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Baron,
1. This "year-thing"was a union negotiation and I don't think there's anything actually binding that makes it so. Regardless there are quarterly intakes every year so expect more than a year on flexi at least. Despite MPL selection expect another panel interview with 'give me a time' questions and another psycho test having flown around for at least a year and a bit.
2. Nope, they scrapped this because it was 'never used'. Read into that what you will.....
3. Probably the only benefit with CTC, yes. But no security bond repayment.
4. This is never actually spelt out anywhere but reports suggest that your salary is decreased to the amount of the bond repayments for the year so in effect its a small tax advantage on the original value of your salary - that's it. So 'fully-sponsored' is a bit of a stretch, do not expect to see that money again. If you transfer out of the UK, no bond repayments.
"Maybe I should hold out for the FPP
" - That is an astute observation.
1. This "year-thing"was a union negotiation and I don't think there's anything actually binding that makes it so. Regardless there are quarterly intakes every year so expect more than a year on flexi at least. Despite MPL selection expect another panel interview with 'give me a time' questions and another psycho test having flown around for at least a year and a bit.
2. Nope, they scrapped this because it was 'never used'. Read into that what you will.....
3. Probably the only benefit with CTC, yes. But no security bond repayment.
4. This is never actually spelt out anywhere but reports suggest that your salary is decreased to the amount of the bond repayments for the year so in effect its a small tax advantage on the original value of your salary - that's it. So 'fully-sponsored' is a bit of a stretch, do not expect to see that money again. If you transfer out of the UK, no bond repayments.
"Maybe I should hold out for the FPP
" - That is an astute observation.
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Thanks FFR.
I have been on the phone to CTC and got some answers from them:
1. As you said Flexicrew is still the case and there will be another interview at the end. I have also spoken to a guy I know who has been through CTC and he said that you'd have to be doing something majorly wrong to not pass the interview.
2. No hours guarantee.
3. CTC say there is now no guarantee of a UK base, only that its more than likely you will get offered one.
4. CTC quoted the salary once employed by EZY as £38.75K, which is the same as what is quoted for the Flexicrew earnings. However you can add on the top of that the £1000p/m bond repayment once employed by EZY.
So your salary does go up, however if you were to be directly employed by EZY as an FO your salary would be £40.5K. So this scheme would have a fairly decent tax advantage in terms of monthly pay; you would be on about £2400/month salary plus £1000 tax free as opposed to £2550/month. However consider that your loan repayment may be nearing £1900/month, meaning a take home of £1500, which is roughly equivalent to a salary of £23k. Of course your take home figure would be more if you were able to borrow less.
Could anyone who has been through the scheme confirm my back-of-fag-packet maths? Or perhaps more importantly, are you happy with what you got out of the scheme and your work-life now?
Interestingly I heard from FTE that the FPP wont open until Autumn 2016.
I have been on the phone to CTC and got some answers from them:
1. As you said Flexicrew is still the case and there will be another interview at the end. I have also spoken to a guy I know who has been through CTC and he said that you'd have to be doing something majorly wrong to not pass the interview.
2. No hours guarantee.
3. CTC say there is now no guarantee of a UK base, only that its more than likely you will get offered one.
4. CTC quoted the salary once employed by EZY as £38.75K, which is the same as what is quoted for the Flexicrew earnings. However you can add on the top of that the £1000p/m bond repayment once employed by EZY.
So your salary does go up, however if you were to be directly employed by EZY as an FO your salary would be £40.5K. So this scheme would have a fairly decent tax advantage in terms of monthly pay; you would be on about £2400/month salary plus £1000 tax free as opposed to £2550/month. However consider that your loan repayment may be nearing £1900/month, meaning a take home of £1500, which is roughly equivalent to a salary of £23k. Of course your take home figure would be more if you were able to borrow less.
Could anyone who has been through the scheme confirm my back-of-fag-packet maths? Or perhaps more importantly, are you happy with what you got out of the scheme and your work-life now?
