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Kaypam you will not do your fATPL from scratch in 10 months, I hate to sound rude but set yourself an achievable (realistic) goal. Even 12 months is quite low. Think more 14.
And don't get too bogged down if you don't pass your IR first time. There are some who will accept a second pass. I heard of one individual now flying an A321 who had a 3rd series pass! Best of luck with it
And don't get too bogged down if you don't pass your IR first time. There are some who will accept a second pass. I heard of one individual now flying an A321 who had a 3rd series pass! Best of luck with it
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KayPam, you are being too naive...plain simple.
2 months for PPL
2 months for IR
2 months for CPL
6 months for ATPL Theory
Throw in a few more for unexpected delays, exam retakes and time building, you just got your 14-15 months MINIMUM.
You have to remember that planes break down, that you're not the only student the school has to get flying, that sometimes it's easier said than done and you have to focus on a specific thing and so on... Don't run against the clock, I can guarantee you that life will make the clock win.
Take your time, choose what's best for your pocket and career but be realistic on your goals. Forget the big poster every school has by the door saying: "Our cadets fly for XXX, YYY, CCC, AAA, BBB". The cadets fly for those schools based on their own effort, sleepless nights and most of the time self-sponsored type rating + MCC/JOC + whatever... YOU will be the difference between flying for A or B airline in the future, don't rely on their marketing because in the end of the day, schools are businesses with a sole purpose...to make money!
2 months for PPL
2 months for IR
2 months for CPL
6 months for ATPL Theory
Throw in a few more for unexpected delays, exam retakes and time building, you just got your 14-15 months MINIMUM.
You have to remember that planes break down, that you're not the only student the school has to get flying, that sometimes it's easier said than done and you have to focus on a specific thing and so on... Don't run against the clock, I can guarantee you that life will make the clock win.
Take your time, choose what's best for your pocket and career but be realistic on your goals. Forget the big poster every school has by the door saying: "Our cadets fly for XXX, YYY, CCC, AAA, BBB". The cadets fly for those schools based on their own effort, sleepless nights and most of the time self-sponsored type rating + MCC/JOC + whatever... YOU will be the difference between flying for A or B airline in the future, don't rely on their marketing because in the end of the day, schools are businesses with a sole purpose...to make money!
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Kaypam you will not do your fATPL from scratch in 10 months, I hate to sound rude but set yourself an achievable (realistic) goal. Even 12 months is quite low. Think more 14.
And don't get too bogged down if you don't pass your IR first time. There are some who will accept a second pass. I heard of one individual now flying an A321 who had a 3rd series pass! Best of luck with it
And don't get too bogged down if you don't pass your IR first time. There are some who will accept a second pass. I heard of one individual now flying an A321 who had a 3rd series pass! Best of luck with it
Facts are I am ready for 4 (and almost 5) subjects out of 14 after just 7 weeks of work.
My only worry is the delay before being able to take the tests, but it should work out well provided I pay the CAA fee
For the subjects to come, I graduated a year ago with a master's degree in aero engineering. As my education covered most of the subjects (more or less in depth) I'm not worried at all regarding the subjects to come.
Daily work is key
I am right now in a break from my question bank.Most worrisome steps are financing, getting a place in a flight school on such short notice (for instance, tayside aviation told me that they will not have a place for me anywhere in 2017) and getting a job afterwards.
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You will be doing well to get through the ATPLs in 6 months if you are studying modular! Trying to get brush-up courses and exam dates back to back at a time that suits you is not always easy!
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These types of threads really depress me. Treating the PPL and hour building like inconvenient hurdles to tick off as quick as possible.
Do you want to fly or just desperate to wear the uniform?
Go and learn some real skills at a good school. Not just one that will get you through the PPL syllabus asap. Next go and fly as many types as you can and become a decent pilot with some actual skills rather than yet another 100 hour facebook skygod in a C152.
If you get a job You will be spending a lot of time watching the autopilot follow the magenta line and if you a borrowing the money to fund it you will not be able to afford to fly for fun.
