Randhem Aviation and the Jet Airways sponsorship
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Jet eyes stake in SpiceJet
P R Sanjai / Mumbai June 15, 2007
Investment bankers of the carriers to meet next week.
Barely two months after the Air Sahara acquisition, Jet Airways, the country’s largest private airline, is interested in SpiceJet, the Delhi-based budget carrier.
Investment bankers of the carriers to meet next week.
Barely two months after the Air Sahara acquisition, Jet Airways, the country’s largest private airline, is interested in SpiceJet, the Delhi-based budget carrier.
Jet operates over 340 daily flights to 50 destinations. SpiceJet operates over 83 daily flights in 14 cities, with 11 Boeing 737-800 aircraft like the ones Jet Airways uses.
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I dont think everyone has a contract,there are many people still waiting for contract.
What difference will it make anyway,if Randhem or Jet Airways decide to drop the deal,they can do it anyway whether we have a contract or not.Even if we get the 5000 euros back the damage is already made.
Anyone has any further news?
What difference will it make anyway,if Randhem or Jet Airways decide to drop the deal,they can do it anyway whether we have a contract or not.Even if we get the 5000 euros back the damage is already made.
Anyone has any further news?
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I'm starting to think its gone belly up..
Or a stalling exercise as they don't want us just yet. Clocks ticking. If Randhem don't sort something out, there gonna find themselves without any trainees soon.
They're still NOT telling us everything.. Why doesn't he copy us in on the emails from Jet A?? Are they hiding something?
Or a stalling exercise as they don't want us just yet. Clocks ticking. If Randhem don't sort something out, there gonna find themselves without any trainees soon.
They're still NOT telling us everything.. Why doesn't he copy us in on the emails from Jet A?? Are they hiding something?
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I m still hopeful,i dont think its going belly up.Ofcourse there is something hidden,thats a part in all business arrangements and they dont have to copy us in their emails,thats understandable.
What i dont understand is why they didnt make proper arrangements from the beginning,first take the contract for each one and the money for training (if that is the problem???) and then say to people they are given the job,invite them for training....its a lot more clear and simple like this for them and for us.
What i dont understand is why they didnt make proper arrangements from the beginning,first take the contract for each one and the money for training (if that is the problem???) and then say to people they are given the job,invite them for training....its a lot more clear and simple like this for them and for us.
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Patience is a virtue...
Dealing with any matter likes this takes time.. just depends on the competence of the people sorting it out.... and this delay says a lot...
Dealing with any matter likes this takes time.. just depends on the competence of the people sorting it out.... and this delay says a lot...
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Well patience is running out. I for one have got loans to repay, and would like to get on with my life.
I hope Randhem can see this and will tell us the fully story!
I hope Randhem can see this and will tell us the fully story!
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I think the most disappointing aspect of Randhem Aviations conduct is the way they fail to pass on any reasonable information. I've had 2 emails from them which bear no real information. I used to get phone calls from them before I paid up my 5000 Euros. I don't anymore.
Most if not all of the 'Randhem 50' will have resigned and will have loans to repay. I for one can probably secure another job with some effort but without any knowledge of when or even IF this will go ahead it's impossible to plan. It would be irresponsible and arguably foolish of me to commit to a new employer if I then get the go-ahead to start the 737 training. I don't want to blacken my own name in what is after all a small industry where reputations count for a lot.
With respect to Randhem Aviation, surely it's a matter of common courtesy and professionalism to keep us (their customers) informed of the current status of this issue. It's free to send an e-mail to all concerned simply detailing what (if anything) is being done to resolve the issue. For all I know they've done nothing and have no intentions of doing anything either.
This silence is frankly rude and discourteous, reflecting very poorly on Randhem as a company. It wouldn't take much to show some professionalism and honour.
Most if not all of the 'Randhem 50' will have resigned and will have loans to repay. I for one can probably secure another job with some effort but without any knowledge of when or even IF this will go ahead it's impossible to plan. It would be irresponsible and arguably foolish of me to commit to a new employer if I then get the go-ahead to start the 737 training. I don't want to blacken my own name in what is after all a small industry where reputations count for a lot.
With respect to Randhem Aviation, surely it's a matter of common courtesy and professionalism to keep us (their customers) informed of the current status of this issue. It's free to send an e-mail to all concerned simply detailing what (if anything) is being done to resolve the issue. For all I know they've done nothing and have no intentions of doing anything either.
