CTC Qatar Wings
Joined: Jan 2008
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From: United Kingdom
Chaps just a quick two cents.
The MPL training is a fantastic experience, it will provide you with amazing Multi crew experience and scenarios in the sim that CPL/IR guys will never have exposure to. The learning curve is steep, the standards expected high and it will be a challenge (as any flight training is).
However....
The MPL is still in its infancy and there are many creases. If the worst were to happen and you face a long spell in a hold pool etc. you WILL NOT be able to fly professionally single crew and the route to being able to do so is tough and expensive, consider that when you have just spent 100,000k for that license. If you don't have a type rating you don't have a license, all those tests you pass mean absolutely squat. All of the things put in place by the CAA to allow a MPL conversion do not exist until you complete that TR. Even then only when you pass your first line check after line training will your license be derestricted from the parent airline. There will be no dispensations. Don't be suckered into doing an MPL by a flying school marketing man. Go in eyes wide open, and going in to the future I believe the MPL will be the way forward.
Don't take this as MPL Bashing or negativity toward this scheme, it's good to see Qatar opening the door, just be aware and make informed decisions. Read CAP 804 and have a back up plan.
Best of luck to all who apply, and best of luck to all those successful!
The MPL training is a fantastic experience, it will provide you with amazing Multi crew experience and scenarios in the sim that CPL/IR guys will never have exposure to. The learning curve is steep, the standards expected high and it will be a challenge (as any flight training is).
However....
The MPL is still in its infancy and there are many creases. If the worst were to happen and you face a long spell in a hold pool etc. you WILL NOT be able to fly professionally single crew and the route to being able to do so is tough and expensive, consider that when you have just spent 100,000k for that license. If you don't have a type rating you don't have a license, all those tests you pass mean absolutely squat. All of the things put in place by the CAA to allow a MPL conversion do not exist until you complete that TR. Even then only when you pass your first line check after line training will your license be derestricted from the parent airline. There will be no dispensations. Don't be suckered into doing an MPL by a flying school marketing man. Go in eyes wide open, and going in to the future I believe the MPL will be the way forward.
Don't take this as MPL Bashing or negativity toward this scheme, it's good to see Qatar opening the door, just be aware and make informed decisions. Read CAP 804 and have a back up plan.
Best of luck to all who apply, and best of luck to all those successful!
Joined: Dec 2002
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From: Europe
Does anyone have a definate yearly salary for this scheme as an F/O?
Ive searched through the literature on the CTC website but to no avail. Happen to think its slightly arrogant to ask a potential cadet to stump up 100 grand and not even mention the salary.
It means you cannot even assess whether the opportunity is a viable option, or just for wealthy individuals.
Ive searched through the literature on the CTC website but to no avail. Happen to think its slightly arrogant to ask a potential cadet to stump up 100 grand and not even mention the salary.
It means you cannot even assess whether the opportunity is a viable option, or just for wealthy individuals.
Joined: Dec 2002
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From: Europe
But they expect you to cover the cost of selection etc. without letting you know salary for the successful candidate.
It's a perfectly reasonable thing to want to know. If I have to borrow 100k from a bank it'd be more than useful to know what salary to expect to even see if it's possible to over the loan repayments.
The risk is entirely placed on the candidate, both financially an in the nature of the MPL... So yes actually, I do happen to think it's slightly arrogant.
It's a great opportunity, I'm interested to see if it's a viable option.
It's a perfectly reasonable thing to want to know. If I have to borrow 100k from a bank it'd be more than useful to know what salary to expect to even see if it's possible to over the loan repayments.
The risk is entirely placed on the candidate, both financially an in the nature of the MPL... So yes actually, I do happen to think it's slightly arrogant.
It's a great opportunity, I'm interested to see if it's a viable option.
Joined: Apr 2012
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From: The Soft South
I will repeat myself
'They give you the exact salary details within your contract BEFORE you pay anything towards the course'
They also give you figures at stage 2 and 3 selection but I can't tell you how accurate these figures are at this stage.
And the selection fee applies to EVERY course at CTC including the wings programme so of course they are going to charge for it!
'They give you the exact salary details within your contract BEFORE you pay anything towards the course'
They also give you figures at stage 2 and 3 selection but I can't tell you how accurate these figures are at this stage.
And the selection fee applies to EVERY course at CTC including the wings programme so of course they are going to charge for it!
Joined: Aug 2012
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From: Pakistan
Hello everyone! I shall be visiting CTC Academy to take my test on 13 December and would like to know which visa type should I apply for? Standard Visit Visa or any other specific type? Thanks in advance guys.
Joined: Apr 2012
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From: The Soft South
Just a heads up for anyone interested. Both the QCA exams and TR are fully convertable to EASA. You DO NOT have to re-sit all 14 exams (total BS) but you are required to do a small conversion exam.
Joined: Oct 2013
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From: Sussex, UK
BUT
- The scheme is expensive.. But i agree it's an investment.
- You don't automatically get the job at the end. Ask for legal documents from CTC to be sure of this. CTC will train your son but then he will have to do several tests (PAT) before flying for Qatar. From my understanding the pass rate is 50%. If you fail you can't retry. Correct me if I'm wrong, or if you can retry when you are from the MPL. I had the confirmation from Qatar that if a new joiner fails, he/she won't have a second chance.
So you'll be left with nothing apart from a 100K debt, since your MPL is not valid in any other airline.
- The scheme is expensive.. But i agree it's an investment.
- You don't automatically get the job at the end. Ask for legal documents from CTC to be sure of this. CTC will train your son but then he will have to do several tests (PAT) before flying for Qatar. From my understanding the pass rate is 50%. If you fail you can't retry. Correct me if I'm wrong, or if you can retry when you are from the MPL. I had the confirmation from Qatar that if a new joiner fails, he/she won't have a second chance.
So you'll be left with nothing apart from a 100K debt, since your MPL is not valid in any other airline.