LION AIR. What is the deal?
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if you dont like P2F in indonesia try...
If indonesia is not your thing... most western find it very hard to live in jkt and indonesia. it not every one cup of tea.. there is a new p2F started in UAE... A320 and any other major types of AC you like.. 
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If indonesia is not your thing... most western find it very hard to live in jkt and indonesia. it not every one cup of tea.. there is a new p2F started in UAE... A320 and any other major types of AC you like.. 
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Garuda Training Indonesian Pilots to Replace Foreigners, Avoid More Strikes
Trust me Garuda Indonesia pilots REALLY hate expats.. it just not about pay. it about keeping the airline pure indonesian pilots. Garuda pilots consider themselves as the best of the best.. Top cream. that's the mentality. By the way Malaysia Airlines is the same.
What I heard that the current expats in Garuda. are having a tough time.
Garuda Indonesia, the country’s flag carrier, has inaugurated 23 new pilots from a flight school in Bali in a bid to hire locally.
The presence of expatriate pilots recently caused a number of their Indonesian counterparts to go on strike.
Garuda said Monday that the new recruits were graduates from the Bali International Flight Academy. Demand for new aviators is growing as the airline plans to double the size of its fleet, to 154 aircraft by 2015.
“Hopefully, as more cadets finish their education by the end of this year, the role of foreign pilots will decrease and all Garuda Indonesia airplanes will be flown by Indonesian pilots,” said Emirsyah Satar, the president director of Garuda.
The new aviators are scheduled to replace the 34 foreign pilots who will finish their one-year contracts by the end of this year. Garuda has 897 permanent pilots and 43 contract pilots.
Last month, around 650 local pilots under the Garuda Pilots Union (APG) launched a 24-hour strike over wage inequality between Indonesian and foreign pilots. According to the APG, foreign pilots earn $7,200 a month, including housing benefits, compared to $5,000 for Indonesians.
The strike caused some problems for the airline, with flights being delayed between two and eight hours and at least three cancellations.
The strike was called off after about 15 hours following a meeting between the union, Garuda management and State Enterprises Minister Mustafa Abubakar.
Mustafa, who was at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport for a surprise inspection, said the disputing parties had agreed to go back to the negotiating table. It was unclear whether the new recruitment scheme was part of the agreements.
“At the moment, Garuda Indonesia is educating around 200 cadets at various flight schools in Indonesia,” Emirsyah said.
To fulfill its 200 new pilots per year plan, Garuda is working with the BIFA and the Indonesian Aviation College (STPI).
The BIFA produced 100 pilots for Garuda in four batches starting in March last year. The first two batches had begun working for Garuda as first officers, while the third batch is undergoing more testing at the Garuda Indonesia Training Center before they operate commercial planes.
The BIFA said there were 75 students currently studying at the facility who would all eventually work for the airline.
“We at the BIFA are very proud to be a part of Garuda’s transformation program in realizing its vision to become an even more competitive airline,” BIFA chairman Robby Djohan said
What I heard that the current expats in Garuda. are having a tough time.
Garuda Indonesia, the country’s flag carrier, has inaugurated 23 new pilots from a flight school in Bali in a bid to hire locally.
The presence of expatriate pilots recently caused a number of their Indonesian counterparts to go on strike.
Garuda said Monday that the new recruits were graduates from the Bali International Flight Academy. Demand for new aviators is growing as the airline plans to double the size of its fleet, to 154 aircraft by 2015.
“Hopefully, as more cadets finish their education by the end of this year, the role of foreign pilots will decrease and all Garuda Indonesia airplanes will be flown by Indonesian pilots,” said Emirsyah Satar, the president director of Garuda.
The new aviators are scheduled to replace the 34 foreign pilots who will finish their one-year contracts by the end of this year. Garuda has 897 permanent pilots and 43 contract pilots.
Last month, around 650 local pilots under the Garuda Pilots Union (APG) launched a 24-hour strike over wage inequality between Indonesian and foreign pilots. According to the APG, foreign pilots earn $7,200 a month, including housing benefits, compared to $5,000 for Indonesians.