This silence is frankly rude and discourteous, reflecting very poorly on Randhem as a company. It wouldn't take much to show some professionalism and honour.
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By the way, if you need any information, you can go to 'Randhem Aviation' Hall 6 / C4 stand at Paris Air Show in Le Bourget.
They are promoting their business there.
If anyone is living or going to the area, it might worth the walk...
They are promoting their business there.
If anyone is living or going to the area, it might worth the walk...
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One of my close friends spoke to one of the JA to managers to clarify the situation.
Here is the real story:
Now, from what I know, Randhem still owes $600.000 to Panam.
Where is the money???
Here is the real story:
- Jet have paid the 1/2 million US and still no sign or light of pilots, Randhem want more money for the next batches, but they have said no more money until they see the first batches of guys, as they dont know what type of quality of pilots they are going to be provided with... ( i mean fair enough!!! They havent even had any training reports or updates on training status etc. )
- Randhem still havent paid them the deposits they are expecting... they never answer calls or emails, hence avoiding the situation! ( this means its total BS about them saying they only get the contracts after the deposits.. as they havent even paid them yet!)
- There is going to be a meeting and was due to be a meeting this week but delayed till next week. ( Randhem and their tricks again! )
- He was so apologetic about the whole situation and wishes that it could be sorted out sooner...
- They havent called off any training, it was randhem!
- Jet wants the pilots asap, considering the investment already paid out.. (and want to be informed if any of the guys pay off their TR..) as Randhem might be keeping the money and not declaring it to Jet!
- he said sit back and wait for the outcome.. they need the pilots.. just randhem have to show some goods before the expect more investment..
- .. its not our jobs ( as paying clients to Randhem... ) to go and do their dirty work... they are the service provider and shouldnt be sending us emails.. they seemed like they were only trying to get the heat of their backs and gain time!
- Randhem still havent paid them the deposits they are expecting... they never answer calls or emails, hence avoiding the situation! ( this means its total BS about them saying they only get the contracts after the deposits.. as they havent even paid them yet!)
- There is going to be a meeting and was due to be a meeting this week but delayed till next week. ( Randhem and their tricks again! )
- He was so apologetic about the whole situation and wishes that it could be sorted out sooner...
- They havent called off any training, it was randhem!
- Jet wants the pilots asap, considering the investment already paid out.. (and want to be informed if any of the guys pay off their TR..) as Randhem might be keeping the money and not declaring it to Jet!
- he said sit back and wait for the outcome.. they need the pilots.. just randhem have to show some goods before the expect more investment..
- .. its not our jobs ( as paying clients to Randhem... ) to go and do their dirty work... they are the service provider and shouldnt be sending us emails.. they seemed like they were only trying to get the heat of their backs and gain time!
Where is the money???
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if I where you, I would wait and se a bit. Don`t beleve everything you hear from jet either. I was on a sim evaluation and went on the written promise that they reemburse the flight ticket. Not happend yet and this was more than 6 month ago. And from what I know of Indian business from close friends, this is nothing new. In this case it is only the facts witch will tell the trouth. Worse case, it goes to court....... And everybody looses....
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To Mr Randhem!
For how long would you like to be without salery?
Did you know that pilots and there girlfriends/wifes has resigned from there jobs for this contract?
Some have sold there houses!!
Do you care?!?!
The contract shuld be valid from the first day in Miami or pilots shuld start to get payed.
I know it is easy to blame Jet Airways, but if you, Mr Ranhem didn't flew full time parallel to your own company this deal would be completed by now don't you think. For you it's just money but for the pilots it is so much more than that!
Did you know that pilots and there girlfriends/wifes has resigned from there jobs for this contract?
Some have sold there houses!!
Do you care?!?!
The contract shuld be valid from the first day in Miami or pilots shuld start to get payed.
I know it is easy to blame Jet Airways, but if you, Mr Ranhem didn't flew full time parallel to your own company this deal would be completed by now don't you think. For you it's just money but for the pilots it is so much more than that!
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I have talked to him sevelar times and you are right he is reasonable and fair, when he talkes.
For your information that is his job. But the fact is that nothing happens. If you find it bitching to tell how some are in really truble because of randehem aviation that is your problem.
