easy kicked me out !!!
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you could pay an other airline to do 500 more hours! sounds good to me.
More seriously, what were you expecting? It is a big business, if they made profit out of you, they will make profit out of the guy who took your seat! Not if they would have kept you!
More seriously, what were you expecting? It is a big business, if they made profit out of you, they will make profit out of the guy who took your seat! Not if they would have kept you!
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If you were not on a self-employment contract, try consulting with a lawyer.
If you can sue and win, you get your money back and these horrible schemes will have to disappear, so you do all of us a great favour.
What was the reason they fired you?
If you can sue and win, you get your money back and these horrible schemes will have to disappear, so you do all of us a great favour.
What was the reason they fired you?
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Yes, this guy must be trolling, but for the benefit of anyone who might be taking this seriously, here is the pivotal fact:
Read it again. 'I paid line [for] line training'. Got that - paid for line training. You got your line training and now the deal's over. Finished. Over. Complete. In accordance with whatever crappy little paid for line training contract you signed. What were you expecting, a bunch of flowers? (I know the answer - you were expecting an employment contract to appear out of nowhere.)
Speculative pay to train schemes are suicidal.
Don't pay for a type rating unless you have a rock solid job at the end of it.
Don't pay for line training at all.
Simples.
I paid line training with them
Speculative pay to train schemes are suicidal.
Don't pay for a type rating unless you have a rock solid job at the end of it.
Don't pay for line training at all.
Simples.
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Reality check time?
1 He was NOT fired!
2 Fly Antonov.. why is your standard advice on all these issues to sue?
(Do you really think that your expertise in English employment/contract law exceeds that of the lawyers who write easyJet's contracts?)
3 The odd law-suit will not eliminate SSTR and bonding schemes...sorry! bm
2 Fly Antonov.. why is your standard advice on all these issues to sue?
(Do you really think that your expertise in English employment/contract law exceeds that of the lawyers who write easyJet's contracts?)
3 The odd law-suit will not eliminate SSTR and bonding schemes...sorry! bm
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Bm, yes it makes sense, unless if he had an employee status.
You can' t get line training under a trainee status (must be non revenue) and the self-employed status is not an obvious one to cover.
If he didn' t get fired, his contract must have expired. His contract may have been an illegal one.
Consult with your lawyer. If you had money to spend on line training, you can afford the consult.
You can' t get line training under a trainee status (must be non revenue) and the self-employed status is not an obvious one to cover.
If he didn' t get fired, his contract must have expired. His contract may have been an illegal one.
Consult with your lawyer. If you had money to spend on line training, you can afford the consult.
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OK Fly Antonov..
... I'll reply to your points and then walk.
1: Is prototype flyer being honest? Er..I doubt it!
2: Was he directly employed by Easy? Er... almost certainly not.
3: Was he fired? No!
4: Did he have a contract? Maybe a fixed-term contract.
5: Does he have grounds for litigation? Don't make me laugh!
Now, before pushing your argument further, maybe you'd list all of your qualifications and experience in English law... and the airline industry?
bm
1: Is prototype flyer being honest? Er..I doubt it!
2: Was he directly employed by Easy? Er... almost certainly not.
3: Was he fired? No!
4: Did he have a contract? Maybe a fixed-term contract.
5: Does he have grounds for litigation? Don't make me laugh!
Now, before pushing your argument further, maybe you'd list all of your qualifications and experience in English law... and the airline industry?
bm
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I would suggest everyone ignores this post..look at the post by this guy/girl/muppet yesterday:
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yeah, wanabes worth nothing...after graduation, they feel they have to by rating +line traning.because they suck!
their CPL license worth nothing, just good to pay another 30k and be out of job...
if momy and dady were not here, they wouldn't do their license...they are just lazy.
all these idiots in integrated are just dady & momy sucker who don't want work and want stay at home, saying " booouuuhhhh, nobody want me, I have to pay for 500h, boouuuuh, please dady, give me 30 grant so I can go fly, bouhhhh".
and momy and dady are even more idiots, they give their house to get a loan, knowing their little bastard of called "pilot" will eventually never get a job...
go to uni, get a proper job, and go work!
when there will be a crash in london, who this stupid government is going to blame???? wanabe, airline, CAA, bank, or dady and momy?
All the posts are over the past few days and my guess this is a complete load of BollXX and a wind up, could the mods remove this nonsense! and allow real pilots to participate in balanced debates..this kind of rubbish just devalues the whole site. The " Author" should get back to their homework before their parents catch them playing on the computer
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yeah, wanabes worth nothing...after graduation, they feel they have to by rating +line traning.because they suck!
their CPL license worth nothing, just good to pay another 30k and be out of job...
if momy and dady were not here, they wouldn't do their license...they are just lazy.
all these idiots in integrated are just dady & momy sucker who don't want work and want stay at home, saying " booouuuhhhh, nobody want me, I have to pay for 500h, boouuuuh, please dady, give me 30 grant so I can go fly, bouhhhh".
and momy and dady are even more idiots, they give their house to get a loan, knowing their little bastard of called "pilot" will eventually never get a job...
go to uni, get a proper job, and go work!
when there will be a crash in london, who this stupid government is going to blame???? wanabe, airline, CAA, bank, or dady and momy?
All the posts are over the past few days and my guess this is a complete load of BollXX and a wind up, could the mods remove this nonsense! and allow real pilots to participate in balanced debates..this kind of rubbish just devalues the whole site. The " Author" should get back to their homework before their parents catch them playing on the computer
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I would also bet my life, that this guy has never been on the controls of an Airbus, probably not even a car Lol!!! Please just don't reply to nonsense like this
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Let' s lay some options for bored, desperate but not cash-limited jobless P2F' s simulated by the thread starter.
