Humiliation in Canada
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To be fair, the 250hr wonder kids have proved time and time again that it is possible to go straight to the RHS of an A320.Sad but true.
Now if I could have avoided being covered in oil and god knows what under a dismantled 172 I would have done.Same goes for doing my back in humping spares about.
Always enjoy flying with career changers - they have seen how bad 'normal' jobs can be and are thus, generally,very keen.
Now if I could have avoided being covered in oil and god knows what under a dismantled 172 I would have done.Same goes for doing my back in humping spares about.
Always enjoy flying with career changers - they have seen how bad 'normal' jobs can be and are thus, generally,very keen.
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Just because a 250hr wonder can pass a A320 check ride, does not mean they deserve to be there. Modern jets are highly automated wonders of technology, but when that technology breaks down (and it does happen), they revert to becoming just airplanes again. And when unexpected things happen quickly you need to be able to stow emotion, think clearly and get the job done.
The point is that the time and effort one puts in before they are in the seat of that shinny jet for the first time does more than build character. It weeds out those who do not have the commitment to treat every aspect of their environment and team with respect. Of course slinging bags and fuelling planes does nothing for your hands and feet skills, but it does put pressure on someone to think quickly, react to the unexpected and work with a team to accomplish a common goal. It's a way for an employer to assess whether or not they should advance said person to subsequent roles with progressively greater levels of responsibility. Basically a good employer knows what we all know. Anyone with enough money can pay for all the flight training in the world, but still not have the qualities to operate a commercial aircraft safely, both in normal an abnormal situations. And there is no easy way to determine these qualities other than to witness them in action.
I spent a few years "paying my dues" in the Canadian north both in and out of the cockpit, but what I realize now is that the experience I gained there has made me a better pilot and hopefully a better person. Now that I do fly a shinny jet and all my training is in simulators, I'm very grateful that my metal has been tested in less than ideal situations (including a few inflight emergencies). Because those experiences both on the ground and in the air have given me the confidence that I will be able to react well in a bad situation, tempered with the humility that me and my team can only do our best.
Good luck to all of us, hopefully we can avoid more 37k plunges.
The point is that the time and effort one puts in before they are in the seat of that shinny jet for the first time does more than build character. It weeds out those who do not have the commitment to treat every aspect of their environment and team with respect. Of course slinging bags and fuelling planes does nothing for your hands and feet skills, but it does put pressure on someone to think quickly, react to the unexpected and work with a team to accomplish a common goal. It's a way for an employer to assess whether or not they should advance said person to subsequent roles with progressively greater levels of responsibility. Basically a good employer knows what we all know. Anyone with enough money can pay for all the flight training in the world, but still not have the qualities to operate a commercial aircraft safely, both in normal an abnormal situations. And there is no easy way to determine these qualities other than to witness them in action.
I spent a few years "paying my dues" in the Canadian north both in and out of the cockpit, but what I realize now is that the experience I gained there has made me a better pilot and hopefully a better person. Now that I do fly a shinny jet and all my training is in simulators, I'm very grateful that my metal has been tested in less than ideal situations (including a few inflight emergencies). Because those experiences both on the ground and in the air have given me the confidence that I will be able to react well in a bad situation, tempered with the humility that me and my team can only do our best.
Good luck to all of us, hopefully we can avoid more 37k plunges.
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i used to be management in an operation with Challengers and Gulfstreams, our pilots Captains and F/O's used to do such lowly things as hump baggage at 3am.
Of course, that's GA where even being in the pointy end of a 30mUSD jet cuts no slack in getting the job done.
but then flip side to that is wannabes dont go from 250 hrs to Gulfstream cockpit in one step.
Of course, that's GA where even being in the pointy end of a 30mUSD jet cuts no slack in getting the job done.
but then flip side to that is wannabes dont go from 250 hrs to Gulfstream cockpit in one step.
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hey,
To tell a bit my experience:
I did many jobs to refund my loan, and some of them was cleaning operator, I clean floors of supermarket and toilets... I had my Cpl/Ir mcc FI.
For me, it was not a humiliation at all. I just did a job to pay back my bank. And all the time I think in a positive way, I have learned things in my life. I learn how to clean, how to respect a timing, how to deal with customers, etc.
Guess what ? I start soon on A320 in Asia after 5 years of jobs like that, TR paid by my airline. I've only 700h total, in single engine piston
I don't even look at employment website, I breath again, I don't even think or read about P2F... I am proud of myself, worked hard and make contacts, no jet experience, no hours on type...everything's possible.
So, if I had to do it again ? I will do it.
Humble people, hard worker, good attitude, will make it. It's not about jobs or else...it's about personnality.
To tell a bit my experience:
I did many jobs to refund my loan, and some of them was cleaning operator, I clean floors of supermarket and toilets... I had my Cpl/Ir mcc FI.
For me, it was not a humiliation at all. I just did a job to pay back my bank. And all the time I think in a positive way, I have learned things in my life. I learn how to clean, how to respect a timing, how to deal with customers, etc.
Guess what ? I start soon on A320 in Asia after 5 years of jobs like that, TR paid by my airline. I've only 700h total, in single engine piston
I don't even look at employment website, I breath again, I don't even think or read about P2F... I am proud of myself, worked hard and make contacts, no jet experience, no hours on type...everything's possible.So, if I had to do it again ? I will do it.
Humble people, hard worker, good attitude, will make it. It's not about jobs or else...it's about personnality.
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Presume you must be a troll, or see you next Tuesday. If some of that "humiliation" resulted in the RHS, I would jump at the opportunity, as would EVERY unemployed low hour guy/girl I know..... You are talking some serious 
. There is no "entitlement" to a job.....
. There is no "entitlement" to a job.....