For your information that is his job. But the fact is that nothing happens. If you find it bitching to tell how some are in really truble because of randehem aviation that is your problem.
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wifes and girlfriends giving up jobs....??? first lesson : never take any thing for granted! Selling a house when you havent even moved to India or maybe not even started training?? ermm isnt that getting ahread of the boat!??
To be honest... my opinion.. start job hunting.. thats what I m doing.. if you havent already been fully trained by randhem and signed the contract dont keep your hopes up too high....
Mr randhem is a business men.. he is thinking if making money and doesnt care how many lives he screws up in the mean time!
even if you have paid your deposit they of course are going to hold us off as long as possible to gain interest on it... LOGIC!
To be honest... my opinion.. start job hunting.. thats what I m doing.. if you havent already been fully trained by randhem and signed the contract dont keep your hopes up too high....
Mr randhem is a business men.. he is thinking if making money and doesnt care how many lives he screws up in the mean time!
even if you have paid your deposit they of course are going to hold us off as long as possible to gain interest on it... LOGIC!
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To all pilots that seem to prefer this forum instead of calling us.
I never posted anything on this forum before but I now see it might be a good idea. I have a training company where we deliver a service to an airline. Its unfortunate that the person coming in between in any conflict of interest is the pilot. For those wifes, girl friends etc that writes here, yes we do care but ofcourse it is not us that has contracted the pilots, we are the ones responsible to deliver the training and not the salary etc.
I suggest that anyone that has a problem of understanding the problematics or has any other concern and do feel that you dont have any answer, please feel free to contact me directly and I will clear any question for you. I will not disclose any contract details, payments etc between us and our client. the person using my name in an email address above should not either disclose any information given by a client. It might be that the information is not absolutely correct and therefor beeing subject to several missunderstandings etc. We have been in the business for quite some time now and have a very serious partner, our training center. We deliver a service and a product and we do intend to do so for a very long time. Remember, there are always two sides of a story.
For any inquiries, please contact me, M. Randhem, CEO Randhem Aviation, [email protected] or phone: +46 733 28 45 44.
I never posted anything on this forum before but I now see it might be a good idea. I have a training company where we deliver a service to an airline. Its unfortunate that the person coming in between in any conflict of interest is the pilot. For those wifes, girl friends etc that writes here, yes we do care but ofcourse it is not us that has contracted the pilots, we are the ones responsible to deliver the training and not the salary etc.
I suggest that anyone that has a problem of understanding the problematics or has any other concern and do feel that you dont have any answer, please feel free to contact me directly and I will clear any question for you. I will not disclose any contract details, payments etc between us and our client. the person using my name in an email address above should not either disclose any information given by a client. It might be that the information is not absolutely correct and therefor beeing subject to several missunderstandings etc. We have been in the business for quite some time now and have a very serious partner, our training center. We deliver a service and a product and we do intend to do so for a very long time. Remember, there are always two sides of a story.
For any inquiries, please contact me, M. Randhem, CEO Randhem Aviation, [email protected] or phone: +46 733 28 45 44.
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Whoever defaults the contract is not our business,we are in the unfortunate situation to be involved in this mess,every single day that goes by is a day without salary for most of us.
I heard they will have a meeting this week in India,hopefully it will be solved.
Anyone has any news or got a date for training?
I heard they will have a meeting this week in India,hopefully it will be solved.
Anyone has any news or got a date for training?
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I have read your message.
As far as I'm concerned, I do not represent a group of 100 pilots since 100 pilots are not involved in the problem yet.
On the other hand, we are only few people who have been trained already, the others haven't put money down yet.
You said a great sentence:
" So the question is do Jet want these 100 pilots this year or not"
Well, latest information from India says that many of the indian 37 pilots who were supposed to go on the long haul fleet can not get the upgrade since the FAA and CAA Canada, require them to have 1000 jet lendings.
So, JA now has too many 37 pilots.
That's for the little story.
Now, as far as Randhem is concerned, $600k gives you about 25 type ratings + line trainings.
With a rythm of 8/mo, it covers 3 months.
That's the duration our training was supposed to last.
You get enough money for a first turnover, until the first guys go to India.
I do not represent 100 pilots, I just talk for a group of friends, who for now, all share the same taste, of being deeply fu**ed !
Thank you for your sympathy!
