Etihad Cadet Pilot Programme

[sirnaish]

god damn it!

@MarcoFF :

not great that the same thing happend to somebody else!

that really shows how unorganised they are in the new "Etihad Training Center" !

we have to keep fighting, shouldn't we?

[walshy_MAN]

Your right Skan11, Im just dissappointed I guess. Yeah the job I have now I was put through aptitudes tests etc, its just frustrating how industries implement these things which I still continue to question on what they have to do with anyting.

I shall continue on my PPL anyway.

[AdamLT]

guys..if it wasnt meant to be...it wasn't meant to be.

don't pin your hopes on just one scheme. i am not..and have other options to explore/ undertake in the near future.

good luck to all those who got through and to those who are about to sit the assessment.

[HDP]

You can judge a person alot more through 10/15mins of a proper structured interview with set questions and verbal communication with maybe a few tests, rather than sticking them infront of several tests and then just get rid of them barely being able to put a face to a name.

I think you might be missing something here. Yes, you can judge an applicant more through a structured interview, but the tests were not designed entirely to judge people. That will be done in the next stage in Abu Dhabi. I believe they were designed to eliminate the people who cannot cope under pressure.

Etihad could have well missed out on potentially brilliant applicants through running tests which reflect nothing about the industry and the job. Now they are flying people out to Abu Dhabi and may find some applicants just cant grasp the co-ordination.

Why should someone who doesn't do well in the tests necessarily be a brilliant candidate? OK, on the other hand, someone who aced the tests might turn out to be poor candidate later on, but they've certainly made a good start.

The tests were not meant to reflect anything about the industry or the job. Remember, the scheme is designed for people with no experience of flying, so they don't expect you to be able to label a jet engine, explain how wings generate lift etc. They just want to find the candidates who are good at basic maths/physics/English, cope well under pressure, and who show the potential to go on and succeed in the later training.

I have been left very dissappointed with the whole thing.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I feel the whole scheme is very well planned, and very well structured.

[Deltacat13]

HDP I believe they were designed to eliminate the people who cannot cope under pressure.

I get your point. And to some extent it is true. But don't just bag ppl up..
I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl here that didn't make it have to deal with pressure in their every day jobs. So some of the elimination process could well be just down to luck..

[HDP]

I get your point. And to some extent it is true. But don't just bag ppl up..
I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl here that didn't make it have to deal with pressure in their every day jobs. So some of the elimination process could well be just down to luck..

I wasn't trying to insult the people who didn't get selected - it was just a general observation. As you say, it could also be down to luck, but it would certainly not be the main deciding factor.

[Mondo330]

hey I to have just got the thanks but no thanks e-mail.bit gutted as I thought I had done well in the tests and came out feeling confident,ohh well. just adds to experience, looks like im off to florida to start the modular training. well done to all those people who have been selected for the next stage,all the best.
M

[Papa Burgundy]

What kind of standard are you guys who have been (or might be) invited to the next stage are at? Do you all hold PPLs? Are you all University graduates?

[leyahl]

I received the maybe and I'm an 20 year old undergrad with no flying experience. But as they said, selection for the next stage is only based on the results of these tests so flying experience and background should have no impact yet.

[Aeromar27]

I wasn't trying to insult the people who didn't get selected - it was just a general observation. As you say, it could also be down to luck, but it would certainly not be the main deciding factor.

Of course it was down to luck. This was only about getting rid of some people. Its the only way to make it, and its understandable. If it was not a matter of luck, a lot more people would have been selected, or are you saying that 170 people didn't finish all the tests. Of course they did, and im sure it all came down to the words they used in the CV, and probably the font they chose.

It's acceptable that they conducted it this way, otherwise the selection process would have cost them more time than the actual training! imagin having to interview 6000 people. Another thought is... i fly already right? and i've had one emergency so far, landing gear not coming out. Now THAT was pressure, and im here, am i not. The last thing i would have needed to do in that particular moments is math exersices. Or is it like, OH GOD, THE LANDING GEAR IS STUCK, QUICKLY, HOW MUCH IS 2378 times 1/23!

There are better ways to assess people, they are just not viable. So as far as i know, they could have chosen any imaginable way of getting rid of people. At the end of the day, it's their game.

[HDP]

Of course it was down to luck.

Maybe partially, but I wouldn't agree entirely. It's just my opinion, and I might be wrong, so don't hate me for it.

or are you saying that 170 people didn't finish all the tests.

No, but on the other hand, are you saying that 170 people got 100% in the tests?

[Aeromar27]

not 100%, but certainly more people than the amount that called back... its just a way of making the selection more "manageable" for them. They need to handle smaller numbers. With this process they will get good people, but im 100% sure that with this kind of initial head cutting, they have ruled out truly valuable employees. But hey, again, this was like some superstar handing out autographs... a matter of luck.

Don't get me wrong.

[DenizD]

Aeromar, I think you are taking this harder than you said you were.

