Etihad Cadet Pilot Training Assessment 2009
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As I posted earlier, I am somewhat convinced this some April's fools joke. The evidence given to us is not convincing. I refuse to accept that Etihad would just suddenly cancel 3/8 assessment cities and what not.
Anyway, if it is indeed a joke, its a pretty good one. Otherwise, tough luck to us who were sort of booted out of the program.
Cheers
Anyway, if it is indeed a joke, its a pretty good one. Otherwise, tough luck to us who were sort of booted out of the program.
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okees,
I have to say that you know very little the aviation industry in the middle east and EY it self... maybe not much about aviation industry in general...
I would realy love to say that this is some sort of joke but theres losts of things that would indicate its not.
I said it last year when people got very excited about these EY cadet international assessments.. First of all there are very few places at this cadet deal to be filled up, 2nd is that some of them are alredy "booked" for "prefered candidates" (so this makes it even harder to get in), and if anybody thinks its different way I have to say that live in some sort of "dream world".
My "guess" is that EY realized that for very few places that they have left to be filled they do NOT need to carry out 8 assesments this year as they will get enough of quality guys and girs for 2nd stage just from LHR, FRA, JNB, AUH, SYD. Remeber that to invite all this people to AUH for 2nd stage and pay for everything... going to be lots of cash.
Another thing is that they can save some money by not sending their people to JFK, YYZ nad SIN and not splashing cash on hotels so only HALF of people that applied will show up.
Another "guess" is that this all is a part of much bigger picture!
As time goes by and market is not at its best, JH will do anything is needed to get his MASSIVE bonus by the end of his contract! And if this means that he has to shut down the cadet programme to save up some, he will.
Many would probably ask but why now?!? and why didnt they cancel SYD and AUH, since they are still far ahead... I would say because JH got special "love" for OZ and "his" people (when it comes to SYD assesment), JNB is just way to close to cancel it and AUH just have to remain there, as it would look very "bad" to carry on with JNB and SYD but not AUH.
My last "guess" is that this EY cadet programme started because JH and some "high ranked EY people" wanted to get free pilot trainning for their "close ones". Of course there are few (know one my self) that got in beacuse they passed all the exams and are going to make great pilots in the future, they just have to take some "not connected" people so it doesnt look too bad.
I dont say that its impossible to get in but im sure that its much harder than one would think!
The truth is that there was never a need for this cadet programme as EY got PILE of applications from pilots from all over the world, that meet their requirements!
Just look around you and see whats happening in aviation industry all over the world and you will (maybe) understand whats going on.
What EY cadet programme has to offer is really great as I dont think theres anybody else out there with such a "deal" for wannabes.
I just think too many people thought that getting into this programee would be like a walk in the park.
When they say that one batch would have 12 cadets and you want to calculate your chances, you will have to assume that theres actually 8-9 places.
I know that there will be lots of people bashing me for what I wrote but "wasta" does work everywhere, they just call it different in other parts of the world.
But what do I know, Im just guessing!
I have to say that you know very little the aviation industry in the middle east and EY it self... maybe not much about aviation industry in general...
I would realy love to say that this is some sort of joke but theres losts of things that would indicate its not.
I said it last year when people got very excited about these EY cadet international assessments.. First of all there are very few places at this cadet deal to be filled up, 2nd is that some of them are alredy "booked" for "prefered candidates" (so this makes it even harder to get in), and if anybody thinks its different way I have to say that live in some sort of "dream world".
My "guess" is that EY realized that for very few places that they have left to be filled they do NOT need to carry out 8 assesments this year as they will get enough of quality guys and girs for 2nd stage just from LHR, FRA, JNB, AUH, SYD. Remeber that to invite all this people to AUH for 2nd stage and pay for everything... going to be lots of cash.
Another thing is that they can save some money by not sending their people to JFK, YYZ nad SIN and not splashing cash on hotels so only HALF of people that applied will show up.
Another "guess" is that this all is a part of much bigger picture!
As time goes by and market is not at its best, JH will do anything is needed to get his MASSIVE bonus by the end of his contract! And if this means that he has to shut down the cadet programme to save up some, he will.
Many would probably ask but why now?!? and why didnt they cancel SYD and AUH, since they are still far ahead... I would say because JH got special "love" for OZ and "his" people (when it comes to SYD assesment), JNB is just way to close to cancel it and AUH just have to remain there, as it would look very "bad" to carry on with JNB and SYD but not AUH.
