Flybe and Atlantic Flight Training

[BHX86]

I understand that Flybe have a partnership with Atlantic Flight Training similar to some of the Integrated Schools whereby students are put forward for interview to Flybe by the FTO, in this case AFT.

Just wondering, to those of you who may have been put forward or are currently training at AFT:

• What are the requirements (if any) that need to be met by the student in order to be put forward for Flybe interview?

• How many students have been put forward since the agreement between AFT and BE was set up, and out of those how many have been recruited?

• What do BE look for in prospective pilots?

• What are the Terms and Conditions of working at Flybe as a cadet, what is the culture like, what is the deal with bonds (i.e. cost, who pays and how long bonded for etc), and what is their salary for low houred pilots?

Thanks in advance for your replys people!!

[Deano777]

No experience of AFT but if it's the same agreement with the scheme that my ex flying school has with them then it goes like this.

Requirements? you must have done all your training there, PPL through to IR, groundschool optional. Then you must have done well on all the courses, this would be at the discretion of the CFI I guess.
The scheme does not guarantee you a job, all it does is by-pass the application process putting you near the top of their HUGE pile. It's up to YOU to get the job once you get the interview.

My school are only allowed to recommend 5 per year, 5 per year are not going through.

What do they look for? a bit of generalization here but they must get the feeling they can sit next to you for 8hrs a day, so if you come across as arrogant, a know-all, a big head etc etc you won't get the job.

Terms & conditions working for flybe as a cadet are the same for every f/o there, if you're on the line you're on the line.
Bonds, flybe pay the bond, £13,000, this is a reducing bond over 3 years, you do the maths.
Salary for low houred pilot the same as any f/o joining, year 1 it is about £24,000.

Hope this helps

[FougaMagister]

Not quite. Atlantic Flight Training don't do integrated, so they don't require that you follow PPL til MCC with them before putting you forward to flybe. What they do require is ATPLs, CPL, ME/IR and MCC with them. I know, because having done my ATPLs elsewhere when AFT was only distance-learning, I didn't fit the requirements ; "just" CPL+IR there wasn't enough. flybe set the rules.

Nothing to do with being a flybe-sponsored cadet - it's just a way to "fast-track" your application provided you tick all the boxes. flybe don't foot the training bill and make no promises whatsoever. It's obviously also a promotional argument for AFT.

Incidentally, all details are on their website: http://www.flyaft.com/contentok.php?id=195

Cheers

[Deano777]

Nor is the training organisation I attended an integrated outfit, and the MCC isn't included in that list either.
I did say I didn't know the ruling on the AFT scheme, I was offering the scheme I did as a comparison, albeit slightly different, but then we knew it would be didn't we

Slightly different rules from flybe for the modular recommendation scheme, but basically the same concept.

[FougaMagister]

Sorry - my mistake; I thought AFT was the only modular FTO to be a flybe training partner. As you say, same concept, i.e. have someone else do part of the CV sorting for them.

I'm not bitter though; I got myself a better flying job

Cheers

[Adios]

AFT is not the only source of Modulars for FlyBe, just the only FTO on their list that is Modular only. I'm pretty sure FlyBe will take Modular grads from Cabair and Oxford, but I'm not sure the schools recommend many Modulars to them, so it may be a matter of battling the herds who apply online. If you want FlyBe and haven't started yet, perhaps FlyBe MAPS at FTE is the way to try first.

[shortleg]

I went to PAT at Bournemouth who now have a relationship with Flybe. After my training (CPL & IR only) I was recommended to Flybe and start next week.

[Deano777]

Originally Posted by Adios

AFT is not the only source of Modulars for FlyBe, just the only FTO on their list that is Modular only

Adios, you are wrong, Aeros Flight Training have the scheme too, because that's how I did it

[stranded81]

AFT didn't help us

Just thought I'd better reply to this one. Myself and a mate trained at AFT in Coventry and were suckered into this scheme. We got nothing out of it.

