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Commercial training sponsorship advice.
Could anyone help me with some greatly needed advice. I am 26 years of age and I live in West Yorkshire. I live with my partner and our two young daughters of 5 years and 15 months. For as long as I can remember I have always dreamed and wanted to become an airline pilot. Through all of my schooling and through my A Level examinations I have always driven my education in the direction needed to achieve this dream. From studying A Level Maths and Physics at sixth form college to taking private tuition (although limited financially) with flying a real aeroplane.
Up until this point, I have only been very limitedly able to further my ambition towards achieving my dream of becoming an airline pilot. Financial restraints have always to this point meant that my progression in this is so slow that I will never be able to achieve it. Earlier this summer I read an article about The Pilot Training College. Which is a college based in Waterford Ireland that offered its students upon successful completion of a mixture of aptitude testing, examinations and interviews, a placement on their integrated airline pilot training program. Where by upon completion over 14 months they would then place you with one of their partner airlines and you would then be a fully qualified and flying first officer. So I applied to them and went along to one of their very well presented open evenings at Manchester Airport. After being thoroughly impressed by their professionalism and friendly manner I was extemely delighted to be invited along to an aptitude and skills assesment day later in the month. I was then sent a very comprehensive study pack and spent the next 5 weeks putting all of my spare time and effort into learning everything and more needed for my up coming interview and assessment day.
Then in October I attended Manchester Airport for my assessment day with The Pilot Training College. After an aptitude and assessment program throughout the day, followed by interview I was over the moon to be the only candidate out of the many there that day to be offered a place on their Integrated Airline Pilot Training Program. I was even more elated to discover that not only did they want me to come and be part of their college but that although there were no places available on their course until Sept 2011, they were willing to make extra room for me to attend as early as March 2011.
So this is where I stand today. After all my hard work, I have been offered and provisionally accepted a place on the Pilot Training College's Integrated Airline Pilot Training Program. The program takes myself and my family out to Melbourne, Florida to complete the first 10 months of flying training and ground school. Upon completion the final 4 months is completed at their facility in Waterford Ireland. Once completed I will then hold a Frozen ATPL and be fully qualified and ready to apply and work for an airline as a first officer.
Here is where I am kindly asking for your help and advice. The only thing now standing in my way of achieving my dream of commercial flying is being able to secure the finance required for the training program from one of the colleges recommended lenders. As the course and living costs while training amount to around £80,000 GBP there is a certain amount of security needed for such a large loan amount. This security in the form of some equity in a home or otherwise. Unfortunately I am not a home owner and my family is not in a position financially to be able to help me with securing these funds either. So at the minute my dreams have once again stalled.
Having exhausted all of my options financially now, I am forced to look into other ways I could make my families future happen. Both for my own dreams and career aspirations, as well as providing a good financially stable future for my young family, especially for my young daughters. I would like to ask for your help. If you would be so kind as to possibly help me with some advice on how I could find potential sponsorship for the funding for my training.
I apologise for the lenght of this post but I felt that any advice given should be from someone who knows the detailed picture. Any advice that you can give would be greatly received.
Many thanks.
Up until this point, I have only been very limitedly able to further my ambition towards achieving my dream of becoming an airline pilot. Financial restraints have always to this point meant that my progression in this is so slow that I will never be able to achieve it. Earlier this summer I read an article about The Pilot Training College. Which is a college based in Waterford Ireland that offered its students upon successful completion of a mixture of aptitude testing, examinations and interviews, a placement on their integrated airline pilot training program. Where by upon completion over 14 months they would then place you with one of their partner airlines and you would then be a fully qualified and flying first officer. So I applied to them and went along to one of their very well presented open evenings at Manchester Airport. After being thoroughly impressed by their professionalism and friendly manner I was extemely delighted to be invited along to an aptitude and skills assesment day later in the month. I was then sent a very comprehensive study pack and spent the next 5 weeks putting all of my spare time and effort into learning everything and more needed for my up coming interview and assessment day.
Then in October I attended Manchester Airport for my assessment day with The Pilot Training College. After an aptitude and assessment program throughout the day, followed by interview I was over the moon to be the only candidate out of the many there that day to be offered a place on their Integrated Airline Pilot Training Program. I was even more elated to discover that not only did they want me to come and be part of their college but that although there were no places available on their course until Sept 2011, they were willing to make extra room for me to attend as early as March 2011.
So this is where I stand today. After all my hard work, I have been offered and provisionally accepted a place on the Pilot Training College's Integrated Airline Pilot Training Program. The program takes myself and my family out to Melbourne, Florida to complete the first 10 months of flying training and ground school. Upon completion the final 4 months is completed at their facility in Waterford Ireland. Once completed I will then hold a Frozen ATPL and be fully qualified and ready to apply and work for an airline as a first officer.