My last "guess" is that this EY cadet programme started because JH and some "high ranked EY people" wanted to get free pilot trainning for their "close ones". Of course there are few (know one my self) that got in beacuse they passed all the exams and are going to make great pilots in the future, they just have to take some "not connected" people so it doesnt look too bad.
I dont say that its impossible to get in but im sure that its much harder than one would think!
The truth is that there was never a need for this cadet programme as EY got PILE of applications from pilots from all over the world, that meet their requirements!
Just look around you and see whats happening in aviation industry all over the world and you will (maybe) understand whats going on.
What EY cadet programme has to offer is really great as I dont think theres anybody else out there with such a "deal" for wannabes.
I just think too many people thought that getting into this programee would be like a walk in the park.
When they say that one batch would have 12 cadets and you want to calculate your chances, you will have to assume that theres actually 8-9 places.
I know that there will be lots of people bashing me for what I wrote but "wasta" does work everywhere, they just call it different in other parts of the world.
But what do I know, Im just guessing!
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No more a joke!!!!
My friend just inquired [email protected] and here is what he received, (he forwarded the mail to me that's why am posting here)
Dear Etihad,
I recently heared a rumour that the assessments for New york, Toronto, Singapore have been defered to 2010. Is it true? I anticipate it shouldn't be.
Regards,
XXXXX
Dear Candidate,
Due to the current economic climate Etihad Airways will be unable to conduct further cadet pilot assessments this year. We are therefore postponing the planned selections in New York, Toronto and Singapore until further notice.
We very much hope to resume the process in 2010, and will email each of you again towards the end of 2009 should this be the case to confirm your interest.
We are very sorry that the current climate has forced us into this position; however we at Etihad Airways remain optimistic about the future and look forward to hopefully resuming the assessment process in 2010.
Cadet Pilot
Recruitment Team
Who so ever still reluctant
to accept the truth, inquire [email protected] and it's time to switch to "Plan B". 
Dear Etihad,
I recently heared a rumour that the assessments for New york, Toronto, Singapore have been defered to 2010. Is it true? I anticipate it shouldn't be.
Regards,
XXXXX
Dear Candidate,
Due to the current economic climate Etihad Airways will be unable to conduct further cadet pilot assessments this year. We are therefore postponing the planned selections in New York, Toronto and Singapore until further notice.
We very much hope to resume the process in 2010, and will email each of you again towards the end of 2009 should this be the case to confirm your interest.
We are very sorry that the current climate has forced us into this position; however we at Etihad Airways remain optimistic about the future and look forward to hopefully resuming the assessment process in 2010.
Cadet Pilot
Recruitment Team
Who so ever still reluctant
to accept the truth, inquire [email protected] and it's time to switch to "Plan B".
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Utter Tosh
GBB,
Where are you geting your info from?
Who on the first two courses of international cadets was from the reserved list?
Where is the reserved list, does it exist only in JH secret draw?
The truth is the cadet pilot programme odds are small, but for the people from london and Frankfurt who are coming to AUH for second round selection, the odds are increasing.
I dont understand your negative view, at which point is this a bad scheme? Etihad does offer something nobody else does, its a chance, a real chance to get on a programme that is the dream of many.
Tell me the names of the special few already selected, please.
EYZ
Where are you geting your info from?
Who on the first two courses of international cadets was from the reserved list?
Where is the reserved list, does it exist only in JH secret draw?
The truth is the cadet pilot programme odds are small, but for the people from london and Frankfurt who are coming to AUH for second round selection, the odds are increasing.
I dont understand your negative view, at which point is this a bad scheme? Etihad does offer something nobody else does, its a chance, a real chance to get on a programme that is the dream of many.
Tell me the names of the special few already selected, please.
EYZ
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EYZ,
First of all... I said that I was guessing, didnt I?
2nd: I said in my last post that I think EY cadet programme is probably one of a kind offer out there and great way for wannabes to become pilots, if the can get in.
So you want to tell me that all the selection is fair and nobody got upper hand, inside information, "wasta"? and everybody was selected just because they were the best at all the tests?
Oh, this wouldnt happen even in Vatican City if they were to have such a scheme!
I didnt say that you cant get in as only "prefered one" will get the places.
I said that if theres 12 in the batch, few will be there thanks to some sort of "wasta"!
How about you tell us all why did EY cadet programme started in the first place and why are they canceling 3 of 8 assessments this year?
First of all... I said that I was guessing, didnt I?
2nd: I said in my last post that I think EY cadet programme is probably one of a kind offer out there and great way for wannabes to become pilots, if the can get in.
