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I understand the sentiments of people defending this course and highlighting that if you love flying then it's fine to be paid very little.
These are a few points I would like people to consider.
Doing 100 hrs a month routinely waking up at 3am or eventually getting home at 3am after landing at 1am is hard, very hard. This has recently been compounded by the introduction of EASA FTL's that, previously I would only be allowed to do 3 early morning flights in a row, now it's 5. I can also do a SSH on day 5! Fatigue is no joke, it ages you 100 years and is dangerous for flight safety!!
Who would want to work for Wizz on this low salary if given the option between Wizz and an airline with better T's and C's and more pay (assuming same base etc). By accepting to work for such low pay you are allowing Wizz to put airlines with good conditions and pay out of business. This means that in the future you won't be able to work for a good legacy carrier in the dream job that we all aim for.
Wizz have recently reduced their hour requirements from 500 to 300 total. Why is this, struggling to recruit?
Of course everything works by supply and demand. It's up to everyone considering this career to protect your own future now. The Wizz requirement can't get much lower, if they want to expand those planes aren't going to fly themselves (yet)! The only thing they can do then is to poach pilots from other airlines and careers. The only way they can do this is by offering more money. Crew costs can be averaged at around 10% of the airlines total cost. Increase the salaries of pilots and cabin crew by a large percentage of 50% and the total cost to the airline would only be 5%, 50% of 10%. Total 15%. Obviously Wizz don't spend 10% on their crew costs so if it is 5% then a 50% salary increase would only be a total crew cost of 7.5%. They can afford that and obviously it would make a huge difference to anyone trying to service a debt, buy a house, get married, have kids, buy a car, have a holiday etc.
So effectively what i am saying is this.
Planes do not fly themselves, all of you future pilots out there reading this are key. With 110 A321 NEO aircraft potentially on order at Wizz alone they greatly need you. If their needs are so great for pilots they will be recruiting you on to a course like this, paying for your training perhaps even a salary during training. Of course this sounds mental but this was the case around 15 years ago, however if you continue to accept these diabolical terms and conditions and levels of pay then there is no future in this industry.
You are the key!
These are a few points I would like people to consider.
Doing 100 hrs a month routinely waking up at 3am or eventually getting home at 3am after landing at 1am is hard, very hard. This has recently been compounded by the introduction of EASA FTL's that, previously I would only be allowed to do 3 early morning flights in a row, now it's 5. I can also do a SSH on day 5! Fatigue is no joke, it ages you 100 years and is dangerous for flight safety!!
Who would want to work for Wizz on this low salary if given the option between Wizz and an airline with better T's and C's and more pay (assuming same base etc). By accepting to work for such low pay you are allowing Wizz to put airlines with good conditions and pay out of business. This means that in the future you won't be able to work for a good legacy carrier in the dream job that we all aim for.
Wizz have recently reduced their hour requirements from 500 to 300 total. Why is this, struggling to recruit?
Of course everything works by supply and demand. It's up to everyone considering this career to protect your own future now. The Wizz requirement can't get much lower, if they want to expand those planes aren't going to fly themselves (yet)! The only thing they can do then is to poach pilots from other airlines and careers. The only way they can do this is by offering more money. Crew costs can be averaged at around 10% of the airlines total cost. Increase the salaries of pilots and cabin crew by a large percentage of 50% and the total cost to the airline would only be 5%, 50% of 10%. Total 15%. Obviously Wizz don't spend 10% on their crew costs so if it is 5% then a 50% salary increase would only be a total crew cost of 7.5%. They can afford that and obviously it would make a huge difference to anyone trying to service a debt, buy a house, get married, have kids, buy a car, have a holiday etc.
So effectively what i am saying is this.
Planes do not fly themselves, all of you future pilots out there reading this are key. With 110 A321 NEO aircraft potentially on order at Wizz alone they greatly need you. If their needs are so great for pilots they will be recruiting you on to a course like this, paying for your training perhaps even a salary during training. Of course this sounds mental but this was the case around 15 years ago, however if you continue to accept these diabolical terms and conditions and levels of pay then there is no future in this industry.