The strike caused some problems for the airline, with flights being delayed between two and eight hours and at least three cancellations.
The strike was called off after about 15 hours following a meeting between the union, Garuda management and State Enterprises Minister Mustafa Abubakar.
Mustafa, who was at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport for a surprise inspection, said the disputing parties had agreed to go back to the negotiating table. It was unclear whether the new recruitment scheme was part of the agreements.
“At the moment, Garuda Indonesia is educating around 200 cadets at various flight schools in Indonesia,” Emirsyah said.
To fulfill its 200 new pilots per year plan, Garuda is working with the BIFA and the Indonesian Aviation College (STPI).
The BIFA produced 100 pilots for Garuda in four batches starting in March last year. The first two batches had begun working for Garuda as first officers, while the third batch is undergoing more testing at the Garuda Indonesia Training Center before they operate commercial planes.
The BIFA said there were 75 students currently studying at the facility who would all eventually work for the airline.
“We at the BIFA are very proud to be a part of Garuda’s transformation program in realizing its vision to become an even more competitive airline,” BIFA chairman Robby Djohan said
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Garuda Training Indonesian Pilots to Replace Foreigners, Avoid More Strikes
Trust me Garuda Indonesia pilots REALLY hate expats.. it just not about pay. it about keeping the airline pure indonesian pilots. Garuda pilots consider themselves as the best of the best.. Top cream. that's the mentality. By the way Malaysia Airlines is the same.
What I heard that the current expats in Garuda. are having a tough time.
Garuda Indonesia, the country’s flag carrier, has inaugurated 23 new pilots from a flight school in Bali in a bid to hire locally.
The presence of expatriate pilots recently caused a number of their Indonesian counterparts to go on strike.
Garuda said Monday that the new recruits were graduates from the Bali International Flight Academy. Demand for new aviators is growing as the airline plans to double the size of its fleet, to 154 aircraft by 2015.
“Hopefully, as more cadets finish their education by the end of this year, the role of foreign pilots will decrease and all Garuda Indonesia airplanes will be flown by Indonesian pilots,” said Emirsyah Satar, the president director of Garuda.
The new aviators are scheduled to replace the 34 foreign pilots who will finish their one-year contracts by the end of this year. Garuda has 897 permanent pilots and 43 contract pilots.
Last month, around 650 local pilots under the Garuda Pilots Union (APG) launched a 24-hour strike over wage inequality between Indonesian and foreign pilots. According to the APG, foreign pilots earn $7,200 a month, including housing benefits, compared to $5,000 for Indonesians.
The strike caused some problems for the airline, with flights being delayed between two and eight hours and at least three cancellations.
The strike was called off after about 15 hours following a meeting between the union, Garuda management and State Enterprises Minister Mustafa Abubakar.
Mustafa, who was at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport for a surprise inspection, said the disputing parties had agreed to go back to the negotiating table. It was unclear whether the new recruitment scheme was part of the agreements.
“At the moment, Garuda Indonesia is educating around 200 cadets at various flight schools in Indonesia,” Emirsyah said.
To fulfill its 200 new pilots per year plan, Garuda is working with the BIFA and the Indonesian Aviation College (STPI).
The BIFA produced 100 pilots for Garuda in four batches starting in March last year. The first two batches had begun working for Garuda as first officers, while the third batch is undergoing more testing at the Garuda Indonesia Training Center before they operate commercial planes.
The BIFA said there were 75 students currently studying at the facility who would all eventually work for the airline.
“We at the BIFA are very proud to be a part of Garuda’s transformation program in realizing its vision to become an even more competitive airline,” BIFA chairman Robby Djohan said
What I heard that the current expats in Garuda. are having a tough time.
Garuda Indonesia, the country’s flag carrier, has inaugurated 23 new pilots from a flight school in Bali in a bid to hire locally.
