Ryan calls...
Quite simply it's the truth. Like any job, just because someone meets minimum requirements for a job posting doesn't mean they'll automatically get asked for an interview. When did that become rocket science?
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Ryanair does have a process but as people have pointed out it is on a need to know basis, I can give you some hints as to why some guys have not been called, how lon ago since you finished training, where you trained, how old you are, what was your average Mark in your ATPL's etc.
All applications are screened if they all meet fr needs then the above criteria starts to get applied and those that get through all of these go forward to training department where they are looked at in more detail.
On a another note guys up for interview and sims from Feb onwards start studying as the sim checks are changing as I'm sure you all know that even guys who do the recruitment read comments on pprune and are fed up of people knowing exactly what to expect then still fail.
Hope this helps you guys,
See you soon
Hope it helps bug this is all I can tell you at the moment.
All applications are screened if they all meet fr needs then the above criteria starts to get applied and those that get through all of these go forward to training department where they are looked at in more detail.
On a another note guys up for interview and sims from Feb onwards start studying as the sim checks are changing as I'm sure you all know that even guys who do the recruitment read comments on pprune and are fed up of people knowing exactly what to expect then still fail.
Hope this helps you guys,
See you soon
Hope it helps bug this is all I can tell you at the moment.
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Dont take this the wrong way folks but I think some people need a reality check as to the sheer number of applications and CV's airlines currently receive. I work for a UK airline, a small one, we have around 20 aircraft. We currently receive over 400 CV's per week from people looking for flying job! Can you possibly comprehend the number of CV's an airline on the scale of Ryanair will receive on a weekly basis?? We're not just talking Europe wide...we're talking worldwide. There are 1000' of people all in the same boat...first time passes...200 hours in the logbook. Harsh but true im afraid.
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I think that is why airlines such as Ryanair are fairly blunt in the way they design, and phrase the wording on, their recruitment web pages... but...there are still those out there who hope the "well a CV in the mail can't hurt, afterall they might need someone at short notice and not be bothered going to the list" approach will work.
Folks I am not looking to start an argument, and the banter between me and VJW is just that, banter, but I can honestly say this:
Oxford grads have, in my experience and based on my observation, gained interviews with Ryanair within a "reasonable" period of time following their applications, which have in turn been submitted very soon after graduating. In addition I have been told, first-hand, from the mouth of the horse, without any question of hearsay, speculation, or conjecture, that an Oxford grad (integrated!) can inform the school that they have not had a call and this will be followed by OAA contacting RYR and "chasing it up".
Now, that is OAA saying that, so I am not saying that that particular phonecall ever happens, or if it does that it has any influence (in fact I hope it does not), but I am reporting what I was told...
I strongly suspect that a similar story could be relayed by a "graduate" of any other flight school.
OAA grads are not pushed by OAA staff to Ryanair, frankly they don't need to be, it's done by peer pressure and some much more subtle means like a great big list of names and the word Ryanair on a board located on the way from the "crew" room to the sims. If OAA grads are now being pushed anywhere it is Parc Aviation i.e. Easyjet, and the £35k that is payable direct to OAA, but they (we, I am one after all) are getting into RYR in large numbers.
Folks I am not looking to start an argument, and the banter between me and VJW is just that, banter, but I can honestly say this:
Oxford grads have, in my experience and based on my observation, gained interviews with Ryanair within a "reasonable" period of time following their applications, which have in turn been submitted very soon after graduating. In addition I have been told, first-hand, from the mouth of the horse, without any question of hearsay, speculation, or conjecture, that an Oxford grad (integrated!) can inform the school that they have not had a call and this will be followed by OAA contacting RYR and "chasing it up".
Now, that is OAA saying that, so I am not saying that that particular phonecall ever happens, or if it does that it has any influence (in fact I hope it does not), but I am reporting what I was told...
I strongly suspect that a similar story could be relayed by a "graduate" of any other flight school.
OAA grads are not pushed by OAA staff to Ryanair, frankly they don't need to be, it's done by peer pressure and some much more subtle means like a great big list of names and the word Ryanair on a board located on the way from the "crew" room to the sims. If OAA grads are now being pushed anywhere it is Parc Aviation i.e. Easyjet, and the £35k that is payable direct to OAA, but they (we, I am one after all) are getting into RYR in large numbers.