It would be interesting if one of them sues just to see if he can get his 50K back. All the rest could follow suit. It could be very interesting to see that happen, just to see how supportive the courts would be.
P2F' s get 50K each back, airlines reimburse a few millions, pay fines. Back to normal life, without P2F.
It' s viable.
It would be interesting if one of them sues just to see if he can get his 50K back. All the rest could follow suit. It could be very interesting to see that happen, just to see how supportive the courts would be.
P2F' s get 50K each back, airlines reimburse a few millions, pay fines. Back to normal life, without P2F.
It' s viable.
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Fly antonov,
If your so mad to sue why dont you go on a pay to fly scheme yourself and sue them and see what happens instread of telling everyone else what to do.
BoeingMEL I agree!
Anyways the original post if obviously fake if you read back over the guy/gals previous posts
If your so mad to sue why dont you go on a pay to fly scheme yourself and sue them and see what happens instread of telling everyone else what to do.
BoeingMEL I agree!
Anyways the original post if obviously fake if you read back over the guy/gals previous posts
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Maybe you could sue the likes of Eaglejet.
Now lets see, you live in the Uk, Eagle jet are in Florida and your training airline is in Morocco (b737 @RAM).
Where do you start?
Do you have any idea how much it costs to get this to court?
Where is your argument? you willingly signed a agreement stating you would get to fly as a FO for a set amount of money.
Have you ever thought about the reality of suing a US company in the US, the cost of mealy instructing a Attorney must be astronomical?
So you get to court, in the US, then what, you had a choice not to do this, therefore you have no right to sue.
If you paid for a service and received it then why would you sue?
I don't think for one second a foreign national would get anywhere.
So sue in Morocco....Good luck you will need it.
I work there, not on P2fly, but for a competitor of RAM's.
Whether or not this thing is illegal, immoral or just plain wrong is debatable, but to even suggest somebody should try to sue is a stupid one. Where are they going to get the money? The airlines could keep it out of court for years and years, until the poor soul is bankrupt.
If you win how do you enforce payment from Eaglejet, he could just go underground for a while. RAM could pay you in Morocco Dirhams, not much use outside of Morocco, not transferable its a closed currency.
If you really are intent on stopping these sorts of schemes then I suggest you start lobbying ICAO, they ultimately are the govening body.
Now lets see, you live in the Uk, Eagle jet are in Florida and your training airline is in Morocco (b737 @RAM).
Where do you start?
Do you have any idea how much it costs to get this to court?
Where is your argument? you willingly signed a agreement stating you would get to fly as a FO for a set amount of money.
Have you ever thought about the reality of suing a US company in the US, the cost of mealy instructing a Attorney must be astronomical?
So you get to court, in the US, then what, you had a choice not to do this, therefore you have no right to sue.
If you paid for a service and received it then why would you sue?
I don't think for one second a foreign national would get anywhere.
So sue in Morocco....Good luck you will need it.
I work there, not on P2fly, but for a competitor of RAM's.
Whether or not this thing is illegal, immoral or just plain wrong is debatable, but to even suggest somebody should try to sue is a stupid one. Where are they going to get the money? The airlines could keep it out of court for years and years, until the poor soul is bankrupt.
If you win how do you enforce payment from Eaglejet, he could just go underground for a while. RAM could pay you in Morocco Dirhams, not much use outside of Morocco, not transferable its a closed currency.
If you really are intent on stopping these sorts of schemes then I suggest you start lobbying ICAO, they ultimately are the govening body.
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hi, it's me again!
I am not a troll, but I want be sure my bad experience is a lesson to all of you.I am not ashamed of what happened to me...and please read that as a warning!
I have been "enrolled" in one of these P2F scheme believing I will be hired after my 500h. I paid for type rating + line training (75+ around 500h)
I have never been paid, and now I am out of business with no job...
I looked around for a job, everywhere I go, I find the same deal: P2F.
Yesterday the bank called my mom and dad(been late for payment) and they told me they will take their house If I don't pay them in time.
for 6 months, I had to sleep in my car. I ate **** food, lack of vitamins and sleep...I was like a zombie in the plane. My parents are very worry about me and their house!They have problems to sleep and so do I.
don't prostitute yourself!
I thought I will get a nice job and that the airline will keep me. No, they used me...I am an idiot! After being at FL350, now I am back at FL001...
The CAA don't want recognize my hours, they say it's illegal hours, and to recognize my hours, I must be employed and BE PAID! now it's like if I had only the type rating and 0 hours
I am not a troll, but I want be sure my bad experience is a lesson to all of you.I am not ashamed of what happened to me...and please read that as a warning!
I have been "enrolled" in one of these P2F scheme believing I will be hired after my 500h. I paid for type rating + line training (75+ around 500h)
I have never been paid, and now I am out of business with no job...
I looked around for a job, everywhere I go, I find the same deal: P2F.
Yesterday the bank called my mom and dad(been late for payment) and they told me they will take their house If I don't pay them in time.
for 6 months, I had to sleep in my car. I ate **** food, lack of vitamins and sleep...I was like a zombie in the plane. My parents are very worry about me and their house!They have problems to sleep and so do I.
don't prostitute yourself!
I thought I will get a nice job and that the airline will keep me. No, they used me...I am an idiot! After being at FL350, now I am back at FL001...
The CAA don't want recognize my hours, they say it's illegal hours, and to recognize my hours, I must be employed and BE PAID! now it's like if I had only the type rating and 0 hours