The presence of expatriate pilots recently caused a number of their Indonesian counterparts to go on strike.
Garuda said Monday that the new recruits were graduates from the Bali International Flight Academy. Demand for new aviators is growing as the airline plans to double the size of its fleet, to 154 aircraft by 2015.
“Hopefully, as more cadets finish their education by the end of this year, the role of foreign pilots will decrease and all Garuda Indonesia airplanes will be flown by Indonesian pilots,” said Emirsyah Satar, the president director of Garuda.
The new aviators are scheduled to replace the 34 foreign pilots who will finish their one-year contracts by the end of this year. Garuda has 897 permanent pilots and 43 contract pilots.
Last month, around 650 local pilots under the Garuda Pilots Union (APG) launched a 24-hour strike over wage inequality between Indonesian and foreign pilots. According to the APG, foreign pilots earn $7,200 a month, including housing benefits, compared to $5,000 for Indonesians.
The strike caused some problems for the airline, with flights being delayed between two and eight hours and at least three cancellations.
The strike was called off after about 15 hours following a meeting between the union, Garuda management and State Enterprises Minister Mustafa Abubakar.
Mustafa, who was at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport for a surprise inspection, said the disputing parties had agreed to go back to the negotiating table. It was unclear whether the new recruitment scheme was part of the agreements.
“At the moment, Garuda Indonesia is educating around 200 cadets at various flight schools in Indonesia,” Emirsyah said.
To fulfill its 200 new pilots per year plan, Garuda is working with the BIFA and the Indonesian Aviation College (STPI).
The BIFA produced 100 pilots for Garuda in four batches starting in March last year. The first two batches had begun working for Garuda as first officers, while the third batch is undergoing more testing at the Garuda Indonesia Training Center before they operate commercial planes.
The BIFA said there were 75 students currently studying at the facility who would all eventually work for the airline.
“We at the BIFA are very proud to be a part of Garuda’s transformation program in realizing its vision to become an even more competitive airline,” BIFA chairman Robby Djohan said
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How is this going to affect Lion Air?
If Indonesia is now able to train sufficient numbers of new pilots (who are locals), then won't Lion be forced to use them and kick out all the P2F expats?
This makes the Lion Air P2F program risky... all it takes is for one government regulator to say 'no more expats... jobs for locals only who need jobs... your work visa cancelled!
If Indonesia is now able to train sufficient numbers of new pilots (who are locals), then won't Lion be forced to use them and kick out all the P2F expats?
This makes the Lion Air P2F program risky... all it takes is for one government regulator to say 'no more expats... jobs for locals only who need jobs... your work visa cancelled!
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PosClimb, Lion Air is a private company not like Garuda.
The p2f set up has it's place and it is a win win situation for Lion and the p2f pilot.
You think an organisation that has 100's of million's is going to wait for cadets to come out of a Bali flying school? Maybe? But Garuda will have first pick. Lion does have an affiliation with a flying school in Indo and other schools in the Europe, plus brokerage firms to fly their 737's...
Lion is backed by heavy finaciers in Asia....who in return can influence governments for business reasons. Why? Well as I mentioned, Lion is a Private Company.
Lion will always have expats/p2f pilots during their growth period until they too can get their national's,
The p2f set up has it's place and it is a win win situation for Lion and the p2f pilot.
You think an organisation that has 100's of million's is going to wait for cadets to come out of a Bali flying school? Maybe? But Garuda will have first pick. Lion does have an affiliation with a flying school in Indo and other schools in the Europe, plus brokerage firms to fly their 737's...
Lion is backed by heavy finaciers in Asia....who in return can influence governments for business reasons. Why? Well as I mentioned, Lion is a Private Company.
Lion will always have expats/p2f pilots during their growth period until they too can get their national's,
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OK.. GUYS.. lion air up again with its tricks and back stabbing methods..
yesterday my friend call me who working for lion got told that the extension of contract which you recieve after 2years IF you want no longer exist..
Extension contract was cruel copy of the expat garuda pilot package....