Here is where I am kindly asking for your help and advice. The only thing now standing in my way of achieving my dream of commercial flying is being able to secure the finance required for the training program from one of the colleges recommended lenders. As the course and living costs while training amount to around £80,000 GBP there is a certain amount of security needed for such a large loan amount. This security in the form of some equity in a home or otherwise. Unfortunately I am not a home owner and my family is not in a position financially to be able to help me with securing these funds either. So at the minute my dreams have once again stalled.
Having exhausted all of my options financially now, I am forced to look into other ways I could make my families future happen. Both for my own dreams and career aspirations, as well as providing a good financially stable future for my young family, especially for my young daughters. I would like to ask for your help. If you would be so kind as to possibly help me with some advice on how I could find potential sponsorship for the funding for my training.
I apologise for the lenght of this post but I felt that any advice given should be from someone who knows the detailed picture. Any advice that you can give would be greatly received.
Many thanks.
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Having exhausted all of my options financially now,
The reason is that once you have your (f)ATPL then you are part of a large pool of inexperienced pilots all of whom are looking for virtually non existant jobs.
The airlines want you to have a TR so you will have to spend more for this and even that is no guarantee. Paying for LR is about the only way to almost guarantee that FO job. This seems something way out of your reach and even if you did manage to get a loan to cover all of this then your debt burden and pressures on your starting salary would be punitive.
If you think that you are too old for a cadetship then your personal situation looks much more suited for the modular route: work and undertake flight training part time. Even though there are no guarantees here, at least you are not subjecting yourself to an enormous debt.
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If you want a flying career, you are likely to have to wait at the moment a couple of years after getting your (f)ATPL due to the very high numbers of low hour pilots.
If you borrow any money and do a full time course for around 2 years, you will need to find any job you can after gaining a (f)ATPL licence.
Just to give you an idea, I like lots of other people completed my (f)ATPL Licence 4 years ago and still waiting for a real flying job. As the years go by you have to continue renewaling your ratings and your class 1 medical which adds up over the years. I have spend between £10-£15K since completing my frozen atpl, by flying at least once a month , plus I kept up my ratings too. I have and will pay for a type rating tomorrow if an airline offered me a pilots job.
If you borrow any money and do a full time course for around 2 years, you will need to find any job you can after gaining a (f)ATPL licence.
Just to give you an idea, I like lots of other people completed my (f)ATPL Licence 4 years ago and still waiting for a real flying job. As the years go by you have to continue renewaling your ratings and your class 1 medical which adds up over the years. I have spend between £10-£15K since completing my frozen atpl, by flying at least once a month , plus I kept up my ratings too. I have and will pay for a type rating tomorrow if an airline offered me a pilots job.
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X13DCX...
...you don't want to hear this, and probably wont, but what do you thing PTC's real interest in you is? Do you think they operate an altruistic operation to identify, train, and provide employment for pilots?
There are hundreds, probably thousands, of unemployed pilots at the moment - experienced and inexperienced. For your daughter's sake, don't do it.
DW.
There are hundreds, probably thousands, of unemployed pilots at the moment - experienced and inexperienced. For your daughter's sake, don't do it.
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check out this website... looks not finidhed yet, but probably might help someone
Become a pilot - info about scholarships, testing process, prepare for tests
Become a pilot - info about scholarships, testing process, prepare for tests
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I'm really sorry to say, but you haven't hit the goldmine you seem to think you have. While getting on an integrated training course is an achievement, I'm afraid all it allows you to do is pay through the nose for the same training you could get for a lot cheaper modular, albeit with the potential benefit of the links your training operator has with partner airlines. There are still no guarantees, and many, many unemployed, debt-riddled pilots already in the same position you will be.
You say you want to provide a stable financial future for your family. Aviation is unfortunately not the way to do that, at least not through this route. What is your ongoing financial situation like? Could you afford to train modular part time? You don't risk your family's future that way.
You say you want to provide a stable financial future for your family. Aviation is unfortunately not the way to do that, at least not through this route. What is your ongoing financial situation like? Could you afford to train modular part time? You don't risk your family's future that way.
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X13CDX - You've been had! I'll guarantee every other sucker on the assessment was also the only person to meet the college's high and exacting requirements. The Blarney coming from their mouths verges on the criminal. I'd bet if you'd them offered cash, you'd be on a course next week.
Here's the reality. Flying is easy, if a numbskull like me (CSE Grade 1 Maths and GCE Grade B English) can do it, so can anyone. I'd also suggest that the majority of people starting a commercial flying course end with a commercial licence. There are failures, but they are few and far between. Getting a command is slightly more complicated in so much that you have do most of the work yourself and you'll use all of your previous life and flying experience to pass the course.
