BA is recruiting
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Dont forget you must also be able to go through ZFTT.
JAA requirements for ZFTT are at least 500 hours multi-crew multi pilot commercial time on aircraft >10t, hence BA's 10t requirement.
JAA requirements for ZFTT are at least 500 hours multi-crew multi pilot commercial time on aircraft >10t, hence BA's 10t requirement.
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Don't give up
I just wanted to post here to say never give up, especially now when the market does seem to be slightly improving for everyone.
This BA announcement is great news for everyone because those of us who have spent a few years on turboprops in a regional airline will now have a chance to apply for our dream job. Our seats in the regional turboprop airlines will have to be filled by people like you guys. I've spent over 4 years flying the Dash 8 as have many of my colleagues at Flybe. I think virtually FO in my base will be applying for BA and although not all of us will be lucky enough to get in a significant number will. Expect recruitment to start in airlines like Flybe very soon and in significant volumes.
I suspect that Flybe, BMI regional, Eastern, Arann and all those other first rung on the ladder airlines are about to see a significant exodus in the next 12 months or so. If rumours are to believed then BA are looking to recruit 1000 pilots in the next 5 years and that's ignoring Monarch, Virgin etc etc who are also either recruiting or about to.
I'm not sure there will ever be a real shortgage of pilots as predicted by Boeing, but this is the most positive move in the industry for a very long time.
And I too refused to pay for a type rating and was never asked to by Flybe who for all their faults have given me superb training, a reasonable salary, brilliant experience and trusted me with their almost brand new highly capable Q400's on a huge variety of routes. I really cannot recommend them highly enough as a first job and they like older guys too. Uniforms, hire cars, crew food, salaries, overnight allowances were all provided from day one and they will always have my respect for that.
As a company Flybe have more lovely E-jets coming too and to be honest some will choose to stay because of that and the fact they are expanding and that will create good opportunities for everyone.
I actually find myself applying to BA and yet feeling slightly sentimental about Flybe who gave me my first chance to fulfill my airline career dream. For some of you they will help you on your way too just as they have those of us who are here already. The past 4 years really have been great and I have learned a lot and flown with soem superb guys and gals - I really couldn't have realistically hoped for a better start than that...
I wish you all luck whoever you end up flying for and wherever you fly. I promise you this too whether your first type ends up being a Q400, a twin otter or a Saab 2000: The first day you strap in and look down that 2000 plus metre runway and push the levers forward you're going to be so thrilled you won't care it doesn't say Boeing on the side...
This BA announcement is great news for everyone because those of us who have spent a few years on turboprops in a regional airline will now have a chance to apply for our dream job. Our seats in the regional turboprop airlines will have to be filled by people like you guys. I've spent over 4 years flying the Dash 8 as have many of my colleagues at Flybe. I think virtually FO in my base will be applying for BA and although not all of us will be lucky enough to get in a significant number will. Expect recruitment to start in airlines like Flybe very soon and in significant volumes.
I suspect that Flybe, BMI regional, Eastern, Arann and all those other first rung on the ladder airlines are about to see a significant exodus in the next 12 months or so. If rumours are to believed then BA are looking to recruit 1000 pilots in the next 5 years and that's ignoring Monarch, Virgin etc etc who are also either recruiting or about to.
I'm not sure there will ever be a real shortgage of pilots as predicted by Boeing, but this is the most positive move in the industry for a very long time.
And I too refused to pay for a type rating and was never asked to by Flybe who for all their faults have given me superb training, a reasonable salary, brilliant experience and trusted me with their almost brand new highly capable Q400's on a huge variety of routes. I really cannot recommend them highly enough as a first job and they like older guys too. Uniforms, hire cars, crew food, salaries, overnight allowances were all provided from day one and they will always have my respect for that.
As a company Flybe have more lovely E-jets coming too and to be honest some will choose to stay because of that and the fact they are expanding and that will create good opportunities for everyone.
I actually find myself applying to BA and yet feeling slightly sentimental about Flybe who gave me my first chance to fulfill my airline career dream. For some of you they will help you on your way too just as they have those of us who are here already. The past 4 years really have been great and I have learned a lot and flown with soem superb guys and gals - I really couldn't have realistically hoped for a better start than that...
I wish you all luck whoever you end up flying for and wherever you fly. I promise you this too whether your first type ends up being a Q400, a twin otter or a Saab 2000: The first day you strap in and look down that 2000 plus metre runway and push the levers forward you're going to be so thrilled you won't care it doesn't say Boeing on the side...
