£50 Pounds to send your CV??????
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£50 Pounds to send your CV??????
I saw that Ryanair have an advert for Pilots. A link on pprune. I clicked on it to see what they have to offer. (i'm not looking, just out of interest). On the website they are demanding you send £50 to send them your CV! Is it me or are they having a laugh? I have heard lots of funny things about Ryanair , but shoot me down, I couldn't believe it! What are the administration costs to read one CV? £50??!!! I was rolling around on the floor in stitches. You couldn't make it up!! And they give it back to you if they offer you a job!! I have never heard such a load of bollox in my life!
What a lovely first impression counts experience of meeting someone. They take cash off you to say hello! What are they like when you work for them. Do they charge you to use V-Nav? What about salary deductions for using autoland, after all, it was the plane that landed itself!
I wouldn't work for Ryanair out of principal! I'd rather change career!
What a lovely first impression counts experience of meeting someone. They take cash off you to say hello! What are they like when you work for them. Do they charge you to use V-Nav? What about salary deductions for using autoland, after all, it was the plane that landed itself!
I wouldn't work for Ryanair out of principal! I'd rather change career!
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They do it because they can.
The £50 charge came in not long after 9/11, when pilots were being laid off and people would have sold their granny for a job offer. It has been with us ever since, because for every person who sees it for the exploitative money-grabbing scheme that it is, there are plenty more who are desperate / daft / naive enough to stump up the cash. If pigs learned to fly and everyone refused to pay, the charge would disappear overnight.
I would never ever work for a company that charged me to apply for a job, but there are clearly enough people out there who are prepared to.
The £50 charge came in not long after 9/11, when pilots were being laid off and people would have sold their granny for a job offer. It has been with us ever since, because for every person who sees it for the exploitative money-grabbing scheme that it is, there are plenty more who are desperate / daft / naive enough to stump up the cash. If pigs learned to fly and everyone refused to pay, the charge would disappear overnight.
I would never ever work for a company that charged me to apply for a job, but there are clearly enough people out there who are prepared to.
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Initial selection through financial penalty may well be considered as natural selection.
Almost every airline receives over a hundred CV's per week which takes maybe 5 minutes to read, the math is simple 500 minutes 8hrs 20mins or over 1 working day.
By charging this limits the numbers received down to those who are really interested in joining and reduces wasted time.
Also as Ryanair charge for their type ratings (Not Captains) those with the £50 are more likely to be able to find the funds to progress further, £260 for the interview and sim check £22000 for the rating.
From what I have seen after 35+ years in aviation the Ryanair knockers here will never be anything else but anti, its time they grew up and accepted the facts that in todays environment we all have a choice one is to pay or not to pay, the other is to sit on a fat A... waiting for a job to come to them. (it will not)
Most new Ryanair pilots already know what to expect, the costs involved and the renumeration received. its their choice.
If when I started there was a job like Ryanair, I would not have though twice before applying.
It took me 2 months to get a flying job, which lasted 5 months, (Redundant) then a job flying turboprops for 5 years before getting that first jet job.
Integrated course £7000 including accomodation. first job £1200 per annum.
Today we have much higher costs but low costs still recruit cadet pilots who can expect to receive £30000+ in the first year.
LAY OFF SLAGGING RYANAIR
If you have specific gripes and have worked for Ryanair then post, otherwise stop wasting band width.
No I dont work for Ryanair, nor have I ever worked for them.
Travelled with them a few times and will continue to do so.
Tin hat on and waiting but at my age who really gives a damn.
Almost every airline receives over a hundred CV's per week which takes maybe 5 minutes to read, the math is simple 500 minutes 8hrs 20mins or over 1 working day.
By charging this limits the numbers received down to those who are really interested in joining and reduces wasted time.
Also as Ryanair charge for their type ratings (Not Captains) those with the £50 are more likely to be able to find the funds to progress further, £260 for the interview and sim check £22000 for the rating.
