to think off it, just one you've paid 100k for.
It would be fantastic to see a current L3/CTC cadet come forward and go yup, it happened and this is why or even someone who recently finished. You can't say diddly
, 'never been to cover up stuff, or breach my contract' what you're essentially saying is. Well, I cant really post what the reality is as well I'll get sued for telling the truth. It sounds a bit like a Nazi regime come to think off it, just one you've paid 100k for.
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I think you may have misunderstood my post - I was supporting your enthusiastic appraisal of your training and ATO, although I must admit to having been confused, as I was under the misimpression that you were an EZY tagged student. My fault for not reading your other contributions properly or looking at your blog. My curiosity was sparked by comments made concerning EZY recruitment and also the relocation of training in the US, and although I appreciate you are in NZ, you clearly have some meaningful insight.
The management visits you describe should be expected and are quite proper following an acquisition and rebranding by a large overseas corporation and it must be reassuring to feel that the company has it's customers best interests at heart. If you had read my post properly you would have understood that my comment regarding posting sensitive or proprietary information was not aimed at you as I think you do a fairly good job of presenting your view in a balanced and proportionate way. I have not suggested that you have covered anything up, acted libellously nor breached any contract and I have no means to determine the accuracy of the information you post although it sounds reasonable. That said, comments by other posters might be seen as verging on the side of contention and my counsel would be to exercise caution and restraint to others when discussing aircraft accidents and potentially sensitive matters in the context of this thread. You merely stated that there had been problems as a result of
which in turn led to mention of DA40 performance problems in hot weather and all that followed (I believe CTC/L3 CTS lease part of a LFT owned company's training facility at Goodyear, AZ). I sought more information but none has been forthcoming. You give the impression of being a well informed and trustworthy source of information who keenly imparts his experiences, and as such I feel it only fair that others here who have a genuine interest in professional pilot training, school selection and airline employment should seek your opinion.
I'm disappointed you feel this thread has gone off topic as I think that, as mentioned, the OP's title for this thread surely had to be a red rag to a bull to anyone close to or involved with either the airline or largest source of low experience pilot candidates? A discussion that has evolved from that is surely to be expected? One thing that is clear though is that EZY are not desperate for low houred recently graduated pilots at the moment; there is a need for more experienced candidates as departures to BA and elsewhere continue but the airline are unlikely to be 'sponsoring' inexperienced ICAO licence holders to obtain an EASA ticket with type rating. As far fetched as that may sound, I can remember a time when Britannia Airways (Thomson/TUI) were pinning postcards to flying club notice boards inviting applicants with a CPL and 700 hours TT to apply for a bonded IR course followed shortly thereafter by almost ten years of zero flightdeck recruitment; it's said that the only consistent part of airline recruitment is it's inconsistency.
Good luck with your training George and enjoy the training for the IRT.
I think you may have misunderstood my post - I was supporting your enthusiastic appraisal of your training and ATO, although I must admit to having been confused, as I was under the misimpression that you were an EZY tagged student. My fault for not reading your other contributions properly or looking at your blog. My curiosity was sparked by comments made concerning EZY recruitment and also the relocation of training in the US, and although I appreciate you are in NZ, you clearly have some meaningful insight.
The management visits you describe should be expected and are quite proper following an acquisition and rebranding by a large overseas corporation and it must be reassuring to feel that the company has it's customers best interests at heart. If you had read my post properly you would have understood that my comment regarding posting sensitive or proprietary information was not aimed at you as I think you do a fairly good job of presenting your view in a balanced and proportionate way. I have not suggested that you have covered anything up, acted libellously nor breached any contract and I have no means to determine the accuracy of the information you post although it sounds reasonable. That said, comments by other posters might be seen as verging on the side of contention and my counsel would be to exercise caution and restraint to others when discussing aircraft accidents and potentially sensitive matters in the context of this thread. You merely stated that there had been problems as a result of
growing pains off the back of changes at the Lufthansa owned facility in Arizona.