You're mad because you thought your love for flying and the flight experience you have was enough to almost guarantee you a job. You probably thought or still think that you are more qualified for the job than some of the applicants who are going through with no flight experience, and that sir, is a cocky attitude or what the FAA tests here in the U.S. call a 'macho attitude'. Everyone knows it is easier for someone to teach a person who is willing to learn rather than someone who thinks they have seen it all. And the fact that you and others are calling luck the determining factor serves only as discouragement to those who haven't yet taken the assessment. I have no doubts that there are people from Etihad watching this thread, and the fact that they may, or may not know your name, Omar, should serve as a warning. You may have not made it this time but you may be called back when more pilots are needed. By the way has anyone from the Facebook community made it through?

[SirJ]

Aptitude tests measure how quick it takes you to realise things. The quicker you realise things, the more intelligent you are.

The only way of mesuring how you will preform under a stressful situation is through time constrained aptitude tests.

So the best people at preforming under stressful situations and acting in a well thought out intelligent manner were selected.

Stop acting like a spoilt child and grow up-your competing against everyone else and everyone was in the same situation. You were'nt as good as everyone else-it's not Etihads fault.

[Aeromar27]

Who said it was Etihad's fault? In fact I tried to explain my understanding of why these proceses have to go like this on the first stages. They just simply can't test 6000 people, so they set criterias in the most fair way that they consider. They thought math was the way to go, and i respect them. I flew as cabin crew for a big company and i know how non-detailed the first stages of assessment were.

I have more than moved on, and I'm going to class more happily now that i got an answer. Do you know how hard it was becoming to open a book everyday, having in my head that Etihad might have been just around the corner? Unfortunately i can't go for the next Cadet Program. I would be happy to, but my plans involve turning 27... and my ATPL exam is in November, so wish me luck.

I knew you would get me wrong, i knew it. I would have loved to be selected, i had great expectations (and who didn't) and I am entitled to a little disconfort. Wether to share it in a respectful way or stay in silence is my choice.

I never said that my love for this was a guarantee for getting the acceptance. It is though a guarantee for that i will get the job whenever they assess me aeronautically when i apply with my CPL in hand, and that is something i have to convince myself with, cause otherwise i wouldn't even be doing this at all. I never said either that i was better than anyone else...

[Coldwing]

Dear SirJ,

and if some people during the test done was worried?

Did you know that Einstein too wasn't selected for a place in the University of Zurigo, with a selection test?

Simply I think that the exam went bad, also for me, because maybe I wasn't prepared enough or I was too worried, or other people was more lucky than me during the test.......stop.

It was a chance, I didn't get it but I continue to live with a smile on the mouth, because in the life of a person a test represent only a chance, nothing else.

But probably I'm writing to a troll, or, worse, to a candidate that received the maybe-email and now he's thinking a little like a poor moron.

Good luck for the people invited at the second stage.

[SirJ]

If you actually knew what you were talking about you'd know that he never wanted to attend said institution as like many very intelligent people in history, disliked the structure and teaching methodoligies of classes and lectures etc. Its also been said that he scored exceptionally well in the analytical part of the exam, no suprise there, but he fell down in the engish part, as it was not his native language and never had time for languages in earlier school days.

So, my point was -

• how do you compare everybody on a level playing field. The only answer is through an aptitude test which tests problem solving ability.
• how do you see how they will preform under pressure - apply a tight time limit to the aptitude tests.

As has been said, Etihad wanted to select people who could problem solve quickly and in a pressure situation like having problems during a flight and how you step through proceedures in order to locate a problem and save your life and the lives of others. I can see a direct correlation between the above points and what I've just said.

Can you now tell me how Etihad could compare such a large group of people using the above points, without the use of an aptitude test.

If you get worried answering a few general knowledge questions and a few mathematics questions in a quiet conference room in a hotel, I'd hate to see you at 35000ft and encountering a problem with an aircraft.

[121ace]

I suggest you all take a step back for a second and calm down

This is getting far too out of hand and is unacceptable behaviour for potential future first officers. Petty bickering is not going to solve anything.

[Rapha_BA]

First,or you are all very silly or just naive(no offence ha)but this is simple and obvious!BA sponsorship scheme was,ran in a similar way,matter of a fact I've flown with a senior training Capt. today and he told me that thats the way it goes,just like Aeromar said!Cathay pacific,same thing,so as emirates!is no rocket science!on my specific case,I can reaply and the only thing I can do is simply work to put my standards higher(which were)and instead of finish all the exams with 99% sure that they were ok on time,I'll try to do it in half of it,maybe wont be margin for error,maybe I get a place lets keep hope!for you all awaiting for your tests good luck,for you all waiting for the second stage,well done and good luck!

p.s-Some of you have been email me asking for what went on the exams,my answer,GET REAL!like I quote before on this forum,I'm gonna try again,the max I can do is "teach you how to cook and not give you the plater ready"understand???

[Coldwing]

So every pilot that hasn't done an aptitude is a bad pilot?

Nah.... I don't think so.... (how much pilot are flying now, and they haven't done any apt. test? People can change during their life, remember... intelligence too.)

However I think that an aptitude test it's a good way for selections, there aren't other fast methods.

But I repeat it again: the test gone bad because people wasn't prepared enough (and in this fact I was stupid, may, yes), and I can't talk about details of the test because it wouldn't fair for the new applicants.