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Dude, get a life.
Where 5million Brits live abroad revealed | Daily Mail Online
The biggest increases in emigration from the UK were mostly to eastern Europe, including countries which have since joined the European Union.
Eastern Europe is not for everybody, the same as you have people, who don't want to live in Africa, people who don't want to live in Middle East, people who don't want to live in - believe it or not - UK, people who don't want to live in the USA, ... Just go where you want to go and leave people who think otherwise live their own lifes.
One final question to finish this debate, since it's obviously pretty pointless to continue - and since positive advertisement is often much better than the negative: who is your current employer, what are the requirements, conditions and where/how can we apply?
They are not even able to keep their own young people staying in their countries, because it's pretty depressing place to be for to long time, much due to their heritage of the old Soviet!
The biggest increases in emigration from the UK were mostly to eastern Europe, including countries which have since joined the European Union.
Eastern Europe is not for everybody, the same as you have people, who don't want to live in Africa, people who don't want to live in Middle East, people who don't want to live in - believe it or not - UK, people who don't want to live in the USA, ... Just go where you want to go and leave people who think otherwise live their own lifes.
One final question to finish this debate, since it's obviously pretty pointless to continue - and since positive advertisement is often much better than the negative: who is your current employer, what are the requirements, conditions and where/how can we apply?
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Changing subject a little (although I must just add to the debate above that as a teenager I toured Eastern Europe with a black friend of mine and the racism he encountered in many places was absolutely and unbelievably appalling) I received an interesting email from CTC / Wizzair a few days ago.
It was sent to people who'd showed interest in the cadet scheme, which I had. Ultimately I decided not to apply as - much as becoming a pilot is an ambition so burning that I can't really put it in words - I regard taking a £110,000 loan in exchange for a maximum FO salary of 25,000 euros as nothing short of selling myself into slavery. Oh and don't forget the best part of two years studying without a salary thrown in for good measure.
Anyway, this email offered the first 50 responders to a short survey a Wizz branded 'aspiring aviators' pack. So I answered the survey - which was three questions, essentially asking your contact details and number of hours, and that was it.
Is this a sign that they didn't find enough people for the places on offer? Mathmatically, I simply can't fathom how anyone who didn't have £100,000 lying around could ever afford to undertake the scheme - and people with money lying around tend to be very careful with it...
It was sent to people who'd showed interest in the cadet scheme, which I had. Ultimately I decided not to apply as - much as becoming a pilot is an ambition so burning that I can't really put it in words - I regard taking a £110,000 loan in exchange for a maximum FO salary of 25,000 euros as nothing short of selling myself into slavery. Oh and don't forget the best part of two years studying without a salary thrown in for good measure.
Anyway, this email offered the first 50 responders to a short survey a Wizz branded 'aspiring aviators' pack. So I answered the survey - which was three questions, essentially asking your contact details and number of hours, and that was it.
Is this a sign that they didn't find enough people for the places on offer? Mathmatically, I simply can't fathom how anyone who didn't have £100,000 lying around could ever afford to undertake the scheme - and people with money lying around tend to be very careful with it...
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I saw that too
I also received that email and wondered the same thing. I have been cautious so far and not replied to it in case they actually try contacting me. 
Does anyone have an insight about the initial course? They could just be looking for more bodies to subsidise for growth and pilots heading for the exit door.
Does anyone have an insight about the initial course? They could just be looking for more bodies to subsidise for growth and pilots heading for the exit door.
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What makes me laugh is that John Smith thinks that he's the only person in this whole world that has a choice! A lot of us Pilots are very intelligent people with degrees and previous careers to fall back on. If the terms and conditions are not suitable in the future then we will simply do something else for a living and fly for fun on the weekends!
Anyone who is considering this scheme needs to visit a therapist. The terms and conditions on offer are insane at best.
Anyone who is considering this scheme needs to visit a therapist. The terms and conditions on offer are insane at best.
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Back to the subject...: Integrated Wizz Training
Guys, that would be interesting to know how went the selections, i am curious to hear more from the Wizz wannabes... Txs!
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1) Why should Wizz (or any airline) not exploit a workforce that shows no interest in fighting back?