Do you want to fly or just desperate to wear the uniform?
Go and learn some real skills at a good school. Not just one that will get you through the PPL syllabus asap. Next go and fly as many types as you can and become a decent pilot with some actual skills rather than yet another 100 hour facebook skygod in a C152.
If you get a job You will be spending a lot of time watching the autopilot follow the magenta line and if you a borrowing the money to fund it you will not be able to afford to fly for fun.
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I need to clarify things a bit.
My initial plan was to train at a very slow pace, paying my training only with my salary.
However,right now we are in a very favourable phase for recruitments. This could end anytime. So my best chance at getting a job is to train ASAP.
Things would be different if this was the year 2009.
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KayPam,
You certainly seem dead set on the course you've planned. No problem. But in my (ten years of) experience in the industry, having seen plenty of people trying to get in, and plenty not, I really do think you're better off going integrated right now. That's not to say doing it modular is wrong; just that from what I've seen, you'll maximise the chances doing the other way.
You'll probably get a job doing it modular. But (it'll certainly not get done in 12 months btw) you run the risk of waiting months or years post graduation for the first job. Like a lot of modular people have. You'll then have spent a lot more time at it.
Take from that what you will. No guarantees.
You certainly seem dead set on the course you've planned. No problem. But in my (ten years of) experience in the industry, having seen plenty of people trying to get in, and plenty not, I really do think you're better off going integrated right now. That's not to say doing it modular is wrong; just that from what I've seen, you'll maximise the chances doing the other way.
You'll probably get a job doing it modular. But (it'll certainly not get done in 12 months btw) you run the risk of waiting months or years post graduation for the first job. Like a lot of modular people have. You'll then have spent a lot more time at it.
Take from that what you will. No guarantees.
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I am going to start pilot training very soon, going modular, firstly starting off with the PPL at some local flying school at halfpenny green airport. once i have done that, I am going to join CTC takeoff, doing each course individually. I aim to be done in 12-15 months time.
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I am going to start pilot training very soon, going modular, firstly starting off with the PPL at some local flying school at halfpenny green airport. once i have done that, I am going to join CTC takeoff, doing each course individually. I aim to be done in 12-15 months time.
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I am going to start pilot training very soon, going modular, firstly starting off with the PPL at some local flying school at halfpenny green airport. once i have done that, I am going to join CTC takeoff, doing each course individually. I aim to be done in 12-15 months time.
You will be WASTING YOUR MONEY.
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In regards to planning how long you think the training will take you ill give you my experience so far.
Background: Finished Uni with an Aerospace degree, got a full time engineering job local to me in May 2015 and started training in July. Had very little money to start with, all funding comes from working.
Started a LAPL in July 2015 (no real reason, just the instructor I wanted to fly with could only do LAPL's). I managed to get a test in on Christmas Eve, licence was issued January. I then did a night rating as part of the PPL conversion course and finally got a PPL (A) with a night rating issued by March 2016. This could have been earlier but due to the weather. So you're talking around 8 months for all that.
I was then lucky to find an economical share in a Cessna 150 locally for hour building. Some fantastic flying over the summer turned into a bit of a drag over winter. 157 hours was hit in January 2017. 10 months for that.
Taking a step back a little, I signed up to an ATPL course with CAT's in May time. Of the three stages, I passed the first in October, second stage in January 2017 and I have the final stage penciled in for March-April 2017. Without a doubt the most difficult and strenuous part of training. Be careful when estimating the time for this. Trying to rush these is probably not worth the resits. Lots of information to take in but they are all passable.
So 20 months in and you don't feel like you have made much progress but its close, you just have to stick with it.
My plan, note, PLAN, it may change, is as follows:
I have a course booked at Diamond Flight Academy in Sweden for June. This will take me to August assuming all is well. When im back it will be the MCC/JOC course which is still undecided, depending on finance at the time.
