The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
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@pilotrosa fair enough, but I'm still not seeing what hidden costs there are.
You can't exactly class food as a hidden cost just because it's not included in the course price. It's not like you start training and suddenly think "Oh sh*t I need to eat"
These are things that fall outside of the course cost and need to be budgeted for but are not hidden in any way.
You can't exactly class food as a hidden cost just because it's not included in the course price. It's not like you start training and suddenly think "Oh sh*t I need to eat"
These are things that fall outside of the course cost and need to be budgeted for but are not hidden in any way.
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Funding required
I found from the CTC cadet website that the funding required are:
1) Selection fee (192£)
2) Security bond (69,00£)
3) Foundation course (approximately 9,800£)
4) JAA class 1 medical fee (340£)
5) Insurance (approximately 1030£)
Finally the Type rating cost, depending on which airline. And obviously the living expenses. Hopefully the security bond and the foundation course include vat, they didn't reply to me when I asked that.
Does anyone on the course know if there are any additional costs?
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1) Selection fee (192£)
2) Security bond (69,00£)
3) Foundation course (approximately 9,800£)
4) JAA class 1 medical fee (340£)
5) Insurance (approximately 1030£)
Finally the Type rating cost, depending on which airline. And obviously the living expenses. Hopefully the security bond and the foundation course include vat, they didn't reply to me when I asked that.
Does anyone on the course know if there are any additional costs?
Thanks
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Does anyone on the course know if there are any additional costs?
You don't pay any VAT on the £69,000 because it is a 'bond' and not a 'fee'. The cost of the foundation course is including VAT - no hidden extras there, but it will vary by a few hundred pounds every time the £/$ exchange rate wobbles as the foundation phase is paid for in NZ dollars. Make sure you consider this when budgeting for NZ - it's really not cheap to live out here at the moment!
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Thank you very much!!
Is it true that if you want to fly more than the fixed 180 flight hours you can do it?
I read this on the website: Reasonable costs of additional training at the discretion
of the Head of Training (HoT).
If you're not ready for the skills test you can do more hours without paying, is that right?
Is it true that if you want to fly more than the fixed 180 flight hours you can do it?
I read this on the website: Reasonable costs of additional training at the discretion
of the Head of Training (HoT).
If you're not ready for the skills test you can do more hours without paying, is that right?
If you're not ready for the skills test you can do more hours without paying, is that right?
If you struggle and need to repeat syllabus flights then expect to be charged $$$$. I was fortunate and never had to repeat training flights but a few on my course did and ran up rather large bills which had to be cleared before moving on to the next stage of the training.
Other reasonable additional costs include transportation in NZ and the CAA licence issue fee as mentioned in earlier posts.
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I tried to find out how much they charge for additional hours on the DA42 but I didn't find anything on their website. I think it's around 350 £/hour though.
Are the examiners from CTC or they came from outside? For example at OAA all the examiners are based in Oxford, and one of my friend told me that this is very helpful because you don't have to wait for the skills test.
Are the examiners from CTC or they came from outside? For example at OAA all the examiners are based in Oxford, and one of my friend told me that this is very helpful because you don't have to wait for the skills test.
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It may have changed since my time but there was a provision for you to repeat some lessons at certain stages of the course, but that could well have been done away with.
As for the examiners, in NZ all examiners are in house. In Bournemouth for CPL/IR they are based at the airfield, not far from CTC and aren't exclusively CTC examiners but there was never any long waits for a skills test. Again that was a while back.
As for the examiners, in NZ all examiners are in house. In Bournemouth for CPL/IR they are based at the airfield, not far from CTC and aren't exclusively CTC examiners but there was never any long waits for a skills test. Again that was a while back.
Attending an open day is the worst way to view a flight school. Turn up on a normal day and get talking to the students who haven't been picked by the school management to deal with PR.
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future-pilot - you may find it difficult to get any extra time on the DA42 unless you need it on a remedial basis. If you need remedial lessons before your CPL test, there is some flexibility as far as I'm aware and you probably won't have to pay for any extra. However, instructor / aircraft availability and scheduling are probably the limiting factors here. Extra time on the DA42 won't be advertised on the website because you don't need it as far as CTC are concerned - the idea is to get you through your CPL in the minimum number of hours required, so that you can head back to the UK and get stuck straight into your IR training.
student88 - nobody was 'picked' to help out at the open day when i was at Nursling a few months back - it's a voluntary thing, I volunteered because I wanted to play on the simulators. There's definitely no incentive for us to make CTC out to be something it isn't. It's worth heading to the open day to see the facilities and talk to the cadets who are all either in ground school, or have just returned from NZ.
student88 - nobody was 'picked' to help out at the open day when i was at Nursling a few months back - it's a voluntary thing, I volunteered because I wanted to play on the simulators. There's definitely no incentive for us to make CTC out to be something it isn't. It's worth heading to the open day to see the facilities and talk to the cadets who are all either in ground school, or have just returned from NZ.
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Mister-Proach, The problem is that if I don't pass the CPL or IR skills test I do have to re-take some flights and then pay the skills tests. That's not all, if I fail a skill test, after graduation it's very hard to find a job with an airline! This is what's bothering me in this moment, so I've to be sure about everything.
Thanks for all the useful information
Thanks for all the useful information
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"Those taking type rating courses from about April onwards this year were doing so aware that they were only going to be flying for the summer and weren't being kept on over winter"
And what will they do after?
As I said
The Greatest Social Dumping Scheme Ever.
What will the others do , you know the ones who are not "aware", when they get rostered for 20h or less over winter. I've seen it in the past.
The whole thing is rotten.
BALPA, what bunch of jokers
And what will they do after?
As I said
The Greatest Social Dumping Scheme Ever.
What will the others do , you know the ones who are not "aware", when they get rostered for 20h or less over winter. I've seen it in the past.
The whole thing is rotten.
BALPA, what bunch of jokers
Why do you guys persist with the " dream"?
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There's a thing called winter hours protection where flexi crew are guaranteed a minimum of 35 hours pay in a month. It's split into two 3 month periods and at the end of each if you had a month where you didn't have 35 scheduled hours you get a top up payment. So it does cost them something to not fly them.
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how many on everage from each class end up without a job at the end of it all? i guess i need to look into more as its alot of money to be paying back after if i have no job