You are the key!
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Wow, quite a bit of emotion and tension in this forum!
As I understand it, wizz will be looking to recruit people from Eastern Europe.....
Do you know what, I was going to give a reasoned debate on this issue but too many people are quick to draw from the hip and shoot down any scheme that arrives.
No it's not a great financial position to put yourself in, but what real choice to aspiring pilots have these days?
As I understand it, wizz will be looking to recruit people from Eastern Europe.....
Do you know what, I was going to give a reasoned debate on this issue but too many people are quick to draw from the hip and shoot down any scheme that arrives.
No it's not a great financial position to put yourself in, but what real choice to aspiring pilots have these days?
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No it's not a great financial position to put yourself in, but what real choice to aspiring pilots have these days?
If you're unsuccessful with these "golden" opportunities, then the next option shouldn't be running to pay your 100,000 grand IMO. If you've got the cash lying around then fair enough I guess (so much for social mobility....), but how anybody can sensibly decide to re-mortgage/gamble houses etc to join an industry as volatile as aviation is beyond me. Modular training offers opportunities such as West Atlantic's sponsorship or Jet2 Pilot Apprentice, + low-hour jobs in turboprop companies, instructor jobs etc etc. Train whilst you're in work and you will have little or no debt. At that point even if you can't get a job for a while you won't be in too bad a position. Granted it's harder, will take a lot longer and you're unlikely to get straight into the RHS of a shiny jet, but if you want it badly enough.....
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Hi Syntax
I have a question for you. Ok,you don't sound too happy with Wizz. But i guess you have already a good amount of hours on the A320. I also guess you have already tried to apply with other companies. What is your experience comcerning that? Is it still very difficult to get something else even when your are rated on the bus??
Tx fot sharing.
I have a question for you. Ok,you don't sound too happy with Wizz. But i guess you have already a good amount of hours on the A320. I also guess you have already tried to apply with other companies. What is your experience comcerning that? Is it still very difficult to get something else even when your are rated on the bus??
Tx fot sharing.
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Enjoy Easa FtL of 1000 hours with Wizz, their management and planners must have an orgasm with these new rules, do they are able to exploit their crews even more and still not needing to pay them extra!
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Don't be the idiot who accepts this scheme, let Wizz sweat and try to find PILOTS that will work for them with proper pay!
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Don't be the idiot who accepts this scheme, let Wizz sweat and try to find PILOTS that will work for them with proper pay!
By the way - you worked for Wizz Air before. So if the conditions haven't changed since long time, weren't you one of the idiots who signed the contract as well?
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Ok tx. So i understand that hours on the a320 is not saying anything and finding a new better opportunity is also a gamble. I guess that thefe are many a320 skippers outthere to find a job in europe. As i understand you already work somewhere else? Was it difficult to find something else?
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The Wizz Integrated ATPL opens on the 20th July 2015. 128,800 EUR is quoted, in the region of £90k.
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Training salary paid at begininning of TR and conditional job offer, I dont think its as bad as you make out Syntax.
Sure it's expensive but a normal CTC or OAA grad is going to be in a similar position without the conditional job offer.
EDIT : I see you are an employee Syntax so maybe I'll take your opinion with a little more weight.
Sure it's expensive but a normal CTC or OAA grad is going to be in a similar position without the conditional job offer.
EDIT : I see you are an employee Syntax so maybe I'll take your opinion with a little more weight.
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A training salary doesn't make up for the fact that you will probably need to pay around 150,000 Euros to get in and that you have a measly starting salary of 20000 euros. The fact that they wouldn't disclose the training salary amount says a lot...I'd avoid it like the plague.
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Sure it's expensive but a normal CTC or OAA grad is going to be in a similar position without the conditional job offer.