Interestingly I heard from FTE that the FPP wont open until Autumn 2016.
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1. Yes however the format had changed recently to include the psycho evaluation and panel competency interview rather than just the 'base captain chat'... Having heard a few stories of guys not making it, I am worried!
4. Easyjet pay you £40.5k gross on the Second Officer salary so 'by the book' I would expect tax free repayments from CTC/EZY on top of the taxed salary. Anything other than that is bordering on stealing wages!
I've gone through the system and would say of CTC that the training is adequate. Flying (and especially training) at Easy is great, 98% of the crew being top guys and gals, though with the usual moanings of a large company- shortage of uniform, getting lost in the system, disruption over the summer etc.. When junior, the roster is quite forgiving even at Gatwick- though roster variations can be very pronounced as you progress through all the different contracts. Whether or not it is a sustainable career at the moment is questionable- the amount of captains I fly with who are exhausted/looking for part time/ready to strike due to the new EASA flight time regulations is quite telling and shows thing are changing quicker than people might expect...
4. Easyjet pay you £40.5k gross on the Second Officer salary so 'by the book' I would expect tax free repayments from CTC/EZY on top of the taxed salary. Anything other than that is bordering on stealing wages!
I've gone through the system and would say of CTC that the training is adequate. Flying (and especially training) at Easy is great, 98% of the crew being top guys and gals, though with the usual moanings of a large company- shortage of uniform, getting lost in the system, disruption over the summer etc.. When junior, the roster is quite forgiving even at Gatwick- though roster variations can be very pronounced as you progress through all the different contracts. Whether or not it is a sustainable career at the moment is questionable- the amount of captains I fly with who are exhausted/looking for part time/ready to strike due to the new EASA flight time regulations is quite telling and shows thing are changing quicker than people might expect...
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Is it worth 100K question from BVB.
NO!
The Air Lingus scheme is better.
If you pay peanuts (After tax and bond payments), you will either get monkeys or soon have the new co-pilots behaving like them.
The Air Lingus scheme is better.
If you pay peanuts (After tax and bond payments), you will either get monkeys or soon have the new co-pilots behaving like them.
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Baron: Tough call. It boils down to being a consumer choice at the end of the day and EZY compares less favourably. If you were in Europe or desperately seeking a northern UK base or *reasonably* quick command then yes it is a good option. Though with fatigue issues as discussed above, things change so quickly and rarely for the better in this industry.
If not I would certainly apply to the likes of BA and EI a few times at least before considering giving EZY/CTC your money, particularly if you haven't applied to airlines before. Under no circumstances would I self-sponsor at any time.
John: Point taken (and already made in one of my previous posts) however when one looks at one's own CTC and EZY paperwork and the Terms and Conditions set out by both parties, there is nothing to indicate anything other £40.5k + bond repayments is in the offing. Given the general atmosphere at the moment and with the trend in this thread I am not of course realistically expecting this to happen.
If not I would certainly apply to the likes of BA and EI a few times at least before considering giving EZY/CTC your money, particularly if you haven't applied to airlines before. Under no circumstances would I self-sponsor at any time.
John: Point taken (and already made in one of my previous posts) however when one looks at one's own CTC and EZY paperwork and the Terms and Conditions set out by both parties, there is nothing to indicate anything other £40.5k + bond repayments is in the offing. Given the general atmosphere at the moment and with the trend in this thread I am not of course realistically expecting this to happen.
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3. CTC say there is now no guarantee of a UK base, only that its more than likely you will get offered one.
Only Parc cadets get sent to Germany. (No flexi in France / Italy / Ams).
Regarding failing interviews, the Luton interviews has been there for many years but they did downgrade it at some point to BC chats. Don't be afraid of these interviews as 99% pass. There are some who don't but these select few were ones who really don't fit the company ethos.
Hope that helps.
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All,
Should after completing the mpl course with easyjet, let's imagine that for any reason they will not employ us.
Can we get employed with another company owing A320s?