Thats a rational statement. All Wizz air bases are in former Soviet Union countries and their associated satellite countries. The employee - employer relationship is very different in these countries to Western Europe. As mentioned in a previous post an attempt was made to start a union in Budapest and all involved were dismissed. The rights that employees have to be represented and form a union falls far short of western standards in most of cases. Dismissing an employee is also far easier and in many cases you won't have a leg to stand on in this part of the world.
The reason that Wizz Air should treat the workforce well is because this is how you expand a business. If you treat the employees well, they will treat the customers well and keep them coming back. They will keep the AOG time low and save fuel etc. In the end having employees which care and respect a company saves far more money than having a bunch of angry, annoyed and overworked individuals who will increase your costs in all sorts of hidden ways. That extra 5 minutes on the APU, that extra bit of breaking action and those fake sickies that people throw all add up!
2) Why should Wizz (or any airline) not offer exploitative terms and conditions to new joiners when there is a never ending queue of people willing to join them?
Because the better terms and conditions generally attract the better people with more experience who are cheaper to train and generally stay longer. This is a far better business principle than constantly having to recruit and train new employees. This also allows for you to develop excellence within your organisation. If people are retained for many years they can often go on to do great things for a company. Just take a look at BA, many former Cadet entry pilots are now TRE/TRI's within the company. I doubt that any wizz cadets will be sticking around for long enough for this to happen as the terms offered are so poor that they will jump at the first opportunity.
I've had a number of employers in my lifetime and I've come to realise that bad employers will always be bad and good ones will always be good! My advice is stick to the good ones for as long as you can and avoid working for bad companies such as Wizz.
John Smith, good luck with the career change, now please get off this forum and leave it to rest of us to dish out the advice! We are only trying to help guide people in the right direction in the end!
Thats a rational statement. All Wizz air bases are in former Soviet Union countries and their associated satellite countries. The employee - employer relationship is very different in these countries to Western Europe. As mentioned in a previous post an attempt was made to start a union in Budapest and all involved were dismissed. The rights that employees have to be represented and form a union falls far short of western standards in most of cases. Dismissing an employee is also far easier and in many cases you won't have a leg to stand on in this part of the world.
The reason that Wizz Air should treat the workforce well is because this is how you expand a business. If you treat the employees well, they will treat the customers well and keep them coming back. They will keep the AOG time low and save fuel etc. In the end having employees which care and respect a company saves far more money than having a bunch of angry, annoyed and overworked individuals who will increase your costs in all sorts of hidden ways. That extra 5 minutes on the APU, that extra bit of breaking action and those fake sickies that people throw all add up!
2) Why should Wizz (or any airline) not offer exploitative terms and conditions to new joiners when there is a never ending queue of people willing to join them?
Because the better terms and conditions generally attract the better people with more experience who are cheaper to train and generally stay longer. This is a far better business principle than constantly having to recruit and train new employees. This also allows for you to develop excellence within your organisation. If people are retained for many years they can often go on to do great things for a company. Just take a look at BA, many former Cadet entry pilots are now TRE/TRI's within the company. I doubt that any wizz cadets will be sticking around for long enough for this to happen as the terms offered are so poor that they will jump at the first opportunity.
I've had a number of employers in my lifetime and I've come to realise that bad employers will always be bad and good ones will always be good! My advice is stick to the good ones for as long as you can and avoid working for bad companies such as Wizz.
John Smith, good luck with the career change, now please get off this forum and leave it to rest of us to dish out the advice! We are only trying to help guide people in the right direction in the end!
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Once again most people who are looking down on this scheme are people who have employment as a commercial airline pilot.
I have to say that I agree with Syntax, if you've got the ridiculous sum of money they insist on charging down the back of your sofa and you won't miss it then go for it. It could actually be a good opportunity to use them to get on to the ladder and move on as you say (if you're lucky!) and if you can't you have only lost pocket change.
If however, you would have to take out an enormous loan or remortgage your folks home then you really need a mental health check up! Bearing in mind your wages would only just cover the loan repayments how do you expect to have any sort of life?
You say you could move on after 3 years...what if you can't for whatever reason? You don't make the cut for other airlines or there is another recession for example? Maybe you consider these things unlikely but you can never truly know for sure. You would be stuck at Wizz, possibly living in the arse end of nowhere, no life, a mortgage sized loan, no money for yourself and possibly the threat of losing your parents home as you can't keep up with the repayments. And don't forget you need to add the training time on to the top of that 3 years so could be at least 5 years of that sh*t!