I'm disappointed you feel this thread has gone off topic as I think that, as mentioned, the OP's title for this thread surely had to be a red rag to a bull to anyone close to or involved with either the airline or largest source of low experience pilot candidates? A discussion that has evolved from that is surely to be expected? One thing that is clear though is that EZY are not desperate for low houred recently graduated pilots at the moment; there is a need for more experienced candidates as departures to BA and elsewhere continue but the airline are unlikely to be 'sponsoring' inexperienced ICAO licence holders to obtain an EASA ticket with type rating. As far fetched as that may sound, I can remember a time when Britannia Airways (Thomson/TUI) were pinning postcards to flying club notice boards inviting applicants with a CPL and 700 hours TT to apply for a bonded IR course followed shortly thereafter by almost ten years of zero flightdeck recruitment; it's said that the only consistent part of airline recruitment is it's inconsistency.
Good luck with your training George and enjoy the training for the IRT.
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Reverserbucket,
I genuinely believe you have a connection to CTC, L3 or whatever the **** they're called now.
The fact you are now supporting George and now mentioning the size of L3. No more information will be forthcoming, as it would be the truth. Growing problems, does not explain an aircraft crash making the local news. I've flown light aircraft up to tripe 7's each year my airline has increased size, I'm yet to see our growing problems result in a crash or months of grounding. Now, Mr Botley if you've anything to add truthful. Be sure to post it.
I genuinely believe you have a connection to CTC, L3 or whatever the **** they're called now.
The fact you are now supporting George and now mentioning the size of L3. No more information will be forthcoming, as it would be the truth. Growing problems, does not explain an aircraft crash making the local news. I've flown light aircraft up to tripe 7's each year my airline has increased size, I'm yet to see our growing problems result in a crash or months of grounding. Now, Mr Botley if you've anything to add truthful. Be sure to post it.
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Reverserbucket,
Perhaps I should have made that clearer - I'm Whitetail, not MPL. I agree conversational development around the point is to be expected; but I feel it became quite personal towards me at times which is partly the reason for my statement. You are correct in that easyJet, like many of their competitors, seem to want Captains. This industry was once described to me as a bucket with holes in. To plug the holes you need new employees; but training said employees takes time. This training is also important in this issue given the demand for TRI/TREs at many carriers which I guess is also holding things up at other ends of the timeline.
In truth I guess the main answer to the original question is, for as long as easyJet and other airlines have a large number of integrated self-funded fATPL graduates then full sponsorship is unlikely. I thank you for your kind comments and best wishes; and apologise if I/you/we misunderstood one another. That's sadly the downside of text based communication at times. :/
Perhaps I should have made that clearer - I'm Whitetail, not MPL. I agree conversational development around the point is to be expected; but I feel it became quite personal towards me at times which is partly the reason for my statement. You are correct in that easyJet, like many of their competitors, seem to want Captains. This industry was once described to me as a bucket with holes in. To plug the holes you need new employees; but training said employees takes time. This training is also important in this issue given the demand for TRI/TREs at many carriers which I guess is also holding things up at other ends of the timeline.
In truth I guess the main answer to the original question is, for as long as easyJet and other airlines have a large number of integrated self-funded fATPL graduates then full sponsorship is unlikely. I thank you for your kind comments and best wishes; and apologise if I/you/we misunderstood one another. That's sadly the downside of text based communication at times. :/
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As I'm aware. Yet recruitment at the same school via Route 1, 2 and 3 remains as prevalent as ever. There's the confusion to be truthful. If the airline truly was changing its' stance and opinion on L3 then surely you would see the entire portfolio alter? Just got to sit this out and see what happens. I never expected an easy ride anyway and always planned to apply to third-party carriers too. :-) Time will tell. Let's not forget this forum is full of rumours half the time.
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You would be wrong. I'm curious though, do you know more about the DA40 forced landing? It appears that the same aircraft also made another off airport landing on 31 May 2016? The one reported in April this year looks like an EFATO although a fair distance from a decent length runway?