Even if you ignore the "training salary" (which will not be pretty) and assume payment holidays/savings can tide you over, 20000 euro is what you have to live on. Take off at least 12000 for loan repayments, that leaves 660 euro/month + sector pay, before tax. Put into context, you can earn that by working just over half time in any minimum wage job in the UK. Granted cost of living in Eastern Europe will be lower, with sector pay you might even be able to afford to live, but life is still going to be a struggle for years. Then there's all the "what ifs". What if interest rates go up? (they will), what if the salary is cut at some point in the future? (not unheard of in aviation), what if the cost of living increases or your circumstances change? Your salary that is already marginal at best becomes completely unsustainable.
If you have the cash to avoid a loan it might be worth a punt, the salary looks better without having to pay 1000/month for X years. But even then, if you have the money why not go for the EZY MPL or CTC Wings routes...
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Hi All,
I have been researching and reading a lot into the Wizz Air MPL and have also noticed the very obvious loop holes. As someone that wants to get into flying this does seem like a costly and, in some ways, comprehensive way of doing things. I have been trying to understand the term 'Scholarship' used on the CTC website and can't quite get my head around it. Can someone please explain, in a more explanatory, but simplistic way, how this MPL actually works?
Do they help you secure a loan? Do they pay any of the fees back to you/for you? Or is it simply, you pay the fee, are almost guaranteed a job with Wizz Air upon completion, and are then stuck on a crappy wage in order to fund the recently paid loan?
Any explanations would be helpful!
Thank you.
Danny
I have been researching and reading a lot into the Wizz Air MPL and have also noticed the very obvious loop holes. As someone that wants to get into flying this does seem like a costly and, in some ways, comprehensive way of doing things. I have been trying to understand the term 'Scholarship' used on the CTC website and can't quite get my head around it. Can someone please explain, in a more explanatory, but simplistic way, how this MPL actually works?
Do they help you secure a loan? Do they pay any of the fees back to you/for you? Or is it simply, you pay the fee, are almost guaranteed a job with Wizz Air upon completion, and are then stuck on a crappy wage in order to fund the recently paid loan?
Any explanations would be helpful!
Thank you.
Danny
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Or is it simply, you pay the fee, are almost guaranteed a job with Wizz Air upon completion, and are then stuck on a crappy wage in order to fund the recently paid loan?
CTC emailed me about the scheme yesterday. The audacity in marketing this as a "fantastic opportunity" is really something.
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ManUtd1999,
Thank you for your informative reply.
I thought this was exactly how it seemed I just didn't want to assume. Your right, the audacity to advertise this as a 'Fantastic Opportunity' is morally wrong. On a positive note it does guarantee a position within the commercial airline, but, as stated previously within this thread, that gives Wizz the ability to control these "successful cadets" as puppets!! It is a shame as this had the potential to make many aspiring pilots extremely happy, but it all comes down to the initial question... How the hell am I going to fund this?!! haha.
Thank you again for your reply.
Thank you for your informative reply.
I thought this was exactly how it seemed I just didn't want to assume. Your right, the audacity to advertise this as a 'Fantastic Opportunity' is morally wrong. On a positive note it does guarantee a position within the commercial airline, but, as stated previously within this thread, that gives Wizz the ability to control these "successful cadets" as puppets!! It is a shame as this had the potential to make many aspiring pilots extremely happy, but it all comes down to the initial question... How the hell am I going to fund this?!! haha.
Thank you again for your reply.
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Is there any need to be quite so aggressive? The 1000/month was just a guess based on schemes such as BA FPP. I am sure it could indeed be more. Rest assured that I would "do some research about economics" if I was actually thinking of applying.
Couldn't agree more. Sadly ways into the industry for people without access to large sums of money are few and far between, not helped my schemes such as this one.
It is a shame as this had the potential to make many aspiring pilots extremely happy, but it all comes down to the initial question... How the hell am I going to fund this?!! haha.
Couldn't agree more. Sadly ways into the industry for people without access to large sums of money are few and far between, not helped my schemes such as this one.
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Dont missunderstand what I am asking her as I completely agree with all negative comments around this course. But if it is "Criminal" and a really bad idea, why is CTC shining such glamorous light over the programme and making it out to be a 'Fantastic Opportunity'? And why are so many people still applying for such a financially damaging programme?