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Just received an invitation for easyJet MPL next stage (tests)
Hi all!
I just received an e-mail notifying me that I have advanced to the next step in the recruitment process for easyJet MPL training to start on April 4th 2012. The next stage in the recruitment process would be tests in the UK at a cost of 199£.
Does anyone out there know just how many applicants are invited to this step in the process (the first test after the initial screening)?
I just received an e-mail notifying me that I have advanced to the next step in the recruitment process for easyJet MPL training to start on April 4th 2012. The next stage in the recruitment process would be tests in the UK at a cost of 199£.
Does anyone out there know just how many applicants are invited to this step in the process (the first test after the initial screening)?
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I´ll be there on 23.11. I´ve been told to be there at 2.30 at the latest and to anticipate to be there for 5,5 hours. Will you also be taking the test?
Any information on how many people per day OAA can test in their facilities? Or on how many that applied for the easyJet MPL programme?
Any information on how many people per day OAA can test in their facilities? Or on how many that applied for the easyJet MPL programme?
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schfandrew
they pretty much had a standard rejection letter, which went on the lines of...
thanks for taking your time.....
as you aware interest in the scheme far exceeded all expectations
although you didnt succeed here we invite you to discuss training with us for one of our fATPL programs....
loo forward to seeing you at OAA soon dont hesitate to contact us for any question...
blah blah
airlines career assessment team
thanks for taking your time.....
as you aware interest in the scheme far exceeded all expectations
although you didnt succeed here we invite you to discuss training with us for one of our fATPL programs....
loo forward to seeing you at OAA soon dont hesitate to contact us for any question...
blah blah
airlines career assessment team
hope you keep on trying with other sponsorship! Keep the dream alive!! Join Date: Nov 2011
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Not too sure on the number that have applied but would estimate more than 300 at least. If the majority of those applicants have £85,000+ to hand is another question... 
They have me booked in for the day after on the 24th
Best of luck with your assessment when you go! 
They have me booked in for the day after on the 24th
Best of luck with your assessment when you go!
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Bad Luck Boe787ing. Keep going, keep trying. Dedication and perseverance!
I've been lucky - through to the second stage. The hard work starts now!
I'd be keen to know how many people have made it through to the second stage - will OAA be cashing in on as many applicants as possible?
I've been lucky - through to the second stage. The hard work starts now!
I'd be keen to know how many people have made it through to the second stage - will OAA be cashing in on as many applicants as possible?
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Good news but bad news? :/
Hello guys and girls
I have also been successful in passing to stage 2 of the selection process and I was invited in for the skills assessment and all that follows on the 21/11 no later than 8 am. Unsurprisingly I also got very excited and happy but all the excitement and motivation has gone until I read earlier posts in this thread....I really suggest all those who passed stage 1 go back and read some of the posts written by those already in the industry particularly posts by HundredPercentPlease. I understand he is already a pilot with easyJet (EZY) and he really seems to know what he is talking about. I am very reluctant now I don't know if I should attend stage 2 or just go to FTE Jerez as s self-sponsored pilot and get a decent frozen ATPL where I am not tied to any employer. It is also pointed out that you will fly 'with' EZY and NOT 'for' easyJet. So you will simply be a self-employed flexicrew pilot where you are not protected by the employee union as a normal contracted EZY pilot because you are 'self-employed'. I know some of you are thinking you will join EZY and after a few months of work try to apply to bigger airlines such as BA. This was my intention as well.....however it is impossible because the lousy MPL license you are getting is based on easyJet SOSP (Standard Operating System Procedures) and is therefore only valid within easyJet. Apparently there are currently about 500 flexicrew pilots with easyJet according to HundredPercentPlease. Not all of them are lucky to be able to get a 'real' EZY contracted pilot position as only a few are advertised.
I am not trying to ruin it for you and myself of course....I thought it would be better for us to actually know what exactly we are throwing ourselves into. I am being serious you should go back and read previous posts about this scheme and this MPL license. Do now before it's too late.
An example here on how risky the MPL actually is. I am NOT suggesting easyJet will go bankrupt but I want you to focus on the part where they explain why those MPL pilots will have difficulties in joining other companies: Downturn throws MPL pilots on scrapheap
Some of you might say: 'what is he going on about?? I don't mind staying with easyJet for years they are really good, you don't care if what they offer to customers flying with them isn't as good as what Emirates or Qatar Airways offer because at the end you are a 'pilot' in the sexy uniform with eppalautes and golden stripes'. Yes I agree, but we should be aware of what kind of pilot we will be. Someone who is forced to accept T&Cs of lower standards and benefits compared to others in the same company (EZY). Someone with random rosters and no emplyee protection. Someone who has no choice but to remain like that and probably fall into a lot of debt and the risk of your asset used to secure the loan acquired because what you are earning is less than what you contribute to as monthly repayments towards the BBVA loan.