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Amex, Sorry mate, I'll amend it to say "Hawker" 
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Jar - fcl 1:
3 required pilot experience
a pilot undertaking zftt course shall have completed, on a multi-pilot turbo-jet transport category aeroplane or on a multi-pilot turbo-prop aeroplane having a mtom of not less than 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating configuration of more than 19 passengers, at least:
(a) 1500 hours flight time or 250 route sectors if a flight simulator qualified to level cg, c or interim c is used duering the course; or
(b) 500 hours flight time or 100 route sectors if a flight simulator qualified to level dg, interim d or d is used during the course.
When a pilot is changing from a turbo-prop to a turbo-jet aeroplane or from a turbo-jet to a turbo-prop aeroplane, additional simulator training approved by the authority shall be required.
a pilot undertaking zftt course shall have completed, on a multi-pilot turbo-jet transport category aeroplane or on a multi-pilot turbo-prop aeroplane having a mtom of not less than 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating configuration of more than 19 passengers, at least:
(a) 1500 hours flight time or 250 route sectors if a flight simulator qualified to level cg, c or interim c is used duering the course; or
(b) 500 hours flight time or 100 route sectors if a flight simulator qualified to level dg, interim d or d is used during the course.
When a pilot is changing from a turbo-prop to a turbo-jet aeroplane or from a turbo-jet to a turbo-prop aeroplane, additional simulator training approved by the authority shall be required.
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I'm asking myself this question:
From the text I read : ..."a pilot undertaking zftt course shall have completed, "on a multi-pilot turbo-jet transport category aeroplane" or "on a multi-pilot turbo-prop aeroplane having a mtom of not less than 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating configuration of more than 19 passengers"....
Could this mean, either a MPA Turbo Jet (Learjet, Da10/20, Be400, XL, XLS... pilots would be happy) or a Turbo prop plane with MTOW >= 10 T or > 19 seats to be eligible for a ZFTT?
In this case, me and my colleagues from NJE on the 400 I would be really relieved
From the text I read : ..."a pilot undertaking zftt course shall have completed, "on a multi-pilot turbo-jet transport category aeroplane" or "on a multi-pilot turbo-prop aeroplane having a mtom of not less than 10 tonnes or an approved passenger seating configuration of more than 19 passengers"....
Could this mean, either a MPA Turbo Jet (Learjet, Da10/20, Be400, XL, XLS... pilots would be happy) or a Turbo prop plane with MTOW >= 10 T or > 19 seats to be eligible for a ZFTT?
In this case, me and my colleagues from NJE on the 400 I would be really relieved
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Mr B.
If you click apply the 3rd question asks "Do you hold, or can you convert your licence to, a UK Issued JAA/CAA ATPL (Full or "Frozen")?" my bold.
Dihaz
Its 500hr multi-pilot >10 T not necessarily commercial.
Regards
If you click apply the 3rd question asks "Do you hold, or can you convert your licence to, a UK Issued JAA/CAA ATPL (Full or "Frozen")?" my bold.
Dihaz
Its 500hr multi-pilot >10 T not necessarily commercial.
Regards
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binsleepen being pedantic.
By asking for 'multi-pilot' time its safe to assume that generally it will be from a commercial background. Not very many multi-pilot, non-commercial operations out there.
By asking for 'multi-pilot' time its safe to assume that generally it will be from a commercial background. Not very many multi-pilot, non-commercial operations out there.
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Dihaz,
Not being pedantic just trying to be accurate. There are lot of military or ex military pilots out there that have alot of multi-pilot time that is not commercial. After reading your post I went to re-read the BA ad as some airlines do specify commercial time in there recruitment requirements, BA does not. The difference may be small but it will make a big difference to some.
Regards
Not being pedantic just trying to be accurate. There are lot of military or ex military pilots out there that have alot of multi-pilot time that is not commercial. After reading your post I went to re-read the BA ad as some airlines do specify commercial time in there recruitment requirements, BA does not. The difference may be small but it will make a big difference to some.
Regards
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Garba51, what the FCL says is irrelevant if BA have decided "10 tonnes". However, if I were you, I'd have a good look at the BA application and see if you can make it fit.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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thanks Reddo,
Well, I had a look and therefore, I'm 3 tons below the minimums. So sad
At least it means that I read the FCL correctly
Take care and good luck
Well, I had a look and therefore, I'm 3 tons below the minimums. So sad
At least it means that I read the FCL correctly
Take care and good luck
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SpreadEagle.....
I really am sorry it didn't work out for you. Had things not gone my way I couldn't promise that I wouldn't be bitter about it so this is not a dig but.....
Saying people are way out of touch is a bit of a bold sweeping statement. I come from a normal middle class family, no hint of "Quentin" or "Cuthbert" in me, trust me! As for paying for TR's, I certainly didn't have the money to pay for one so I had to go and do some trolley dolleying and instructing until I landed a job last year on a jet where the company pay for the rating and ALL training costs with no financial input from me, just a bond for 3 years. Don't leave, Don't pay.