Don't get me wrong, I want to be a pilot as much as anyone on here but this scheme just isn't a viable option. To answer your question I would actually rather be looking for a job for 3 years than to even consider this scheme. At least you could have some form of a life working another job while you job hunt.
Just take the advice you've been given from the guys that are flying as they are in a much better position to give advice and you really should use this to your advantage. After all there hasn't been one Wizz pilot on here defending the company and offering counter arguments to all the negatives that have been posted about it.
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You are indeed in a very lucky position then! I guess you will be applying for the EZY MPL as well? Perhaps the Wizz MPL could work out for you as an alternative, however it still doesn't take away from the fact that the more people that accept these lousy T&Cs the more it will spread throughout the industry. That being said, I'm sure there will be an influx of people that apply to this scheme and nothing will change that so why shouldn't you use it to your advantage? Just don't complain on here in 3 years time how bad it is
Couldn't agree with you more regarding the modular route...hence that's the reason why I'm doing it that way
You are indeed in a very lucky position then! I guess you will be applying for the EZY MPL as well? Perhaps the Wizz MPL could work out for you as an alternative, however it still doesn't take away from the fact that the more people that accept these lousy T&Cs the more it will spread throughout the industry. That being said, I'm sure there will be an influx of people that apply to this scheme and nothing will change that so why shouldn't you use it to your advantage? Just don't complain on here in 3 years time how bad it is
Couldn't agree with you more regarding the modular route...hence that's the reason why I'm doing it that way
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Wizz Air at it again
It looks like Wizz Air are at it again they have just opened up two new training programmes with CTC as I suspected a few weeks ago this time they're aimed at PPL holders for more details see the CTC website. The really strange thing is during a Facebook Q&A it was revealed that they haven't even chosen candidates for their original integrated ATPL scheme which should have been done in September. CTC claimed they were waiting to hear back from Wizz Air but felt happy to go ahead with these new programmes $$$$$$$ 
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CTC WIZZ
The programmes seems to be a disaster, a lot a turning now into modular training and applying later on. Even the EZY MPL has some issues to get people onboard.... Training schools are fighting to get people in, events, roadshows, .... and wiz for sure is the last chosen programme
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Hi,
Wizz air gonna recruit ! I read it on article.
I'm looking 4 a TRA320-does anyone know an ATO ? I've seen one new not far from me in AIx en Provence de vinci aero (A320 type rating VINCI Aero). Can you advise me ?
Thnks
Wizz air gonna recruit ! I read it on article.
I'm looking 4 a TRA320-does anyone know an ATO ? I've seen one new not far from me in AIx en Provence de vinci aero (A320 type rating VINCI Aero). Can you advise me ?
Thnks
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Wizz will be forever need to be recruiting, as that's how they have structured their company, Wizz is a training company, unless you are a local from one of the countries Wizz are based in.
Has anyone applied as NTR-experienced with this lot? Not really after opinions on T&Cs but rather trying to understand how their recruitment ticks...
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I know many people that got in the last six months, all of them with experience but not typed.
From the business jet guy with 1000 or 2000 hours total to the guy with 4000 hours instruction/aerial work but no turboprop or jet time.
They are running recruitment on a weekly basis in Budapest, from what I understand.
From the business jet guy with 1000 or 2000 hours total to the guy with 4000 hours instruction/aerial work but no turboprop or jet time.
They are running recruitment on a weekly basis in Budapest, from what I understand.
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From the business jet guy with 1000 or 2000 hours total to the guy with 4000 hours instruction/aerial work but no turboprop or jet time.
What happened to the open-days? Haven't seen a venue advertised for ages...
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Open days would certainly help to get an assessment, but the last one was held in february I believe.
Apparently it doesn't hurt to have someone inside the company vouching for you, from what I have been told.
Apparently it doesn't hurt to have someone inside the company vouching for you, from what I have been told.
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Now I'm really confused
Wizz now have 3!!!! programmes open with CTC what the hell is going on??? Anyone with any kind of insight please let us know because if they haven't even picked cadet for the first programme why open it up again? BTW its an integrated ATPL!!!
BTW its an integrated ATPL!!!