YOU SHOULD GO BACK and read some the earlier posts and make a decision. I am still undecided now I want to discuss this with you guys who are in the same position as me now (Got invited for STAGE 2).
Looking forward for your replies. This quote below is from one of HundredPercentPlease posts. Go back and read more of it!
What frustrates me is the secondary effect of the MPL - and the whole circulatory nature of the problem.
1. The A320 is a poor place to learn to fly. The lack of dual controls make the Airbus a nasty trainer. The FO cannot follow through as the Captain does a tricky take off or landing - and likewise the Captain cannot feel and rescue a poor landing. We have already paid the price (in Lisbon) and we are chopping good guys in the base training who "cannot land". I feel sorry for them, because they may have ended up as excellent pilots, if their career path had been slightly different.
With the old route, you would do 1500 hours at one of the UKs numerous TP operators, and learn the basics. You would then have made a good Airbus pilot.
2. The more wannabes are prepared or able to pay for their first job, the more the Operators and FTOs scrabble around to take that money. Traditionally it was the FTO, now it is both. A320 TR for £35,000? Yep, that's the one you have to pay for if you want to be a contractor for eJ.
As the new FO becomes more of a profit centre than an asset, new ways are devised to up the price and reduce the cost. Upping the price is easy - "it's your only way in, son". Reducing the cost includes reducing the amount of time in expensive real aircraft. I would argue that 1500 hours is a good amount to have before you get into an Airbus. Recently we have been inundated with 250 hour pilots, and many have struggled. Safety has, without doubt, been compromised. Now with the MPL, it's 90 hours and many, including me, would say that that is too few.
I have also been successful in passing to stage 2 of the selection process and I was invited in for the skills assessment and all that follows on the 21/11 no later than 8 am. Unsurprisingly I also got very excited and happy but all the excitement and motivation has gone until I read earlier posts in this thread....I really suggest all those who passed stage 1 go back and read some of the posts written by those already in the industry particularly posts by HundredPercentPlease. I understand he is already a pilot with easyJet (EZY) and he really seems to know what he is talking about. I am very reluctant now I don't know if I should attend stage 2 or just go to FTE Jerez as s self-sponsored pilot and get a decent frozen ATPL where I am not tied to any employer. It is also pointed out that you will fly 'with' EZY and NOT 'for' easyJet. So you will simply be a self-employed flexicrew pilot where you are not protected by the employee union as a normal contracted EZY pilot because you are 'self-employed'. I know some of you are thinking you will join EZY and after a few months of work try to apply to bigger airlines such as BA. This was my intention as well.....however it is impossible because the lousy MPL license you are getting is based on easyJet SOSP (Standard Operating System Procedures) and is therefore only valid within easyJet. Apparently there are currently about 500 flexicrew pilots with easyJet according to HundredPercentPlease. Not all of them are lucky to be able to get a 'real' EZY contracted pilot position as only a few are advertised.
I am not trying to ruin it for you and myself of course....I thought it would be better for us to actually know what exactly we are throwing ourselves into. I am being serious you should go back and read previous posts about this scheme and this MPL license. Do now before it's too late.
An example here on how risky the MPL actually is. I am NOT suggesting easyJet will go bankrupt but I want you to focus on the part where they explain why those MPL pilots will have difficulties in joining other companies: Downturn throws MPL pilots on scrapheap
Some of you might say: 'what is he going on about?? I don't mind staying with easyJet for years they are really good, you don't care if what they offer to customers flying with them isn't as good as what Emirates or Qatar Airways offer because at the end you are a 'pilot' in the sexy uniform with eppalautes and golden stripes'. Yes I agree, but we should be aware of what kind of pilot we will be. Someone who is forced to accept T&Cs of lower standards and benefits compared to others in the same company (EZY). Someone with random rosters and no emplyee protection. Someone who has no choice but to remain like that and probably fall into a lot of debt and the risk of your asset used to secure the loan acquired because what you are earning is less than what you contribute to as monthly repayments towards the BBVA loan.
