Who has decided to give up recently, and how much money have you wasted?
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@helldog you're absolutely right! The thing is even in GA, instructing and 3rd world countries there are no flying jobs at the moment, especially not for low hour guys...
At the moment the situation is basically this: "Either pay to fly or don't fly at all...". Maybe there are very few lucky exceptions. But this is the general situation for everyone holding a frozen ATPL with no experience....
And even now there are still loads of people training
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At the moment the situation is basically this: "Either pay to fly or don't fly at all...". Maybe there are very few lucky exceptions. But this is the general situation for everyone holding a frozen ATPL with no experience....
And even now there are still loads of people training
cheers
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Come over to SA and experience real life!
Every day there is at least one post in one section or another about a European (mainly British) pilot who feels hard done by the system and decides to head over to South Africa, Botswana or Namibia to put daddy's money to good use.
He then takes a job that local pilots have worked their rear ends off for (some 1000hrs+ and turbine experience) and he feels like the cat that got the cream.
Generally he has come through one of the integrated courses at a 'fine' institution, believing every lie they fed him, spent most of daddy's money, then fell flat on his face after qualification.
I started training for my CPL/ME IR during the recession, but do I regret it? No ways. I have that little blue book and 3 stripes that I've worked hard for for the past 7 years!
My advice to the integrated whingers? Be grateful for what you have been given and have achieved, sit tight, and most of all don't come over here and steal our jobs!
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He then takes a job that local pilots have worked their rear ends off for (some 1000hrs+ and turbine experience) and he feels like the cat that got the cream.
Generally he has come through one of the integrated courses at a 'fine' institution, believing every lie they fed him, spent most of daddy's money, then fell flat on his face after qualification.
I started training for my CPL/ME IR during the recession, but do I regret it? No ways. I have that little blue book and 3 stripes that I've worked hard for for the past 7 years!
My advice to the integrated whingers? Be grateful for what you have been given and have achieved, sit tight, and most of all don't come over here and steal our jobs!
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747TDR, you could equally criticise your very own South African employers for employing Europeans in the first place. Just because some of us ask for the job, doesn't mean your employers have to employ us.
You don't ask, you don't get.
You don't ask, you don't get.
Well, hopefully if we all abide by 747's words of wisdom we can all rest easy in the sure and safe knowledge that any upturn in the future back here in the UK will be minus 747's name on any employers payroll !! 
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It's just food for thought guys. If you wanna take offense to it, go ahead. This is a forum after all.
I just believe that there has to some kind of order prevalent with regards to the workings of things, both here in the UK. We are all pilots and we have all made similar sacrifices. In times like these the most we have is each other to rant to about jobs and the like, as only our own kind knows.
It's fair to say that most of us do, or will, operate in an international climate. It;s therefore not my intention to attack one's nationality. I would have the same feelings to an American, an Aussie or whoever else might come along after running out of luck in his own country.
Fair is fair. Or fair is what we make it out to be. Have it your own way.
I just believe that there has to some kind of order prevalent with regards to the workings of things, both here in the UK. We are all pilots and we have all made similar sacrifices. In times like these the most we have is each other to rant to about jobs and the like, as only our own kind knows.
It's fair to say that most of us do, or will, operate in an international climate. It;s therefore not my intention to attack one's nationality. I would have the same feelings to an American, an Aussie or whoever else might come along after running out of luck in his own country.
Fair is fair. Or fair is what we make it out to be. Have it your own way.
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Your earlier post promotes and stinks of discrimination. Dress it up whatever way you like. Anyone has the right to a job anywhere providing they have the necessary qualifications and the right to live and work in that location. I know a couple of Irish modular integrated guys that did not pass the selection at FR. I also know an awful lot of integrated guys from all parts of the world(including South Afica) that did. I don't tell them to stop taking my fellow country mens jobs. The reason being, my company is an equal opportunities employer. Like every company should be.
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Ha ha dont make me laugh! I suspect that your equal opportunities employer is the usual suspect over there in Ireland. So whats equal about only employing low hour wannabees and blocking experienced fos eh?
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The term 'equal opportunities' covers the discrimination of, or proactive action for, a wide variety of minority groups, all of which must be included when equal opportunities are being considered. It is defined within the Scotland Act 1998 as 'the prevention, elimination or regulation of discrimination between persons on grounds of sex or marital status, on racial grounds, or on grounds of disability, age, sexual orientation, language or social origin, or of other personal attributes, including beliefs or opinions, such as religious beliefs or political opinions'
Hmmm and thats the definition copied and pasted. Hope this helps Shaun.
I apologise for making you laugh.
Hmmm and thats the definition copied and pasted. Hope this helps Shaun.
I apologise for making you laugh.
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Well, I'm 'giving up', although I wouldn't call it that.