Another point, both oxford and ctc are offering the same mpl course. However, the costs are different for the same employment! Ctc are including lodging and security bond repayment while oxford did not advise any repayments just one whole price!
With whom shall we apply?
Should after completing the mpl course with easyjet, let's imagine that for any reason they will not employ us.
Can we get employed with another company owing A320s?
Another point, both oxford and ctc are offering the same mpl course. However, the costs are different for the same employment! Ctc are including lodging and security bond repayment while oxford did not advise any repayments just one whole price!
With whom shall we apply?
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Oxford has always cost more but the contract you're employed on isn't the same.
The Parc contract is around £50 / hour which, while running your own company, can lead to some very good months of pay.
CTC is 12 - 18 months (can't remember) but only at £1200 / month and I know of guys on that scheme who had to declare themselves bankrupt.
I'd rather have the higher up front cost but higher income so I am in a position to manage my own finances.
The Parc contract is around £50 / hour which, while running your own company, can lead to some very good months of pay.
CTC is 12 - 18 months (can't remember) but only at £1200 / month and I know of guys on that scheme who had to declare themselves bankrupt.
I'd rather have the higher up front cost but higher income so I am in a position to manage my own finances.
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No you cannot apply to both, you must choose either CTC or Oxford. If you apply to both then only your first application will be considered. This is according to the OAA website.
To me it seems as though CTC is the obvious choice, the high likelihood of a UK base as well as the security bond coming back tax free is a big advantage. Getting any money tax free mower days is worth a lot.
Out of intrest is there anyone who has applied to Oxford on here?
To me it seems as though CTC is the obvious choice, the high likelihood of a UK base as well as the security bond coming back tax free is a big advantage. Getting any money tax free mower days is worth a lot.
Out of intrest is there anyone who has applied to Oxford on here?
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I know it from experience. It may have changed but I am not aware of any CTC cadets being based in Europe.
The only ones who went off to Europe, that I knew of, were offered permanent contracts to do so and so were not flexi.
Where are they based?
The way CTC contracts are (were?) set up meant they could NOT be based outside of the UK.
The only ones who went off to Europe, that I knew of, were offered permanent contracts to do so and so were not flexi.
Where are they based?
The way CTC contracts are (were?) set up meant they could NOT be based outside of the UK.
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ecamsurprise is definitely correct. You either go flexicrew for minimum 12 months in the UK or onto a permanent contract abroad. Recently a CTC white tail cadet type rating were offered basings in CDG, BCN or OPO - all on permanent contracts from the word go. However in this case you would forefit your 'security bond' which is given back in the form of tax relief on a UK contract after the flexicrew
It is not possible to be based abroad on CTC Flexicrew.
It is not possible to be based abroad on CTC Flexicrew.
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Thank you.
Also if you go to LIS / OPO on a perm, you have to be replaced so the transfer out can take a very very long time.
BCN has no contractural right to transfer. So I imagine the same game.
Also the CDG SO contract is eye watering. I found it tight living in Paris and paying off a loan on the FO contract (with sector pay). Wouldn't want to try it as an SO with no sector pay.
Bear in mind that with Parc my net was around £4-4.5 monthly (including the winter but obviously it varies on hours) because you type rating is a expense and helps you with tax...
CTCs version of £1200 net is, well, tight.
Also if you go to LIS / OPO on a perm, you have to be replaced so the transfer out can take a very very long time.
BCN has no contractural right to transfer. So I imagine the same game.
Also the CDG SO contract is eye watering. I found it tight living in Paris and paying off a loan on the FO contract (with sector pay). Wouldn't want to try it as an SO with no sector pay.
Bear in mind that with Parc my net was around £4-4.5 monthly (including the winter but obviously it varies on hours) because you type rating is a expense and helps you with tax...
CTCs version of £1200 net is, well, tight.
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Anybody going to a selection on 22nd? And am I correct in assuming that CTC do not have a Physics exam? Only maths, numerical reasoning and various psychometric tests.