From what I have seen after 35+ years in aviation the Ryanair knockers here will never be anything else but anti, its time they grew up and accepted the facts that in todays environment we all have a choice one is to pay or not to pay, the other is to sit on a fat A... waiting for a job to come to them. (it will not)
Most new Ryanair pilots already know what to expect, the costs involved and the renumeration received. its their choice.
If when I started there was a job like Ryanair, I would not have though twice before applying.
It took me 2 months to get a flying job, which lasted 5 months, (Redundant) then a job flying turboprops for 5 years before getting that first jet job.
Integrated course £7000 including accomodation. first job £1200 per annum.
Today we have much higher costs but low costs still recruit cadet pilots who can expect to receive £30000+ in the first year.
LAY OFF SLAGGING RYANAIR
If you have specific gripes and have worked for Ryanair then post, otherwise stop wasting band width.
No I dont work for Ryanair, nor have I ever worked for them.
Travelled with them a few times and will continue to do so.
Tin hat on and waiting but at my age who really gives a damn.
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and don your tin hat you may well Day Dreamer !
LAY OFF SLAGGING RYANAIR
If you have specific gripes and have worked for Ryanair then post
If you have specific gripes and have worked for Ryanair then post
Integrated course £7000 including accomodation. first job £1200 per annum
Travelled with them a few times and will continue to do so.
As with the other posters, I'd rather be doing my engineering and earning decent dosh than working for them ! My choice, just as other people choose to go off with them. Unfortunately, there will always be these 2 camps !!
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Day Dreamer,
I really do not understand people who share your view. If no other company in any other industry does this then why should Ryanair? They are a joke.
Who on earth are you to say that good people with a good enough mind to see the truth (unlike yourself) will not get a job unless they pay this pathetic cost?
Natural selection my balls. If it were, it would be selected on aptitude and ability, not money.
I'm sure they would rather get paid little less and be treated with at least a little dignity.
At your age though, I guess who cares? Think about the future of the career if all the pilots closer to retirement shared that view. It sure isn't looking good, is it?
I really do not understand people who share your view. If no other company in any other industry does this then why should Ryanair? They are a joke.
we all have a choice one is to pay or not to pay, the other is to sit on a fat A... waiting for a job to come to them. (it will not)
Natural selection my balls. If it were, it would be selected on aptitude and ability, not money.
Today we have much higher costs but low costs still recruit cadet pilots who can expect to receive £30000+ in the first year.
At your age though, I guess who cares? Think about the future of the career if all the pilots closer to retirement shared that view. It sure isn't looking good, is it?
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in todays environment we all have a choice one is to pay or not to pay, the other is to sit on a fat A... waiting for a job to come to them. (it will not)
I agree with another point too:
Most new Ryanair pilots already know what to expect
I understand the appeal of lots of hours on a 737NG. I understand the desperation to get a first job that leads people to pay to join an airline. The trouble is, the more people that demonstrate they'll do anything, pay any price to become an airline pilot, the greater the temptation for other airlines to follow suit. Erosion of Ryanair pilots' terms and conditions today means erosion of everyone else's tomorrow.
That's only my opinion, and people might disagree with it, but I don't believe that stating it is a waste of bandwidth.
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There is no such thing as a free type rating.
You end up paying in the end by lower salaries, sometimes only reaching full F/O salary in year 5.
Some other companies offset their training risk by asking for the new pilot to put up a bond for training ahead of the course the onus is then on the new hire to achieve the required grade or lose the cost of training.
Selection is not 100% accurate and some do fall at the training hurdle.
There are no charities out there these days, so risk should be shared if not carried by the pilot undertaking the training. Its also motivating.
In answer to how much I paid in 1970/72 I did not miss off any zero's either in costs or salary, in those days a jet captain's salary averaged £12K to £15K. per annum.
You cant blame Ryanair for driving down salaries, it the current economics that drive down salaries, each bean counter wants to save money, so after fuel and aircraft leases how can they do that, simple hit salaries.
Share holders want dividends, increased overheads cant do that so your salary decays in real terms.
