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Not to USA, I'm thinking in ASIA. I think that there will be not enough asiatics for flying the airplanes ordered for Asia companies. So thats my plan. And also I'm thinking in convalidating my licence to FAA just to Fly N registered airplanes around the world.
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If you want to go to asia, best have a type and good time on it. Local governments are protecting their own, and the usual suspects are building schools out there already. You missed the boat.
Samca,
So have you applied to Asiana, Air Macau, Sri Lankan, Jetstar Hong Kong and Jetstar Japan? They are all recruiting right now either directly or through agencies.
I also beleive the airline down the road from Emirates is also taking 320 FO's at a pretty constant rate.
A guy I know personally got a job with Jetstar Singapore and he hadn't flown a bus in 3 years!
So have you applied to Asiana, Air Macau, Sri Lankan, Jetstar Hong Kong and Jetstar Japan? They are all recruiting right now either directly or through agencies.
I also beleive the airline down the road from Emirates is also taking 320 FO's at a pretty constant rate.
A guy I know personally got a job with Jetstar Singapore and he hadn't flown a bus in 3 years!
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Yeah I have applied to Jetstar Hong Kong and also to Air Macau, still waiting. Also i applied to SRiLankan and Asiana. Copa and LAN. Let see I did in December so I supose It is soon and I have to wait.
Airrival time for a pilot shortage?
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Consumer Alert: New FAA regulations could lead to pilot shortage | News - Home
Airrival time for a pilot shortage?
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Consumer Alert: New FAA regulations could lead to pilot shortage | News - Home
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The Airline Pilots Association does not agree with the prediction. They say the shortage is exaggerated.
Then there are the western pilots who can't handle the cultral change.
Then come back to find no job.
And the Headline is wrong.
It should be Consumer alert. You are now going to have to pay more for your airline ticket because the airlines have to pay the pilots a decent wage to get the to work for them.
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There are often some type ratings more in demand than others but "pilot shortage' is a general and widespread phenomenon that has never yet been seen.
There isn't a pilots shortage, there never has been a pilots shortage and I daresay there never will be one.
Get over it. Its a pipedream of jobseekers. Its a myth. It won't happen.
There isn't a pilots shortage, there never has been a pilots shortage and I daresay there never will be one.
Get over it. Its a pipedream of jobseekers. Its a myth. It won't happen.
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It seems that all of you guys know what is going on. Everywhere I look there's a headline about pilot shortage, which leads a fresh pilot like me (PPL, 80h, currently on ATPL distance learning) to thinking that there is hope. There is that story about a lot of captains retiring in the years to come, along with the new FAA regulations worsening the situation, blah 
I understand that some of you may discredit me because I am only a private pilot, for now, and not in the industry as we speak, but common sense tells me a couple of simple facts. I also know discussions like this one happen on pprune on a daily basis, but what the heck.
1. All economic booms happen after a crisis. After and IF the creators of this controlled economic mess called the recession decide that time has come to ease up a bit, there might be some hope for all of us wannabe airline pilots. So the only question is when will this happen. Maybe in a year, maybe in 5 or even 10.
2. In theory, when economies get in the expansion phase, people spend more, i.e. travel more because the media doesn't intimidate them with stories about the recession, the debt, the layouts etc. But, will airline industry ever get to the levels it was in the golden years (whichever these might be)? Someone mentioned the years ending with sixes... Never mind.
3. There will always be a shortage of competent and highly experienced pilots (captains, obviously), especially the ones that are willing to work for less money. This, I think, is the key moment here. Corporations, which are psychopathic in nature (no emotions), do not see beyond profit, and a high paying job like pilots' is no more than an unnecessary expense. To them, pilots are monkeys flyin' the damn plane. The fact that there's an army of desperate people who pay for their TR and line training, which is only adding insult to injury. This means slow but certain degradation of pilots line of work and getting these idiotic companies used to us bearing the cost. But again, desperate times call for desperate measures.
4. There is no point in having a shortage in labor force. That way the men and women have the power. The corporations know that very well, which is why we were all conditioned to believe that it is an absolute must to get a degree in something. In order to have power over workforce you must make them abundant, which is exactly the case with today's pilots.
THE POINT IS: There's more to this than we all think. As with everything in life, luck is an important factor, ant there is nothing we can do about it.
I think that a detailed analysis is beyond the scope of this post, and pretty uncalled for. Just as I write this, it makes me wonder if it's worth the money and effort. I started flying at 29 because, among other things, it was a life-long dream for me to fly an airliner, and it seemed like a nice way to make a decent living for my family (I'm a 30y old father of a 2-year old boy). I have a BSc in economics and business, but as all things today, it's pretty worthless. Listening to all of you guys does far more than discourage me to move on with my flight training. I was obviously deluded thinking there was hope to get a job.