I've thought long and hard about it over recent months, taking lots of things into consideration, and I've decided not to pursue a flying career. However, these things are not exclusively related to the current market conditions and are thus somewhat more personal and specific to my own situation. My own circumstances have changed and so have my priorities and as such I cannot justify spending tens of thousands of pounds training for a job for which my passion has diminished, which will require me to be as good as globally mobile to chase that elusive first job which isn't guaranteed, and require me to drag my new family to wherever I am required to go. It makes no sense to me anymore. It is not a logical career path for me now.
I must admit that after my soul-searching I realised that a large part of my desire to be a professional pilot was the ego boost it would give me, the status, and the potentially good salary. It has taken me time to grow up and realise this is not all life is about. However, I love to fly and will maintain my PPL. Even if I won the lottery tomorrow, I would go no further than an FI rating and teach at local clubs.
Sadly, I have placed most of my eggs in the one basket with regards to my career. As such, I'm not really sure what I'm going to do now. Everything I have done for the last 5-6 years (inc. 3 year degree) has been viewed as temporary employment, as a stop-gap on the long path modular to a career in the airlines. I slowed everything down as much as possible when the economy started going pear-shaped, stretching groundschool deadlines as far as possible. My degree is aviation related, but I have no core knowledge or training in any other field. I am interested in so many things but passionate about not a lot, so I feel a little stuck.
I have my PPL, I've done ATPL groundschool and hour building, so I've spent a good sum already, but I'm getting out before I go past the point of no return by shelling out for CPL/IR/MCC. To be honest, I feel quite relieved that for the next decade I won't have massive loan repayments hanging over my head, on top of a mortgage and everything else. And, what I have saved as a lump sum for training has now suddenly been freed up for something else.
The 'current economic climate' has only helped my decision, perhaps forced my hand a little. I feel quite frightened for my friends that are already deeply in the hole with no prospects, but I hope they make it.
I'm going to bow out gracefully on my own terms, and although I feel disappointed, I hope I won't regret it, besides feeling really quite happy about the decision believing it is the correct thing to do.
I've thought long and hard about it over recent months, taking lots of things into consideration, and I've decided not to pursue a flying career. However, these things are not exclusively related to the current market conditions and are thus somewhat more personal and specific to my own situation. My own circumstances have changed and so have my priorities and as such I cannot justify spending tens of thousands of pounds training for a job for which my passion has diminished, which will require me to be as good as globally mobile to chase that elusive first job which isn't guaranteed, and require me to drag my new family to wherever I am required to go. It makes no sense to me anymore. It is not a logical career path for me now.
I must admit that after my soul-searching I realised that a large part of my desire to be a professional pilot was the ego boost it would give me, the status, and the potentially good salary. It has taken me time to grow up and realise this is not all life is about. However, I love to fly and will maintain my PPL. Even if I won the lottery tomorrow, I would go no further than an FI rating and teach at local clubs.
Sadly, I have placed most of my eggs in the one basket with regards to my career. As such, I'm not really sure what I'm going to do now. Everything I have done for the last 5-6 years (inc. 3 year degree) has been viewed as temporary employment, as a stop-gap on the long path modular to a career in the airlines. I slowed everything down as much as possible when the economy started going pear-shaped, stretching groundschool deadlines as far as possible. My degree is aviation related, but I have no core knowledge or training in any other field. I am interested in so many things but passionate about not a lot, so I feel a little stuck.
I have my PPL, I've done ATPL groundschool and hour building, so I've spent a good sum already, but I'm getting out before I go past the point of no return by shelling out for CPL/IR/MCC. To be honest, I feel quite relieved that for the next decade I won't have massive loan repayments hanging over my head, on top of a mortgage and everything else. And, what I have saved as a lump sum for training has now suddenly been freed up for something else.
The 'current economic climate' has only helped my decision, perhaps forced my hand a little. I feel quite frightened for my friends that are already deeply in the hole with no prospects, but I hope they make it.
I'm going to bow out gracefully on my own terms, and although I feel disappointed, I hope I won't regret it, besides feeling really quite happy about the decision believing it is the correct thing to do.
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Do you laugh at how nice a 737-800 looks?
I wonder would I start laughing if I found out who you work for?
Your welcome for the copy and paste. Any time Shaun.
I wonder would I start laughing if I found out who you work for?Your welcome for the copy and paste. Any time Shaun.
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"Every day there is at least one post in one section or another about a European (mainly British) pilot who feels hard done by the system and decides to head over to South Africa, Botswana or Namibia to put daddy's money to good use".
I understand your frustration 747dr...................
"and most of all don't come over here and steal our jobs!"
Now you just shot yourself in the foot = Theres loads of Africans, especially South Africans, working in Ryanair accross all European bases and levels, FO, CPT, TRE. Pot, kettle, black.
I understand your frustration 747dr...................
"and most of all don't come over here and steal our jobs!"
Now you just shot yourself in the foot = Theres loads of Africans, especially South Africans, working in Ryanair accross all European bases and levels, FO, CPT, TRE. Pot, kettle, black.