So you want to tell me that all the selection is fair and nobody got upper hand, inside information, "wasta"? and everybody was selected just because they were the best at all the tests?
Oh, this wouldnt happen even in Vatican City if they were to have such a scheme!
I didnt say that you cant get in as only "prefered one" will get the places.
I said that if theres 12 in the batch, few will be there thanks to some sort of "wasta"!
How about you tell us all why did EY cadet programme started in the first place and why are they canceling 3 of 8 assessments this year?
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GBB,
Dont see the point of your argument, there are probably hundreds here who dont even know what <wasta> is to begin with, besides we all know what goes on and please lets not forget there are so many out there who have worked their guts out to prepare for this assessment like i did every evening after long shift at work and every lunch break and tell you what, those guys marking our exams could clearly identify who has done so, they are real proffessionals at what they do, even if someone got into the programme through preferences it will not be easy to justify how the ones which deserve the most didnt get it.
i believe in working hard for something you need real bad.
Dont see the point of your argument, there are probably hundreds here who dont even know what <wasta> is to begin with, besides we all know what goes on and please lets not forget there are so many out there who have worked their guts out to prepare for this assessment like i did every evening after long shift at work and every lunch break and tell you what, those guys marking our exams could clearly identify who has done so, they are real proffessionals at what they do, even if someone got into the programme through preferences it will not be easy to justify how the ones which deserve the most didnt get it.
i believe in working hard for something you need real bad.
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GBB,
Lets clarify things, are you talking about the International or UAE scheme?
The UAE scheme, may of had some wasta moments in the beginning, however there is nothing like this now, if you do not pass you do not get in.
Now, the internationals, I heard the rumours that it was set up for JH, RH and PCW sons to join, again simply not true, do you knowwhat JH and PCW son's actually do? I dont thik they want to give it up to be pilots!! Yes RH son is there, but only on merrit.
I think the cadet pilot programme for internationals started because at GF they did not have one and it lead to an imbalance situation in the flight deck of too many of one nationality and this in turn caused its own problems. I assume they did not want to make the same mistake twice, simple.
I know the other theory sounds more spectacular but i'm afraid it just ain't true.
The cancellations are due to simply not being sure how many cadet will be required next year, 2010 is EY quietest year in terms of deliveries since it founded, however the next selections to be held will be in YYZ, JFK and SIN. Those that were invited, will be given preference, if they still wish to come.
EYZ
Lets clarify things, are you talking about the International or UAE scheme?
The UAE scheme, may of had some wasta moments in the beginning, however there is nothing like this now, if you do not pass you do not get in.
Now, the internationals, I heard the rumours that it was set up for JH, RH and PCW sons to join, again simply not true, do you knowwhat JH and PCW son's actually do? I dont thik they want to give it up to be pilots!! Yes RH son is there, but only on merrit.
I think the cadet pilot programme for internationals started because at GF they did not have one and it lead to an imbalance situation in the flight deck of too many of one nationality and this in turn caused its own problems. I assume they did not want to make the same mistake twice, simple.
I know the other theory sounds more spectacular but i'm afraid it just ain't true.
The cancellations are due to simply not being sure how many cadet will be required next year, 2010 is EY quietest year in terms of deliveries since it founded, however the next selections to be held will be in YYZ, JFK and SIN. Those that were invited, will be given preference, if they still wish to come.
EYZ
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GBB,
First off, being from the middle east, I know a bit more than you think. But, if indeed what you say is true, I know you are just guessing, I have lost some respect for EY.
1- If they really want to position themselves as a leader in the area, and probably the world, having half assed schemes that are poorly set up, and poorly managed is quite surprising. Suddenly, they realized that they have too few seats to fill? What about planning? What about setting quotas for each city? What about more aggressive eliminations? I did not apply for a position in Toronto thinking its a walk in the park. Frankly, getting accepted to the next round is almost like winning the lottery. But, from an internationally acclaimed organization, that is marketing itself, and repositioning itself to actively compete with giants such as EK, and to be a worldwide hub, actions such as improperly calculating the number of seats required to fill, and how many from each city is frankly surprising.
2- How can they decide that they can get enough quality from JNB, AUH, and SYD without even conducting the assessments? You really think that in YYZ, JFK, and SIN they wont find enough qualified people of high calibre?