I've just welcomed myself to the club. Cheers yall
I understand that some of you may discredit me because I am only a private pilot, for now, and not in the industry as we speak, but common sense tells me a couple of simple facts. I also know discussions like this one happen on pprune on a daily basis, but what the heck.
1. All economic booms happen after a crisis. After and IF the creators of this controlled economic mess called the recession decide that time has come to ease up a bit, there might be some hope for all of us wannabe airline pilots. So the only question is when will this happen. Maybe in a year, maybe in 5 or even 10.
2. In theory, when economies get in the expansion phase, people spend more, i.e. travel more because the media doesn't intimidate them with stories about the recession, the debt, the layouts etc. But, will airline industry ever get to the levels it was in the golden years (whichever these might be)? Someone mentioned the years ending with sixes... Never mind.
3. There will always be a shortage of competent and highly experienced pilots (captains, obviously), especially the ones that are willing to work for less money. This, I think, is the key moment here. Corporations, which are psychopathic in nature (no emotions), do not see beyond profit, and a high paying job like pilots' is no more than an unnecessary expense. To them, pilots are monkeys flyin' the damn plane. The fact that there's an army of desperate people who pay for their TR and line training, which is only adding insult to injury. This means slow but certain degradation of pilots line of work and getting these idiotic companies used to us bearing the cost. But again, desperate times call for desperate measures.
4. There is no point in having a shortage in labor force. That way the men and women have the power. The corporations know that very well, which is why we were all conditioned to believe that it is an absolute must to get a degree in something. In order to have power over workforce you must make them abundant, which is exactly the case with today's pilots.
THE POINT IS: There's more to this than we all think. As with everything in life, luck is an important factor, ant there is nothing we can do about it.
I think that a detailed analysis is beyond the scope of this post, and pretty uncalled for. Just as I write this, it makes me wonder if it's worth the money and effort. I started flying at 29 because, among other things, it was a life-long dream for me to fly an airliner, and it seemed like a nice way to make a decent living for my family (I'm a 30y old father of a 2-year old boy). I have a BSc in economics and business, but as all things today, it's pretty worthless. Listening to all of you guys does far more than discourage me to move on with my flight training. I was obviously deluded thinking there was hope to get a job.
I've just welcomed myself to the club. Cheers yall
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An interesting opinion to read:
"PILOT SHORTAGE, LIE.
I hate to stomp on the dreams of the new private pilot, but don’t you want the truth. I was a new private pilot once, and I was told the same lies. I read the same magazines, and listened to the same old timers say, “Oh, you are getting in at a great time”. That was 20 years ago, and the same magazines, and the same flight schools are pumping the same rhetoric – “The Pilot Shortage”, lol… I spent the first 10 years of my pilot career “suffering”. I worked two jobs, took loans out that I didn’t know how I was going to pay, and held on to a dream of working at a major airline job. When I got my first legacy airline job – I took a $30k pay cut, had to wait 6 months for benefits, and was on probation or a year. I didn’t have to worry about probation – I was furloughed 9 months later. I ended up like the rest of the dreamers – on the street.
If your reading this, and don’t want to read any more. I’m sorry. I am writing this because I wish someone would have told me, what I am about to tell you.
The major airlines control a major part of this economy. Think about it. Billions of dollars change hands every day, because an airliner takes flight. From the people that clean the bathrooms at the airport, to the FAA inspectors – They are all paid because of the airlines. Now think about that money. The government gets a little cut here and there, and big cut of the fuel cost. All through taxes. Its trillions of dollars a year for uncle Sam. The government will not allow these airlines to shrink or loose business.
Now, there are new regulations to be effective Jan 14th 2013 (I believe), and yes there are some retirements coming, but the airlines know this. They have been planning for years.
The airlines will continue to shrink, and merge to offset ANY pilot shortage. They will fly bigger planes, with fewer stops. This has already been seen. Look at the regionals. It was only 10-20 years ago that the regionals parked the majority of the prop aircraft and began flying 50 seat jets. Now its 70, 90, soon 100 seat jets. There are fewer flight options, more connections, and eventually higher ticket fares.
If you love flying, than I encourage you to continue flying, but don’t think its going to be an easy road where you will make a lot of money. I have been doing this for over 20 years, I work for one of the largest carriers in the world. I make less than I made as a grocery clerk for Albertson’s in 1991, and now I have a $750 a month student loan payment…"
Source: Pilot Shortage, LIE! | Airline Life and Airline Wife
"PILOT SHORTAGE, LIE.