You would be wrong. I'm curious though, do you know more about the DA40 forced landing? It appears that the same aircraft also made another off airport landing on 31 May 2016? The one reported in April this year looks like an EFATO although a fair distance from a decent length runway?
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Reversbucket,
I've been checking this thread often. I find it off particular interest, I'm also glad to see it has nearly 10,000 views.
However I do believe Sullysark said he heard it from an FO who just came from CTC. If you believe George is a good source of information. I believe you should ask George what happened with the crash in Phoenix as you referred to him as someone a potential cadet should seek information from.
I've been checking this thread often. I find it off particular interest, I'm also glad to see it has nearly 10,000 views.
However I do believe Sullysark said he heard it from an FO who just came from CTC. If you believe George is a good source of information. I believe you should ask George what happened with the crash in Phoenix as you referred to him as someone a potential cadet should seek information from.
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Interesting thread so far.
Are Easyjet going to be short of pilots? No, doubt they will be to the extent of the blue and yellow mob unless it's a shortage of experienced captains. Whilst I'm under the impression their T&Cs don't match what was available in the industry twenty years ago, they're good enough to seemingly prevent a lot people from going to Norwegian or other carriers. Shame they don't take modular types straight out of training but that's a different debate altogether.
I've read gbotley's blog (or at least fair bits of it) and even though I'm strongly against the way integrated is funded, it does seem a reasonably good blog when it comes to practical matters, such as the assessment process, the way training is structured, transport to/from the accommodation etc. Of course he's not going to be overly negative when using his real name to write about an organisation which could massively help or hinder him finding a job at the end. That's common sense and unfortunately it is a practical reality of training that despite trainees paying huge sums of money, the flight schools do have a firm grip of candidates due to the schools' connections with the airlines. Anyone reading any blog about aviation training should be aware of that.
It can, I believe be a fairly small industry so when researching the industry or a specific training school with an attitude to beginning training, get an opinion from as many informed people as you can from a reasonably diverse background and see what the consensus is. Factor in anything which could influence the opinion of individuals or a group as a whole. Basic common sense.
Are Easyjet going to be short of pilots? No, doubt they will be to the extent of the blue and yellow mob unless it's a shortage of experienced captains. Whilst I'm under the impression their T&Cs don't match what was available in the industry twenty years ago, they're good enough to seemingly prevent a lot people from going to Norwegian or other carriers. Shame they don't take modular types straight out of training but that's a different debate altogether.
I've read gbotley's blog (or at least fair bits of it) and even though I'm strongly against the way integrated is funded, it does seem a reasonably good blog when it comes to practical matters, such as the assessment process, the way training is structured, transport to/from the accommodation etc. Of course he's not going to be overly negative when using his real name to write about an organisation which could massively help or hinder him finding a job at the end. That's common sense and unfortunately it is a practical reality of training that despite trainees paying huge sums of money, the flight schools do have a firm grip of candidates due to the schools' connections with the airlines. Anyone reading any blog about aviation training should be aware of that.
It can, I believe be a fairly small industry so when researching the industry or a specific training school with an attitude to beginning training, get an opinion from as many informed people as you can from a reasonably diverse background and see what the consensus is. Factor in anything which could influence the opinion of individuals or a group as a whole. Basic common sense.
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This one didn't make the news. Fleet grounded in the United States, again.
I can simply post an aircraft in a desert field photo.
MR BOTLEY. Can you pass comment? (I think Mr Botley is ignoring me)
I can simply post an aircraft in a desert field photo.
MR BOTLEY. Can you pass comment? (I think Mr Botley is ignoring me)
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This thread stopped being about easyJet and moved onto a thread where a guy with 20 posts (curiously enough...) comes to attack a cadet who's done nothing but try to help others that are starting in aviation just as he is. This is not what aviation and encouraging new aviators should be about! If gbotley has been accused of being sponsored by L3 to say nice things about them, I'm curious as to who may be sponsoring you, Sullysark. And that is as far as I'll go...