And here's more reality. Of those who pass the course most will NOT HAVE A JOB! They will also be typically £100,000 in debt. I'm sorry to be a party pooper, but DO NOT risk your family for a (potential) job. To my knowledge there are hundreds (maybe even thousands) of people like yourself "qualified" and able to learn to be pilots, but lacking cash/equity. But that's life. If you win Lotto, then go for it.
And here's some bad/good news: There are some guys getting their first jobs now and the lucky ones are starting on salaries like £23-24,000 per annum. And out of that, they having to live (often away from home) AND pay off debts of £100,000. And that leaves how much for your family?
I know this is not what you want to hear, but believe me your family should be your first priority and borrowing money you won't be able to afford to repay and ending up en-employed will not help them one little bit.
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Here's the reality. Flying is easy, if a numbskull like me (CSE Grade 1 Maths and GCE Grade B English) can do it, so can anyone. I'd also suggest that the majority of people starting a commercial flying course end with a commercial licence. There are failures, but they are few and far between. Getting a command is slightly more complicated in so much that you have do most of the work yourself and you'll use all of your previous life and flying experience to pass the course.
And here's more reality. Of those who pass the course most will NOT HAVE A JOB! They will also be typically £100,000 in debt. I'm sorry to be a party pooper, but DO NOT risk your family for a (potential) job. To my knowledge there are hundreds (maybe even thousands) of people like yourself "qualified" and able to learn to be pilots, but lacking cash/equity. But that's life. If you win Lotto, then go for it.
And here's some bad/good news: There are some guys getting their first jobs now and the lucky ones are starting on salaries like £23-24,000 per annum. And out of that, they having to live (often away from home) AND pay off debts of £100,000. And that leaves how much for your family?
I know this is not what you want to hear, but believe me your family should be your first priority and borrowing money you won't be able to afford to repay and ending up en-employed will not help them one little bit.
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Flying is Easy!
Hey, Piltdown Man. You are right about this chap being duped, but not about flying being so easy. Care do do my recurrent sim next week for me? I find it a challenge, and I've done loads. Line flying is easier, granted, but not always.
Trouble is, a lot of folk, like our cabin crew and pax also think flying is easy. And so do our management. This message doesn't help our cause one bit. It sends out the wrong signal. (Perhaps flying is easy for you? I can accept that)
Trouble is, a lot of folk, like our cabin crew and pax also think flying is easy. And so do our management. This message doesn't help our cause one bit. It sends out the wrong signal. (Perhaps flying is easy for you? I can accept that)
X13cdx - A Blessed Opportunity For Me And You!!
Hi X13CDX, I think I may be able to help you.
I too have been yearning to gain an fATPL all my life, and last week I came across a golden opportunity to achive MY dreams...
I got a letter from a businessman called Mr Ngomo Gbagbo, he is head of a large insurance firm somewhere in Africa...I think it may have been Lagos? This man knows where 500 000 US DOLLARS of his late father's fortune has been lost within the financial department of his company, but due to his country's inheritance law, Mr Gbagbo cannot claim it unless he pays an initial deposit of 500 US DOLLARS to the government to secure the funds.
I am going to sign a contract with this chap (I'm no fool - it's best to get everything in writing first!), then I am planning to send him a cashiers' cheque to help him secure these funds. After which he will share one third of this money with me = 166 THOUSAND US DOLLARS!
Do you want in on this golden opportunity with me?
I think this plan has equal value with, and as much chance of success as any Integrated Airline Pilot Training Program that is on offer out there today?!!?!
Do let me know what you think.
Cheers,
TR.
I too have been yearning to gain an fATPL all my life, and last week I came across a golden opportunity to achive MY dreams...
I got a letter from a businessman called Mr Ngomo Gbagbo, he is head of a large insurance firm somewhere in Africa...I think it may have been Lagos? This man knows where 500 000 US DOLLARS of his late father's fortune has been lost within the financial department of his company, but due to his country's inheritance law, Mr Gbagbo cannot claim it unless he pays an initial deposit of 500 US DOLLARS to the government to secure the funds.
I am going to sign a contract with this chap (I'm no fool - it's best to get everything in writing first!), then I am planning to send him a cashiers' cheque to help him secure these funds. After which he will share one third of this money with me = 166 THOUSAND US DOLLARS!
Do you want in on this golden opportunity with me?
I think this plan has equal value with, and as much chance of success as any Integrated Airline Pilot Training Program that is on offer out there today?!!?!
Do let me know what you think.
Cheers,
TR.
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Slight thread creep, but flying is easy. It's operating an aircraft that's difficult. And even harder than that is operating a broken one. Just so long as 1. Pilots are a legal requirement and 2. Foul-ups are expensive we'll still be needed and paid what we are. And only when training becomes cheap do we have to about management or cabin cabin crew. As for sim. checks, the more you do, the easier they become - provided of course you do the appropriate preparation. It's the medical that's starting to worry me - something else that is not considered by management and cabin crew.
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