I hate to stomp on the dreams of the new private pilot, but don’t you want the truth. I was a new private pilot once, and I was told the same lies. I read the same magazines, and listened to the same old timers say, “Oh, you are getting in at a great time”. That was 20 years ago, and the same magazines, and the same flight schools are pumping the same rhetoric – “The Pilot Shortage”, lol… I spent the first 10 years of my pilot career “suffering”. I worked two jobs, took loans out that I didn’t know how I was going to pay, and held on to a dream of working at a major airline job. When I got my first legacy airline job – I took a $30k pay cut, had to wait 6 months for benefits, and was on probation or a year. I didn’t have to worry about probation – I was furloughed 9 months later. I ended up like the rest of the dreamers – on the street.
If your reading this, and don’t want to read any more. I’m sorry. I am writing this because I wish someone would have told me, what I am about to tell you.
The major airlines control a major part of this economy. Think about it. Billions of dollars change hands every day, because an airliner takes flight. From the people that clean the bathrooms at the airport, to the FAA inspectors – They are all paid because of the airlines. Now think about that money. The government gets a little cut here and there, and big cut of the fuel cost. All through taxes. Its trillions of dollars a year for uncle Sam. The government will not allow these airlines to shrink or loose business.
Now, there are new regulations to be effective Jan 14th 2013 (I believe), and yes there are some retirements coming, but the airlines know this. They have been planning for years.
The airlines will continue to shrink, and merge to offset ANY pilot shortage. They will fly bigger planes, with fewer stops. This has already been seen. Look at the regionals. It was only 10-20 years ago that the regionals parked the majority of the prop aircraft and began flying 50 seat jets. Now its 70, 90, soon 100 seat jets. There are fewer flight options, more connections, and eventually higher ticket fares.
If you love flying, than I encourage you to continue flying, but don’t think its going to be an easy road where you will make a lot of money. I have been doing this for over 20 years, I work for one of the largest carriers in the world. I make less than I made as a grocery clerk for Albertson’s in 1991, and now I have a $750 a month student loan payment…"
Source: Pilot Shortage, LIE! | Airline Life and Airline Wife
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Job in usa are for us citizen or green card.
Job in Asia are for Asian
So if you are European, stay in Europe because nobody want these jaa certificate which are just a pain for operators.
If I had to hire pilot, I will certainly not hire European pilots. After these guys will sue my as because I didn't pay for their opc check, line training,jaa renewal certificate, easa conversion fee, eu fee, etc.... Plus type rating cost 3 times more than in the USA.
The best I could do is to transform my training department in a pay to fly training to save money.
This is why, you, guys from Europe, we have no job, because the system in Europe is a pain in the butt for everybody...
Job in Asia are for Asian
So if you are European, stay in Europe because nobody want these jaa certificate which are just a pain for operators.
If I had to hire pilot, I will certainly not hire European pilots. After these guys will sue my as because I didn't pay for their opc check, line training,jaa renewal certificate, easa conversion fee, eu fee, etc.... Plus type rating cost 3 times more than in the USA.
The best I could do is to transform my training department in a pay to fly training to save money.
This is why, you, guys from Europe, we have no job, because the system in Europe is a pain in the butt for everybody...
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Shortage of pilots
samca
I feel you are rt someway but again there are pilots growing/gainin experience (too) here and there. So, while others have more logical arguments/statistics I will be inclined towards them considering the overall picture. Give you an idea, in Bangladesh there are number of flyin schools opened up recently totallin 130-150 student pilots. Again some of the military pilots are also joinin the pool ultimately serving for comertial and private air liners. Experienced pilots serving local airliners are switchin to international carriers. Few of the posts are hired from abroad and rest are occupied by locals/expatriats. Irony is that every country in the name of SHORTAGE trainin more pilots than the industry can accommodate. While there is a shortage created for experienced ones these are being filled up by the newly experienced pilots. I think as population and their movements around the world is increased that way samaca may be rt but every day more short timers are join the world of aviators.
I would love to see samaca correct on the issue though!
I feel you are rt someway but again there are pilots growing/gainin experience (too) here and there. So, while others have more logical arguments/statistics I will be inclined towards them considering the overall picture. Give you an idea, in Bangladesh there are number of flyin schools opened up recently totallin 130-150 student pilots. Again some of the military pilots are also joinin the pool ultimately serving for comertial and private air liners. Experienced pilots serving local airliners are switchin to international carriers. Few of the posts are hired from abroad and rest are occupied by locals/expatriats. Irony is that every country in the name of SHORTAGE trainin more pilots than the industry can accommodate. While there is a shortage created for experienced ones these are being filled up by the newly experienced pilots. I think as population and their movements around the world is increased that way samaca may be rt but every day more short timers are join the world of aviators.
I would love to see samaca correct on the issue though!
