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Old 12th Feb 2021, 21:02
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I'm not defending this company, nor these agencies, but from what I heard here, it's not the classical P2F scheme, they actually are not asking money for doing hours.

I mean, this is absolutely not the right time to undergo a self-sponsored Type Rating, and I totally agree that accepting ridiculous salaries ruins the market, but this airline is not asking you to pay for flying, like many others.

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Old 12th Feb 2021, 21:34
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What is it asking for then?
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 10:49
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If they give you the job, they pay you.
P2F is the opposite, you pay for flying
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 11:42
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So 35k for type rating,
3k living and travel costs in that time.

Monthly pay will be around 1000-1500 a month if ever they decide they need you.

Flight hours are not guaranteed, this companyis doing very little flying and cadets from 2019 who finished their type in 2020 still have not flown a single hour as a first officer.

Total investment into flight training is probably around 100k by the time you get to line training and all to break even at the end of the month approximately. Keep in mind you are flying multi million dollar machinery and taken at least 3 years of work and study to get to that point.
You have 100 + lives on your hands at any one time and any kind of failure can put you in a catastrophe where you can face prison time if you are deemed to be responsible for an accident where someone has been injured or lost their life.

All that responsibility.
All that hard work to get there.
All that money spent to get there.

And all you are doing is letting the company profit from you and pay you relatively little for the amount of responsibility and work it takes to get to the right hand seat.

I'll let you decide if it's worth it for you to sign up for this kind of scheme but please don't tell me this is a good offer or anything along those lines because it's not.
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 12:09
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In what other industry would you pay 35k for a job!?
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 12:18
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Nobody "dreams" of becoming an accountant.
I was willing to pay for a type before I started my training because it had become the norm but not for a job that pays you just enough to pay basic living costs in Eastern Europe. Paying for a type is one thing but if the monthly pay is in excess of 4-5k a month after paying type I see a reason to justify paying that sort of money but not for the kind of pay Smartlynx offer.
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 19:44
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You probably don't know what it means to open a business.
And you can probably break-even after years, being a lucky one.
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 20:01
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Ultimately, there is a load of jobs, in particular in finance, where people need very expensive post graduation masters to get access at some positions (I'm talking about my country).
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 21:58
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But the salaries would be more than decent from the start. Here you would struggle to break even, assuming you even get to fly, which is unlikely, since actual Smartlynx pilots are on unpaid leave themselves.
Smartlynx was together with Avion Express one of the worst airlines even during the good times, money wise, I don't even wanna think about the salaries post covid...
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Old 13th Feb 2021, 22:06
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Yes I totally agree, infact i'm not defending this company, and I don't even know the actual salary
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Old 15th Feb 2021, 09:41
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Hi guys!

Is anyone here thinking of starting the TR course (Job guarantee - 35k) in March with this Company?

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Old 15th Feb 2021, 10:24
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By (job guarantee) what exactly are you expecting with this company?
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Old 15th Feb 2021, 11:02
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Just tell me, I am trying to figure it out...
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Old 10th Mar 2021, 21:14
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I did the on line assessment last week and the interview this week.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 09:37
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How was the Online assessment ? How did you prepare and also with the ATPL? Did you do aviation exam before or how did you prepare. I havent prepared due to been working and didn't know if I was going to hear from them and then suddenly out of thin air I got an email this morning.

I just feel after reading this thread that it feels like a scam. Even tho I know it feels like p2f is the only way for us newly graduated pilots with hours below 250.
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Old 11th Mar 2021, 13:19
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Dear all,

I have also been interested in this programme, but compared to a standard Type-Rating course, the amount of given training is on the lower end.
With SmartLynx you get: 9 days ground course/ 12 hrs FTD/ 40 hrs FFS/ Skill Test and base training for 35 000 Euros.

I don't know any details about the offered contract after training, but I think it will only be upon demand of pilots. If you look at their customers (half of them are in trouble have made pilots redundant), this demand will in my opinion very low (please keep in mind, that graduates from end of 2019 and 2020 are not flying and also their own pilots).

I have another offer for a A320 Type-Rating from a well known company in germany, which includes:
15 days ground-school/ 39 hrs FTD/ 32 hrs FFS/ Skill Test and base training for 21 000 Euros.

So you get a lot more hours in the FTD to familiarize yourself with the aircraft and to be fit for the FFS-sessions (but only eight FFS sessions) + longer ground school.
For me it's an overpriced rating, to keep their simulators busy.
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Old 13th Mar 2021, 14:52
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A good friend of mine did the type rating in april 2019. We both did the selection with a Romanian company called Blue Air. But at the end he chose for Smartlynx because he wanter to fly Airbus. I regretted going to Blue Air. However he did get a contract after the type rating. But then again, this was in the peak season of 2019. It's hard to believe that this year it will come close to 2019 and before.

I personally will never pay for a type rating again without having a job guarantee.

Good luck to you all.
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 08:43
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You have done it once with blue air, why not twice? Smart choice from your partner not going to hell in blue air.
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 10:33
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If you want to do type rating do it at independent training center which would cost around 15-20k. Believe me my friends who did TR at independent training center and at SLX are at the same condition during last 1 year. No job, no salary (even they have contract with SLX). With the difference of 15K you can fly SE or ME more or less 50 hours so you can keep yourself current and into the aviation.

Their service agreement contract is totally illegal in my opinion but not binding in European Union because it is offered via 3rd country company. Having this contract or not having is exactly has same meaning=unemployment. Sooner or later this type of bogus schemes and contract will be forbidden however politicians need to wait and see some catastrophic event which involves such contracts. There is nothing here to compare with RYR contracts because they are much more socially responsible.

2021 will be hard year for pilots who has such contracts therefore flying times will be very little. If SLX starts to operate this year it will be maybe with 5-8 A/C at most. Like one of the post said I would not be surprised if they let new TR students fly instead of those finished on 2019-2020.

Think twice.

I would say if you really want something in aviation do a teaching course for ground schools or obtain FI rating. Because teaching sector will revitalize faster than commercial flying since there is at least lag of 2 years.
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Old 18th Mar 2021, 13:49
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I would say you are wrong. I mean this would be the case in ideal world. Unfortunatelly, majority of people thinks this way: everyone is doing ATPL now - I should do it to... So masivelly training will start when airlines will start to hire again. Those who will start training now, will be finishing by that time and be "job ready", those who will start in that moment will in big numbers finish training just before another crisis.

Its the same in economy, if the taxi driver tells you he is buing stocks cause its awesome way of making money its a good time to sell yours.
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