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Do like me, don't depend on other people controlling your destiny/future. Instead, make them depend on you, as your customers.
In other words, START YOUR OWN COMPANY!
In other words, START YOUR OWN COMPANY!
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Re:Knocked down
This type of post sounds familiar, blast from the past..Deja vu....Similar to one by an old friend of ours A320Ryder...I think he have had another identity too, Spaceman or something???
Anyway same negativity and context....It also seems a bit strange to write all that for your your first post?? and you only subscribed yesterday??..One would have thought you may have asked for some advice on here prior to this submission...
Sorry dont believe a word of it...
Anyway same negativity and context....It also seems a bit strange to write all that for your your first post?? and you only subscribed yesterday??..One would have thought you may have asked for some advice on here prior to this submission...
Sorry dont believe a word of it...
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You trolling turkish????
When are we going to have the pleasure of your companmy down here mate.
Sorry for drift, Knocked down sorry to hear it, but that happens so much, it took me several years to get in along with many others i know.
When are we going to have the pleasure of your companmy down here mate.
Sorry for drift, Knocked down sorry to hear it, but that happens so much, it took me several years to get in along with many others i know.
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I let my ME/IR lapse a couple of years ago, had tried for 5 years to get a job, I was so focused on trying, I let everything else slip, I turned into a bitter cynical git.
I am totally relieved now that I let it go, looking back I can't really see why I was so desperate to get into a career full of equally bitter people, laughable T&C's, and the prospect of living in a hotel.
I now do what I should have done in the first place - fly for pleasure, under my terms.
Good luck Knocked down.
I am totally relieved now that I let it go, looking back I can't really see why I was so desperate to get into a career full of equally bitter people, laughable T&C's, and the prospect of living in a hotel.
I now do what I should have done in the first place - fly for pleasure, under my terms.
Good luck Knocked down.
Abagnale's attitude is just what is so wrong in this industry.
"It's all me me me. I want to fly so I'll spit on you, walk all over you and accept any T'c & C's to be ahead of you. If you don't like it you are a winger and not commited enough. When I'm working I'll stab you in the back at the first opportunity so there's less competition or maybe just for fun.
I'll show you that my ego is bigger than your house and that I know all there is to know about aviation."
If we could just get rid of the abanale's in this business we all might stand 1/2 a chance of having an enjoyable, rewarding, secure career!
"It's all me me me. I want to fly so I'll spit on you, walk all over you and accept any T'c & C's to be ahead of you. If you don't like it you are a winger and not commited enough. When I'm working I'll stab you in the back at the first opportunity so there's less competition or maybe just for fun.
I'll show you that my ego is bigger than your house and that I know all there is to know about aviation."
If we could just get rid of the abanale's in this business we all might stand 1/2 a chance of having an enjoyable, rewarding, secure career!
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I cant believe some of the comments to the original post. 
We have all been there trying to get that first job. I remember well the training schools saying it will take 1 1/2 years and then the companies will be queing up to give you the right hand seat and a fat cheque. All rubbish. I eventually got there but only with six years of various training. wasted money. Flight instruction for peanuts and then buying a type rating and line training. I was lucky with a father who could lend the money for the type and line training with no idea when he will get paid back. Now after two years i have been laid off. At least i have a 1000 hours on type so a better chance. But in this climate who knows. So I just wish the training schools would give the wanabees a more realistic idea of their chances and the pitfalls of this line of work and stop showing fresh faced guys in glossy mags with their raybays and smug smiles. Its all rubbish. Your better of going for the x factor - you have more chance of winning that at the moment and at least you get a better contract with simon cowell. 
We have all been there trying to get that first job. I remember well the training schools saying it will take 1 1/2 years and then the companies will be queing up to give you the right hand seat and a fat cheque. All rubbish. I eventually got there but only with six years of various training. wasted money. Flight instruction for peanuts and then buying a type rating and line training. I was lucky with a father who could lend the money for the type and line training with no idea when he will get paid back. Now after two years i have been laid off. At least i have a 1000 hours on type so a better chance. But in this climate who knows. So I just wish the training schools would give the wanabees a more realistic idea of their chances and the pitfalls of this line of work and stop showing fresh faced guys in glossy mags with their raybays and smug smiles. Its all rubbish. Your better of going for the x factor - you have more chance of winning that at the moment and at least you get a better contract with simon cowell.
knocked_down, do not despair! There are doom-mongers on here who will tell of no jobs 'till 2035 et al.. what are you doing now,work-wise?
Can you not get into instructing/GA side?
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Can you not get into instructing/GA side?
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Can you not get into instructing/GA side?
The question of whether he/she will 'get into' it is a completely different one. With an almost certain answer of no. And suggesting someone pays £6-7K for an FI rating to get 'part time' work which pays £250 a month is easier said than done.
Where has this myth come from that everyone will only resort to a Cargo, GA or a Flying instructor job if they are on the verge of losing everything and have no other option? Or that it hasn't occured to us to try these other branches of commercial aviation? If I get asked whether I would consider flying instruction of flying 'little private jets' again I think I will scream.
I don't know why your all so surprised, back in the hiring boom days of the mid 2000s 75% of people who took an initial class one medical never achieved an ATPL. Why should now be any different?
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Some people work hard to be arses, but for some, it just comes naturally. It makes me wonder if Abagnale's real name has an O'Leary in it. Not the big M, he's too busy toying with BBC reporters for Pprune, but the family resemblance is striking.
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This thread started with a fairly simple question,"When do I give up?", and has turned into the usual PPRUNE squabble. If we are honest we have all been in that postion, some of us can say we came so close to giving up, but kept the faith and everything worked out. Others I know, had a very different result, not because they were bad pilots or people, but because they just never got a break. Unfortunately PPRUNE, is NOT the place to look for answers to this question. It is only you who knows how much you want to fly, and how much time and money you can devote to achieve your goal. To quote a rather corny line from the Rocky films " It ain't how hard you can hit, it's how many times you can get hit and still get up!" So I ask you, are you out for the count?