In short, there are opportunities out there and I don't think there are as many folks as you might think that come from wealthy backgrounds. The few that I've come across that have zero training debt, a jet job and a nice new BMW in the car park have generally suffered tragic family losses much much earlier in their lives and used their inheritence to fund their training. So don't be too quick to judge. I'd rather have my parents than my jet job any day of the week! Yes of course there are the toff's, but you find those anywhere so it's best just to worry about yourself and your circumstances, life's too short to start worrying about what the "Quentin's" and "Cuthbert's" are upto!!!
Redsnail is bang on the money about the requirements......finally someone recognising those of us doing lots of sectors but not too many hours a year. Really positive leap forward, Well done BA
I really am sorry it didn't work out for you. Had things not gone my way I couldn't promise that I wouldn't be bitter about it so this is not a dig but.....
Saying people are way out of touch is a bit of a bold sweeping statement. I come from a normal middle class family, no hint of "Quentin" or "Cuthbert" in me, trust me! As for paying for TR's, I certainly didn't have the money to pay for one so I had to go and do some trolley dolleying and instructing until I landed a job last year on a jet where the company pay for the rating and ALL training costs with no financial input from me, just a bond for 3 years. Don't leave, Don't pay.
In short, there are opportunities out there and I don't think there are as many folks as you might think that come from wealthy backgrounds. The few that I've come across that have zero training debt, a jet job and a nice new BMW in the car park have generally suffered tragic family losses much much earlier in their lives and used their inheritence to fund their training. So don't be too quick to judge. I'd rather have my parents than my jet job any day of the week! Yes of course there are the toff's, but you find those anywhere so it's best just to worry about yourself and your circumstances, life's too short to start worrying about what the "Quentin's" and "Cuthbert's" are upto!!!
Redsnail is bang on the money about the requirements......finally someone recognising those of us doing lots of sectors but not too many hours a year. Really positive leap forward, Well done BA
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Garba, thats correct. Sorry your short.
Binsleepen, I see your point. But there is a whole different job advertisement and set of requirements for the military guys - the 'Managed Path'.
Binsleepen, I see your point. But there is a whole different job advertisement and set of requirements for the military guys - the 'Managed Path'.
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I can understand SpreadEagle's disappointment that things didn't work out for him. That's unfortunate - this is a brutal industry to be in, especially during the downturns. It is a shame that his understandable bitterness has mutated into some nasty prejudices that will do him no favours at all in any industry. You are so far wide of the mark that I switched off from your posts at a fairly early stage, having abandoned hope of rational debate.
How BA opening up the recruitment doors can be interpreted as a bad thing is hard to comprehend. ANY movement in the recruiting market is good news, whether you meet the requirements or not. If you qualify, you benefit directly. If you do not yet qualify, people who do will leave opening up spaces in the career level above you, and everyone moves along one step. It is good news all round.
How BA opening up the recruitment doors can be interpreted as a bad thing is hard to comprehend. ANY movement in the recruiting market is good news, whether you meet the requirements or not. If you qualify, you benefit directly. If you do not yet qualify, people who do will leave opening up spaces in the career level above you, and everyone moves along one step. It is good news all round.
Just kidding.
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go lick their BA a.s!
now the have probably received thousand of CV, all ready to stab the next pilot for a 320 seats.
you make me
... I know, I have been one of these! a sucker!
you go nowhere with this mentality. and these people are called " professional pilot"
the good thing is these suckers will be employed, leaving seats in other airlines, and BA will have to deal with these new suckers bitching everyday because they have 500h of jet and expect to be treated like GOD..
I hate this profession! all a bunch of failure!
when you reach 65, you will count your money, captains will complain because they have to buy water for their swiming pool, 3 divorces in a row, losing houses in london or in malibu beach, and they will continue to complain, complain and complain!!!! I always hear pilot to complain, it s non stop... "i want this I want that", "me me me" bla bla... sick of it!
everytime I see a pilot, it s" I want fly this", "I want get a job in that"..."I, I, I"
what's wrong with you???
now the have probably received thousand of CV, all ready to stab the next pilot for a 320 seats.
you make me
... I know, I have been one of these! a sucker!you go nowhere with this mentality. and these people are called " professional pilot"
the good thing is these suckers will be employed, leaving seats in other airlines, and BA will have to deal with these new suckers bitching everyday because they have 500h of jet and expect to be treated like GOD..
I hate this profession! all a bunch of failure!
when you reach 65, you will count your money, captains will complain because they have to buy water for their swiming pool, 3 divorces in a row, losing houses in london or in malibu beach, and they will continue to complain, complain and complain!!!! I always hear pilot to complain, it s non stop... "i want this I want that", "me me me" bla bla... sick of it!
everytime I see a pilot, it s" I want fly this", "I want get a job in that"..."I, I, I"
what's wrong with you???
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