10 weeks on 2weeks off. 5750usd per month for FO. and that about it.. hahaha.. which was much better than the local contract in lion... i guess that why the pilots was taking meth... etc.. I would too..with that pay and condtions.
Good luck in scheduling... when the next batch of CAE and eaglejet departs lion in the next few months i believe
All because there was no threat of jumping ship to garuda...no competition to get and make pilots stay.. he was told... so contract gone.. myself not jumping ship but jump out the country.
Good Luck guys... keep the faith..
yesterday my friend call me who working for lion got told that the extension of contract which you recieve after 2years IF you want no longer exist..
Extension contract was cruel copy of the expat garuda pilot package....
10 weeks on 2weeks off. 5750usd per month for FO. and that about it.. hahaha.. which was much better than the local contract in lion... i guess that why the pilots was taking meth... etc.. I would too..with that pay and condtions.
Good luck in scheduling... when the next batch of CAE and eaglejet departs lion in the next few months i believe
All because there was no threat of jumping ship to garuda...no competition to get and make pilots stay.. he was told... so contract gone.. myself not jumping ship but jump out the country.
Good Luck guys... keep the faith..
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Ok...
Lion air will NOT kick you up after your hours are up... its up to you... you can go if you want..or stay.
Eaglejet guys after 500hrs will get a 2yr contract.. if you want or leave. CAE will been given a 2 yrs upon arriving to Lion.. so after your 2yrs contract expires. you where given extension of contract.. WHICH is still happening.. but the salary and conditions are changed...
THIS is what my friend was given after his years of blood and sweat... INITIALLY....
The New Term and Conditions Policy for Extending Contract
For NG First Officer
1) Contract Period: 1 year with the possibility of extending.
2) Rostering Scheme : 10 weeks On 2 weeks Off
3) Fees: NG FO : USD 2.750 + USD 3.000 (Travel Benefits)
4) The Travel Benefits will be paid accumulative during 2 weeks off.
5) To illustrate, the break down would be:
For NG FO 1st month salary: USD 2.750
2nd month salary: USD 2.750
3rd month salary: USD 2.750 + USD 9.000 (3 X USD. 3.000)
6) The rest of items are similar as is per current company policy for expatriate pilot
NOW the conditions 1 to 4 are gone.... NO more...USD just rupiah and local conditions.. just 12days off per year... 2000usd per month basic.. fly pay i dont know...I know they fly 110+per month...
So just be careful of these cowboys.... contract can change anytime they want... to lower your conditions and salary.. But if they offer better.. forget changing contract.... you never get it.... hahah...
Lion air will NOT kick you up after your hours are up... its up to you... you can go if you want..or stay.
Eaglejet guys after 500hrs will get a 2yr contract.. if you want or leave. CAE will been given a 2 yrs upon arriving to Lion.. so after your 2yrs contract expires. you where given extension of contract.. WHICH is still happening.. but the salary and conditions are changed...
THIS is what my friend was given after his years of blood and sweat... INITIALLY....
The New Term and Conditions Policy for Extending Contract
For NG First Officer
1) Contract Period: 1 year with the possibility of extending.
2) Rostering Scheme : 10 weeks On 2 weeks Off
3) Fees: NG FO : USD 2.750 + USD 3.000 (Travel Benefits)
4) The Travel Benefits will be paid accumulative during 2 weeks off.
5) To illustrate, the break down would be:
For NG FO 1st month salary: USD 2.750
2nd month salary: USD 2.750
3rd month salary: USD 2.750 + USD 9.000 (3 X USD. 3.000)
6) The rest of items are similar as is per current company policy for expatriate pilot
NOW the conditions 1 to 4 are gone.... NO more...USD just rupiah and local conditions.. just 12days off per year... 2000usd per month basic.. fly pay i dont know...I know they fly 110+per month...
So just be careful of these cowboys.... contract can change anytime they want... to lower your conditions and salary.. But if they offer better.. forget changing contract.... you never get it.... hahah...