So overall it will have taken me around 2 years 2 months. Depending on your background, finances, motivation and determination, I would say that is a relatively fair estimate for someone who starts off with very little with a full time job.
Hope this helps anyone who wants to follow the modular route. I can't say if it will give me an advantage over an Integrated guy, but I certainly think you get much more life experience and are probably a more rounded individual at the end. I don't mean that against an integrated guy however.
Plan things, budget things, but be aware things can change in an instant. If the exchange rates drop my plan may change again
PM me if anyone has any questions.
Background: Finished Uni with an Aerospace degree, got a full time engineering job local to me in May 2015 and started training in July. Had very little money to start with, all funding comes from working.
Started a LAPL in July 2015 (no real reason, just the instructor I wanted to fly with could only do LAPL's). I managed to get a test in on Christmas Eve, licence was issued January. I then did a night rating as part of the PPL conversion course and finally got a PPL (A) with a night rating issued by March 2016. This could have been earlier but due to the weather. So you're talking around 8 months for all that.
I was then lucky to find an economical share in a Cessna 150 locally for hour building. Some fantastic flying over the summer turned into a bit of a drag over winter. 157 hours was hit in January 2017. 10 months for that.
Taking a step back a little, I signed up to an ATPL course with CAT's in May time. Of the three stages, I passed the first in October, second stage in January 2017 and I have the final stage penciled in for March-April 2017. Without a doubt the most difficult and strenuous part of training. Be careful when estimating the time for this. Trying to rush these is probably not worth the resits. Lots of information to take in but they are all passable.
So 20 months in and you don't feel like you have made much progress but its close, you just have to stick with it.
My plan, note, PLAN, it may change, is as follows:
I have a course booked at Diamond Flight Academy in Sweden for June. This will take me to August assuming all is well. When im back it will be the MCC/JOC course which is still undecided, depending on finance at the time.
So overall it will have taken me around 2 years 2 months. Depending on your background, finances, motivation and determination, I would say that is a relatively fair estimate for someone who starts off with very little with a full time job.
Hope this helps anyone who wants to follow the modular route. I can't say if it will give me an advantage over an Integrated guy, but I certainly think you get much more life experience and are probably a more rounded individual at the end. I don't mean that against an integrated guy however.
Plan things, budget things, but be aware things can change in an instant. If the exchange rates drop my plan may change again
PM me if anyone has any questions.
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As Tech has said, you can lose the lot and since it's your money which you've put up front, what does an airline have to lose if they don't think you're right for them? The Aer Lingus scheme is a good one (they pay the lot up front) and if you have a PPL, possibly West Atlantic.
Personally I wouldn't touch the rest unless I could afford to lose a lot of money. I wouldn't pay for my own training either beyond getting an instructors rating in my spare time. You only have to look outside of the commercial piloting bubble to see how bad some of the schemes are.
You have plenty of big companies paying for people to complete 5, 6 and 7 year training programmes which involve a mixture of work and study, often to degree level. Indeed, the training programme that I'm on costs my current employer the best part of £150k from start-to-finish. How much of it am I paying? None, they're paying me instead.
Hopefully, that puts everything into perspective. I know it's a dream and yes, the marketing people do a very effective job of selling it but make sure you see through the marketing hype for what it is at the end of the day. A job. One which the employer should be paying you for and ideally paying for your training too.
Personally I wouldn't touch the rest unless I could afford to lose a lot of money. I wouldn't pay for my own training either beyond getting an instructors rating in my spare time. You only have to look outside of the commercial piloting bubble to see how bad some of the schemes are.
You have plenty of big companies paying for people to complete 5, 6 and 7 year training programmes which involve a mixture of work and study, often to degree level. Indeed, the training programme that I'm on costs my current employer the best part of £150k from start-to-finish. How much of it am I paying? None, they're paying me instead.
Hopefully, that puts everything into perspective. I know it's a dream and yes, the marketing people do a very effective job of selling it but make sure you see through the marketing hype for what it is at the end of the day. A job. One which the employer should be paying you for and ideally paying for your training too.