But Ryanair pay by results, i.e. you work you get paid
My terms and conditions were eroded long before Ryanair came on the scene in the strength they are today. And after 3 redundancies I would have worked for free to get back into the air, to keep my skills alive.
T & C's they are worse today than in the early 80's.
Bring back employers like Sir Freddie, he knew what the travelling public wanted and looked after his crews. A lesson to todays managers who think they have been there and got the T shirt.
There will always be those who exploit and those like Ryanair, who tell it like it is and say "Take It or Leave It" those are our terms.
Can we please stop slagging off Ryanair or any other Low Cost for their practices.
You end up paying in the end by lower salaries, sometimes only reaching full F/O salary in year 5.
Some other companies offset their training risk by asking for the new pilot to put up a bond for training ahead of the course the onus is then on the new hire to achieve the required grade or lose the cost of training.
Selection is not 100% accurate and some do fall at the training hurdle.
There are no charities out there these days, so risk should be shared if not carried by the pilot undertaking the training. Its also motivating.
In answer to how much I paid in 1970/72 I did not miss off any zero's either in costs or salary, in those days a jet captain's salary averaged £12K to £15K. per annum.
You cant blame Ryanair for driving down salaries, it the current economics that drive down salaries, each bean counter wants to save money, so after fuel and aircraft leases how can they do that, simple hit salaries.
Share holders want dividends, increased overheads cant do that so your salary decays in real terms.
But Ryanair pay by results, i.e. you work you get paid
My terms and conditions were eroded long before Ryanair came on the scene in the strength they are today. And after 3 redundancies I would have worked for free to get back into the air, to keep my skills alive.
T & C's they are worse today than in the early 80's.
Bring back employers like Sir Freddie, he knew what the travelling public wanted and looked after his crews. A lesson to todays managers who think they have been there and got the T shirt.
There will always be those who exploit and those like Ryanair, who tell it like it is and say "Take It or Leave It" those are our terms.
Can we please stop slagging off Ryanair or any other Low Cost for their practices.
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Here we go again 
Why shouldn't this sort of thing be brought up?
It's being discussed and this is the sort of thing that should be in this forum, it's perfectly related.
It just happens to be the case that 80% of the negative comments are about Ryanair, and this is no coincidence judging by their little money making schemes like the one being discussed now.
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Ok,
This forum is related to gaining the first job, not for job hunting pilots with a few thousand hours or under current employment, if you actually read the Ryanair website the £50 charge is only for experianced 737 f/o's.
So technically if we are being really picky here its not in the right forum now is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This forum is related to gaining the first job, not for job hunting pilots with a few thousand hours or under current employment, if you actually read the Ryanair website the £50 charge is only for experianced 737 f/o's.
So technically if we are being really picky here its not in the right forum now is it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"it's pretty simple, just don't apply. Everyone is aware how they treat the customers and staff so if you don't want to be part of it, save yourself £50."
it 's pretty simple, just send your CV and don't pay the 50 quids...
but, this, guys, you haven't figure out that it is possible to send a CV without paying....
send you CV by thousand!!!
it 's pretty simple, just send your CV and don't pay the 50 quids...
but, this, guys, you haven't figure out that it is possible to send a CV without paying....
send you CV by thousand!!!
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Also worth mentioning that there are a few ways of having your CV considered by Ryanair without paying the £50....
It's not what you know, it's who you know (or who's E-mail address to be more precise)...
It's not what you know, it's who you know (or who's E-mail address to be more precise)...
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Not that i agree with £50 per CV or paying for your Type Rating
but no1 is forcing you to do so!
if you want to be a fool and pay it, pay it!
if you have brains then you wont!
send your cv in and tell them to shove the £50, they may let you throu on balls!
but no1 is forcing you to do so!
if you want to be a fool and pay it, pay it!
if you have brains then you wont!
send your cv in and tell them to shove the £50, they may let you throu on balls!
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adwjenk if what you say that the charge is only for experienced 737 f/os then is that not even more ridiculous? You would think that they would be very happy to hear from guys that have the type on their licence rather than put them off by imposing a 50 pound fee to view their cv.