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None of the FOs on my Type Rating course just over a year ago went to OAA, unless you count the OAA MCC course run by SAA in Stockholm. I haven't met any former OAA FOs since then either.
However, it's a big company so there may be entire bases in Southern Europe staffed by OAA graduates!
Moreover recruitment may have changed since I was called for an assessment back in April 2009. With FR being the only recruiter for a couple of years, graduates from the expensive integrated courses throughout Europe who would otherwise have joined BA, Easy, Thomas Cook, Flybe et al turned to RYR for a job.
On the assumption that these kids are better trained, RYR probably do favour them. Funny therefore that FR have taken a completely different view on DECs! These guys have been welcomed from all around the world despite showing an unwillingness to adhere to FR's strict SOPs and having somewhat unorthodox flying skills (in comparison to FR's straight-jacketed standards).
Incidentally, I was over 30 when I applied to FR and there were other guys over 30 on the course. More recently, all the cadets that have come through my base are in their early twenties. And I've only ever seen 4 female FOs and 1 female Captain in over a year on the line. There is a definite and unexplainable bias against women, but it is an Irish company and therefore such attitudes are stuck in the 1950s...
Also I didn't have first time passes on either the CPL or IR through the modular route at a UK FTO (partialled both) and still got an interview a month after finishing the MCC. It's a bit of a lottery I'm afraid.
However, it's a big company so there may be entire bases in Southern Europe staffed by OAA graduates!
Moreover recruitment may have changed since I was called for an assessment back in April 2009. With FR being the only recruiter for a couple of years, graduates from the expensive integrated courses throughout Europe who would otherwise have joined BA, Easy, Thomas Cook, Flybe et al turned to RYR for a job.
On the assumption that these kids are better trained, RYR probably do favour them. Funny therefore that FR have taken a completely different view on DECs! These guys have been welcomed from all around the world despite showing an unwillingness to adhere to FR's strict SOPs and having somewhat unorthodox flying skills (in comparison to FR's straight-jacketed standards).
Incidentally, I was over 30 when I applied to FR and there were other guys over 30 on the course. More recently, all the cadets that have come through my base are in their early twenties. And I've only ever seen 4 female FOs and 1 female Captain in over a year on the line. There is a definite and unexplainable bias against women, but it is an Irish company and therefore such attitudes are stuck in the 1950s...
Also I didn't have first time passes on either the CPL or IR through the modular route at a UK FTO (partialled both) and still got an interview a month after finishing the MCC. It's a bit of a lottery I'm afraid.
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I dont think theres an assumption that a certain batch of new pilots are better trained having gone to a particular flight school. One of the main reasons why the likes of Ryr may approach an integrated school is that it cuts out half the vetting process for them. Its a simple solution...why bother wading through 1000's of CV's when they can go to an FTO isntead and ask
"can we have 5 out of your next batch please....oh and leave out the chumps!" Piece of piss...the school does the vetting for them.
I dont think theres an assumption that a certain batch of new pilots are better trained having gone to a particular flight school. One of the main reasons why the likes of Ryr may approach an integrated school is that it cuts out half the vetting process for them. Its a simple solution...why bother wading through 1000's of CV's when they can go to an FTO isntead and ask
"can we have 5 out of your next batch please....oh and leave out the chumps!" Piece of piss...the school does the vetting for them.
Thats so funny 
Mike,
Do you have a chump on the shoulder about this? [boom boom].
I'll get my coat...
No, honestly I take your point. I have no idea whether there is a bias against modular applicants. Certainly not from where I'm sitting,seeing as I was one and so were many of my TR peers. So the only reason for a surge in OAA chaps (not chumps) getting in would be free chump-vetting.
Do you have a chump on the shoulder about this? [boom boom].
I'll get my coat...
No, honestly I take your point. I have no idea whether there is a bias against modular applicants. Certainly not from where I'm sitting,seeing as I was one and so were many of my TR peers. So the only reason for a surge in OAA chaps (not chumps) getting in would be free chump-vetting.
Don't forget it only 'appears' that they like taking OAA grads now, as before the downturn the percentage of them applying was a lot lower. Up until a few years ago places where they would have gone having finished the training was somewhere other then RYR.
Recently they've had no choice, which again is why it appears RYR like OAA more then the next guy. People forget just how many grads OAA churns out!
Recently they've had no choice, which again is why it appears RYR like OAA more then the next guy. People forget just how many grads OAA churns out!
