This thread started with a fairly simple question,"When do I give up?", and has turned into the usual PPRUNE squabble. If we are honest we have all been in that postion, some of us can say we came so close to giving up, but kept the faith and everything worked out. Others I know, had a very different result, not because they were bad pilots or people, but because they just never got a break. Unfortunately PPRUNE, is NOT the place to look for answers to this question. It is only you who knows how much you want to fly, and how much time and money you can devote to achieve your goal. To quote a rather corny line from the Rocky films " It ain't how hard you can hit, it's how many times you can get hit and still get up!" So I ask you, are you out for the count?