YOU SHOULD GO BACK and read some the earlier posts and make a decision. I am still undecided now I want to discuss this with you guys who are in the same position as me now (Got invited for STAGE 2).
Looking forward for your replies. This quote below is from one of HundredPercentPlease posts. Go back and read more of it!
What frustrates me is the secondary effect of the MPL - and the whole circulatory nature of the problem.
1. The A320 is a poor place to learn to fly. The lack of dual controls make the Airbus a nasty trainer. The FO cannot follow through as the Captain does a tricky take off or landing - and likewise the Captain cannot feel and rescue a poor landing. We have already paid the price (in Lisbon) and we are chopping good guys in the base training who "cannot land". I feel sorry for them, because they may have ended up as excellent pilots, if their career path had been slightly different.
With the old route, you would do 1500 hours at one of the UKs numerous TP operators, and learn the basics. You would then have made a good Airbus pilot.
2. The more wannabes are prepared or able to pay for their first job, the more the Operators and FTOs scrabble around to take that money. Traditionally it was the FTO, now it is both. A320 TR for £35,000? Yep, that's the one you have to pay for if you want to be a contractor for eJ.
As the new FO becomes more of a profit centre than an asset, new ways are devised to up the price and reduce the cost. Upping the price is easy - "it's your only way in, son". Reducing the cost includes reducing the amount of time in expensive real aircraft. I would argue that 1500 hours is a good amount to have before you get into an Airbus. Recently we have been inundated with 250 hour pilots, and many have struggled. Safety has, without doubt, been compromised. Now with the MPL, it's 90 hours and many, including me, would say that that is too few.
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THIS post by Bn02fly summarises EVERYTHING!
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Ok so here are my main issues with the scheme :
1. At no point is there any mention of a guaranteed job
2. It's £85,000 + Oaa accomodation at around £20,000
3. It's not an atpl until you get your command
4. It's a secured loan on a property unless you have £105k lying around
5. The whole training is based on Easyjet sops which makes it invalid elsewhere.
6. Easyjet has just reported first quarter losses of over £100m
7. Easyjets up to now massive growth rate is slowing
8. Because you can only go to Easyjet they can choose to pay you next to nothing like ctc, and let's face it why wouldn't they!
9. With no guarantee of a job you could essentially end up with no valid license. Not even a ppl!
10. You will have zero choice on where you will work, say good bye to your family's because Madrid and Paris are always short on crew.
11. Your receive an Easyjet a320 type rating again based on their seps so is it really going to be valid? Even if your license is?
12. It isn't yet Caa approved, although they guarantee to put you through an atpl if they don't accredit it that means how many more years until your online??
13. If Easyjet really wanted the best quality guys and had guaranteed jobs they would offer full sponsorship with repayments out of salary and a legally binding agreement for 10 years employment, it feels to me like they are worried that there may not be jobs so are making it risk free for themselves, and very high risk for potential candidates
14. Who's to say that when you complete that they won't choose a ctc guy over you, after-all they have a full atpl and type rating too, so essentially better qualified and are probably going to be accepting a lower pay to get the job.
People need to remember that this is a highly successful business, and they know that any press is good press, so even if this thing fails there getting publicity out of it, and the cadets are the ones taking the financial fall with potentially devastating effects.
This might be the right course for 17 year old guy or girl, who has no ties like a spouse or children, who's parents don't need to secure a loan and can give them 100k freely with no worries.
But to me that's the way the industry used to be people with money over ability. I'm not that person, I'm 21 I have a partner that I live with and the money would have to be secured on mum and dads house... But to be honest it's more than unfair for me to ask them to put their life's work on the line for a license that may not even get me a job.
Ok so here are my main issues with the scheme :
1. At no point is there any mention of a guaranteed job
2. It's £85,000 + Oaa accomodation at around £20,000
3. It's not an atpl until you get your command
4. It's a secured loan on a property unless you have £105k lying around
5. The whole training is based on Easyjet sops which makes it invalid elsewhere.
6. Easyjet has just reported first quarter losses of over £100m
7. Easyjets up to now massive growth rate is slowing
8. Because you can only go to Easyjet they can choose to pay you next to nothing like ctc, and let's face it why wouldn't they!
9. With no guarantee of a job you could essentially end up with no valid license. Not even a ppl!
10. You will have zero choice on where you will work, say good bye to your family's because Madrid and Paris are always short on crew.
11. Your receive an Easyjet a320 type rating again based on their seps so is it really going to be valid? Even if your license is?