As far as I'm concerned, I do not represent a group of 100 pilots since 100 pilots are not involved in the problem yet.
On the other hand, we are only few people who have been trained already, the others haven't put money down yet.
You said a great sentence:
" So the question is do Jet want these 100 pilots this year or not"
Well, latest information from India says that many of the indian 37 pilots who were supposed to go on the long haul fleet can not get the upgrade since the FAA and CAA Canada, require them to have 1000 jet lendings.
So, JA now has too many 37 pilots.
That's for the little story.
Now, as far as Randhem is concerned, $600k gives you about 25 type ratings + line trainings.
With a rythm of 8/mo, it covers 3 months.
That's the duration our training was supposed to last.
You get enough money for a first turnover, until the first guys go to India.
I do not represent 100 pilots, I just talk for a group of friends, who for now, all share the same taste, of being deeply fu**ed !
Thank you for your sympathy!
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By the way, it's "randhem-pilotS" and not "randhem-pilot", you forgot an S!
I dont see why I would change our user name. Our group represents more than 1/2 of the screwed pilots, (and the number's increasing) and where WE live, we are kind of used to, Democraty!
All of us are attached to the same mailing list and email address in order to talk directly with Jet Airways, Randhem and Panam.
So, "Randhem-Pilots" is not a "I" but a "WE".
We are ALL in the same boat, with no more money, families to feed and no more job.
I dont see why I would change our user name. Our group represents more than 1/2 of the screwed pilots, (and the number's increasing) and where WE live, we are kind of used to, Democraty!
All of us are attached to the same mailing list and email address in order to talk directly with Jet Airways, Randhem and Panam.
So, "Randhem-Pilots" is not a "I" but a "WE".
We are ALL in the same boat, with no more money, families to feed and no more job.
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just a word
Gentlemen
Just some pointers from my experience over the years.
Rule No 1. In the aviation industry. Do not believe anything until you actually sit in the left or right seat flying……
Rule No 2. Always have a backup plan. Absolutely nothing is given to you for free or out of kindnes in this industry……
The list could og on and on and on……. but gents… You are your own master and commanders. Sit put and wait, or get on with your lives….
Hard naked and realistic facts……..
Just some pointers from my experience over the years.
Rule No 1. In the aviation industry. Do not believe anything until you actually sit in the left or right seat flying……
Rule No 2. Always have a backup plan. Absolutely nothing is given to you for free or out of kindnes in this industry……
The list could og on and on and on……. but gents… You are your own master and commanders. Sit put and wait, or get on with your lives….
Hard naked and realistic facts……..
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Without any comment, here is the official information from Randhem. (cf. their website)
July 2007
Pilot training Jet Airways
There were some contractual misunderstandings which lead to a short interruption in the pilots training. Pilots already obtained the type rating will continue the training and the first set of crews will be starting their contract for Jet Airways in August. Candidates who not yet started the simulator training will have to wait until Jet Airways can give further approval.
"Randhem-PilotS" group raised up questions and by insisting on a daily basis to get them, using all the possibilities we had (phone, email, face to face) with Randhem and Jet Airways top managment, we have got them.
Even though we won't have the conditions initially promised by Randhem, our major concern was to have answers and be able to look at the scenario we are going to.
The first 25 pilots who have started the simulator training, will go all the way, and the contract will be respected.
For the other 35 pilots who have been given a start date, everything is on hold until AT LEAST all the first 25 get to India.
As said in one of our prior posts, Jet Airways has TOO MANY B737 f/o's now, so the extra pilots will probably go to fly at the ex-called Air Sahara, or Jet Lite now.
July 2007
Pilot training Jet Airways
There were some contractual misunderstandings which lead to a short interruption in the pilots training. Pilots already obtained the type rating will continue the training and the first set of crews will be starting their contract for Jet Airways in August. Candidates who not yet started the simulator training will have to wait until Jet Airways can give further approval.
Even though we won't have the conditions initially promised by Randhem, our major concern was to have answers and be able to look at the scenario we are going to.
The first 25 pilots who have started the simulator training, will go all the way, and the contract will be respected.
For the other 35 pilots who have been given a start date, everything is on hold until AT LEAST all the first 25 get to India.
As said in one of our prior posts, Jet Airways has TOO MANY B737 f/o's now, so the extra pilots will probably go to fly at the ex-called Air Sahara, or Jet Lite now.