As far as we were concerned we met the requirements of the scheme; first time passes in your grounds, and flight tests plus a good review from the instructing staff etc. Which we did. But the deal appeared... well it did end as we finished our IRs.

I think about eight people in total got through originally. The last four to be recommended soured the deal as 3 of them failed at interview - ending the scheme for us. As far as I know none have been recommended since.

My mate and I have now spent over a year instructing, both with about 1000 hours each. It is only recently that I got into the hold pool for an airline and so did my mate. All without any help from Atlantic!

[Mercenary Pilot]

British European AKA Flybe have been screwing cadets/wanabees with these type of false promises and schemes for years through the likes of Scabair/Aft/OAT etc.

[Tango07]

I wouldn't expect aft to offer any kind of "after sales" service which one could expect from some integrated schools.

If you start with aft now, you'll be joining the back of a long queue of interview candidates in waiting.

[dartagnan]

one of their marketing techniqu to attrack students.
consist to make u belive u will get an airline job at the end of the training.
some trto was offering 100hours of line training after type rating, the condition was if you are good enough.

of course, pilots joined the course and none were good enough to start the line training.

so, don't trust these schools, for what they may offer you in the futur. Go in the school of your choice then apply in the airlines without tinking to much.

[yellowsubmarine]

HAHA! I have to admit this thread did make me chuckle!

If, by siome miracle, you manage to complete the training by retirement age with AFT, (although this in itself is an achievement) it will provide NO advantage whatsoever it trying to attain a job with Flybe.

YS

[stranded81]

It was to say the least fairly chaotic at aft.

As I said we got through okay, but I think just though shear determination!

I assume yellowsub that you've just finished there?

[OneIn60rule]

Biggles would say.

You should forget about Flybe via AFT.

If I recall correctly, around 2 years ago there was a HOLDING pool FOR the HOLDING POOL.

So even if you managed to somehow squeeze yourself in with say a bath tub full of lube and someone to push you in with a force equal to about a billion then just maybe you'd get there.

However, there's easier ways to land a job.

Get some experience in suction and good old arse wetting.

1/60

[Dihaz]

Quite the contrary,

I think AFT are a very good school for what it does.

AFT is a school for students who dont like the regimented and money grabbing attitude of other schools such as OAT, Scabair and CTC.

I did all my training at AFT zero to hero as its called somtimes. Despite some ups and downs which every school has I am overall quite happy with AFT. Only complaint is the after care of students, nevertheless I am being recommended by the CEO to Flybe (lets hope I get in). Flybe currently has 2 schemes with AFT

1. Other flybe cadets from outside AFT are sent there to train them on the JOC course and SOP's

2. Students from AFT are recommended to Flybe and subject to their screening processes which are you have to have done ATPL onwards training with them and psycological crieria which the CEO and your instructors will evaluate.

Working for Flybe is very good as ive heared from other Flybe pilots. Its like the BA or Virgin of the low fare airliners.

Obviously the above scheme is entirely dependant on you. If you get put forward and given the support to pass the interview but you dont then thats your problem.
I have also heared that Flybe had a typerating course this month and they didnt have enough pilots to fill them so they require many pilots.

AFT also has a recommendation scheme running with Air Southwest.

I have taken a lot of time to write all this info out so that people may be aware of the scheme!
PLEASE I DO NOT WANT A SLAGGING OR ANY ARGUMENTS OVER THIS MESSAGE.

CHEERS
GOD SPEED

[SYYHerring]

Have you thought about a 'real' sponsorship scheme, like Highland Airways?
SYY

[stranded81]

You are right atlantic did serve us well, a friendly place that got the job done.

I think we were victims of a unfortunate change in management at the time.

The fact remains the scheme did end, I can't say with any certainty about its reinstatement despite keeping in regular contact with aft. Perhaps my mate and myself have some major personality defects that precluded us from the scheme. Who knows.

Dihaz perhaps you have a better idea?

[sawaya]

for once i agree with you dartnagan.

[Mercenary Pilot]

Working for Flybe is very good as ive heared from other Flybe pilots. Its like the BA or Virgin of the low fare airliners.

I think not.