12. It isn't yet Caa approved, although they guarantee to put you through an atpl if they don't accredit it that means how many more years until your online??
13. If Easyjet really wanted the best quality guys and had guaranteed jobs they would offer full sponsorship with repayments out of salary and a legally binding agreement for 10 years employment, it feels to me like they are worried that there may not be jobs so are making it risk free for themselves, and very high risk for potential candidates
14. Who's to say that when you complete that they won't choose a ctc guy over you, after-all they have a full atpl and type rating too, so essentially better qualified and are probably going to be accepting a lower pay to get the job.
People need to remember that this is a highly successful business, and they know that any press is good press, so even if this thing fails there getting publicity out of it, and the cadets are the ones taking the financial fall with potentially devastating effects.
This might be the right course for 17 year old guy or girl, who has no ties like a spouse or children, who's parents don't need to secure a loan and can give them 100k freely with no worries.
But to me that's the way the industry used to be people with money over ability. I'm not that person, I'm 21 I have a partner that I live with and the money would have to be secured on mum and dads house... But to be honest it's more than unfair for me to ask them to put their life's work on the line for a license that may not even get me a job.
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Hi,
I was invited to attend in the mourning on the 25th.
Are you certain that if you graduated and past type rating, Easyjet would then charge us for our line training?
correct me if i'm wrong, during line training, are we on a basic salary then after our LPC do we then start on the Hourly wage through parc aviation?
I was invited to attend in the mourning on the 25th.
Are you certain that if you graduated and past type rating, Easyjet would then charge us for our line training?
correct me if i'm wrong, during line training, are we on a basic salary then after our LPC do we then start on the Hourly wage through parc aviation?
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easyJet First Officer Programme
I just got called for an interview and skills assessment for the easyJet first officer program they were running. Anyone know what this will entail and tip for the interview?
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There are several programs that could be mistaken for each other. easyJet is currently recruiting direct entry FO's. There is a MPL program given by oxford and the normal CTC wings easyJet thing.
Which one are you talking about?
Which one are you talking about?
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OAA Easyjet Assesment
I've been invited to the assesment day with oaa. Is this day really worth going to or is it just oxford making £200 out of candidates and then selling their other courses to them. I rang them and the lady told me that they weren't definitely picking candidates out the group, just if you reach the standard. So what's the standard, it wouldn't make sense if I told you, she replied. So why have a closing date?
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Finally got a response from OAA after giving them a ring, I have been offered a place on the next stage of selection on 22nd at 11am. Apparently none of their emails had been getting through to me and I wasn't the only one so if anyone hasn't had a response yet I suggest giving them a ring as well.
Quote MattTheBhoy "I just got called for an interview and skills assessment for the easyJet first officer program they were running. Anyone know what this will entail and tip for the interview?"
As I understand it the next stage is just skills assessment with interview and group exercises left until stage 3. From previous experience with similar assessments this would be PILAP computer tests as well as basic physics and maths tests (GCSE level). I would suggest looking at practice PILAP tests online and refreshing yourself with those GCSE subjects.
Quote JamesDooley "I've been invited to the assesment day with oaa. Is this day really worth going to or is it just oxford making £200 out of candidates and then selling their other courses to them. I rang them and the lady told me that they weren't definitely picking candidates out the group, just if you reach the standard. So what's the standard, it wouldn't make sense if I told you, she replied. So why have a closing date?"
This is also what i'm now trying to decided. I don't really have a spare £200 just lying around so trying to weigh up if the chance of making it through is really worth it. Is there anyone who has decided not to attend after reading this thread?
Quote MattTheBhoy "I just got called for an interview and skills assessment for the easyJet first officer program they were running. Anyone know what this will entail and tip for the interview?"
As I understand it the next stage is just skills assessment with interview and group exercises left until stage 3. From previous experience with similar assessments this would be PILAP computer tests as well as basic physics and maths tests (GCSE level). I would suggest looking at practice PILAP tests online and refreshing yourself with those GCSE subjects.
Quote JamesDooley "I've been invited to the assesment day with oaa. Is this day really worth going to or is it just oxford making £200 out of candidates and then selling their other courses to them. I rang them and the lady told me that they weren't definitely picking candidates out the group, just if you reach the standard. So what's the standard, it wouldn't make sense if I told you, she replied. So why have a closing date?"
This is also what i'm now trying to decided. I don't really have a spare £200 just lying around so trying to weigh up if the chance of making it through is really worth it. Is there anyone who has decided not to attend after reading this thread?