3- Life tends to be very unfair, I know and accept that. I have no problems with the whole issue of the unfairness in life. Yes it is unfair that the assessments got canceled in the last 3 cities, but I do still expect to recieve a notice regarding the issue. Reading about it on PPRUNE, and only knowing what is going on with the assessments through PPRUNE is quite dissapointing. And I find it unbelievable, that EY would have trouble in sending out a mass email to the 2400 people who applied for spots in YYZ, JFK and SIN.
4- About your "wasta". I have been screwed, royally screwed from this "wasta" many times. I know how it works, I know what it does. But, if upper management wanted to get their sons and daughters into the cadet program, what are the chances they would actually set up an international search, travel to cities around the world, spend lots of money just so they can put their loved ones in the preferred spots? Why not just do it in the local Emarati scheme? I know for a fact they are having very difficulty encouraging Emarati's to join the program. Dont forget we're talking about pilots here. Regardless of what "wasta" someone has, if someone is not cut out of being a pilot, he/she will simply not be trained.
And dont you insinuate that I have no idea what is going on with the aviation industry, or any industry for that matter. Being fired from jobs because of the economy, having close family and friends get the axe because of the economy, and living in a country that is so affected by the economy makes me know first hand what the hell is going on. Had EY canceled all other assessments as well, I would believe the economic downturn played a major role, but just canceling some, and not immediately, I find it hard to believe.
Honestly, I always had a plan B. Figuring out that one has about a 1% of a chance of getting in, no one in their right mind would consider this the ultimate plan, and the only one.
To close this rant of mine, we are talking about EY here. With 45 aircraft on hand, and another 115 on order, its a big, going onto being a huge airline. Anything less than a professional approach to dealing with candidates, especially those who have been affected be the what seems to be a random cancelation. And so far, I have not felt the professionalism, and so do many others.
Cheers,
okees
First off, being from the middle east, I know a bit more than you think. But, if indeed what you say is true, I know you are just guessing, I have lost some respect for EY.
1- If they really want to position themselves as a leader in the area, and probably the world, having half assed schemes that are poorly set up, and poorly managed is quite surprising. Suddenly, they realized that they have too few seats to fill? What about planning? What about setting quotas for each city? What about more aggressive eliminations? I did not apply for a position in Toronto thinking its a walk in the park. Frankly, getting accepted to the next round is almost like winning the lottery. But, from an internationally acclaimed organization, that is marketing itself, and repositioning itself to actively compete with giants such as EK, and to be a worldwide hub, actions such as improperly calculating the number of seats required to fill, and how many from each city is frankly surprising.
2- How can they decide that they can get enough quality from JNB, AUH, and SYD without even conducting the assessments? You really think that in YYZ, JFK, and SIN they wont find enough qualified people of high calibre?
3- Life tends to be very unfair, I know and accept that. I have no problems with the whole issue of the unfairness in life. Yes it is unfair that the assessments got canceled in the last 3 cities, but I do still expect to recieve a notice regarding the issue. Reading about it on PPRUNE, and only knowing what is going on with the assessments through PPRUNE is quite dissapointing. And I find it unbelievable, that EY would have trouble in sending out a mass email to the 2400 people who applied for spots in YYZ, JFK and SIN.
4- About your "wasta". I have been screwed, royally screwed from this "wasta" many times. I know how it works, I know what it does. But, if upper management wanted to get their sons and daughters into the cadet program, what are the chances they would actually set up an international search, travel to cities around the world, spend lots of money just so they can put their loved ones in the preferred spots? Why not just do it in the local Emarati scheme? I know for a fact they are having very difficulty encouraging Emarati's to join the program. Dont forget we're talking about pilots here. Regardless of what "wasta" someone has, if someone is not cut out of being a pilot, he/she will simply not be trained.
And dont you insinuate that I have no idea what is going on with the aviation industry, or any industry for that matter. Being fired from jobs because of the economy, having close family and friends get the axe because of the economy, and living in a country that is so affected by the economy makes me know first hand what the hell is going on. Had EY canceled all other assessments as well, I would believe the economic downturn played a major role, but just canceling some, and not immediately, I find it hard to believe.
Honestly, I always had a plan B. Figuring out that one has about a 1% of a chance of getting in, no one in their right mind would consider this the ultimate plan, and the only one.
To close this rant of mine, we are talking about EY here. With 45 aircraft on hand, and another 115 on order, its a big, going onto being a huge airline. Anything less than a professional approach to dealing with candidates, especially those who have been affected be the what seems to be a random cancelation. And so far, I have not felt the professionalism, and so do many others.
Cheers,
okees